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HETEP,
1). Ra Un Nefer doesn't trace his tradition to the people of Ta-Merri.
Here, you need to be more clear. Are you saying that the Elders about which you speak are Ta-Merrian?
Like I said in an earlier post, he studied Ifa and Hinduism and made a combination system and applied it to "what is known" about Ta-Merrian spirituality.
And this statement, you are basing on a statement he personally made?
2). This is how we know he wasn't in contact with the brothers in the [/FONT]Nile Valley. The main reason they are "underground" NOW, as the priests say, is because Km.t was a mistake. Their knowledge and "showing" off is what got them in trouble. They said they won't make that mistake again.
If this is the case, then where can I find, for example, a statement from Dr. Ben to that effect? Where can I go to undergo the initiation which you've mentioned?
Any teachers of the African spiritual systems of Ta-Merry were initiated on the continent, and given persmission to teach the "minimal" things here. Such teachers are Dr. Ben, Dr. Buseki Fu-Kiau, Naba Lamoussa Morodenibig, Dr. Malidoma Some, to name a few, and others you will NEVER hear of.
Clarify for me, because I haven't read his works in quite some time. When and where was Dr. Ben initiated, and how long before this had he been teaching on the subject of KMT?
Where does the above question, about a statement mirroring that of Dr. Ben's, fit into the above?
Ra Un Nefer is an Ifa priest.
I'm not sure about the historicity of that comment. Can you name a source for this claim?
These same references are missing in Ra Un Nefers work as well. How he even pronounces the names of the Ntr's are wrong. The same with the "Hekaus." Anyone studying the above mentioned systems will recognize what I'm talking about.
Can you give examples of the correct pronunciation of the names of the Neteru, and also, of the Hekau?
To say that he is the ONLY person outside of Africa who is bringing "authentic" Kemetic spirituality is bull.
Who made this claim in specific?
If you are talking about being initiated in a system from East Africa, you have to go visit the priests there: there are no exceptions. They only take people in every 5 or 6 years. This is why people study Ifa, The Obosom system and Vodun, because you can get some of the teachings earlier than you can in the system still present in the Nile Valley. They STILL practice it like it was done before and it is a 40 years system.
Where can you go for the above-mentioned initiation? Have you been initiated for 40 years in one of these systems?
3). Yes RUNA's books were aimed at the masses.
Pardon my incredulity. We'll have to agree to disagree on that point.
He attempts to explain phenomena through his books which are reserved for initiation.
I don't understand your syntax here. Are you saying that the "phenomena" themselves are reserved for initiation, or just the explanation about the phenomena?
His work is good for comparative studies. But to get the gist of what Ta-Merrian spirituality is, you need to study human anatomy, herbology, geology, and astronomy. If you don't know what body parts Heru, Het-Heru, Djehuti, etc. are, you are missing the boat. The crown of upper Egypt is oxygen. The red crown of lower Egypt is blood. The story of the "Sma Twi" is an allegory of how important the fusion of oxygen with blood is critical for the breathing process. Health is what's hidden in the stories. If you start to understand the little I've exposed, then you'll begin to understand what is going on in Kmt. You can't get that in a book.
Do you mind my asking where you got it from?
HETEP.
1). Ra Un Nefer doesn't trace his tradition to the people of Ta-Merri.
Here, you need to be more clear. Are you saying that the Elders about which you speak are Ta-Merrian?
Like I said in an earlier post, he studied Ifa and Hinduism and made a combination system and applied it to "what is known" about Ta-Merrian spirituality.
And this statement, you are basing on a statement he personally made?
2). This is how we know he wasn't in contact with the brothers in the [/FONT]Nile Valley. The main reason they are "underground" NOW, as the priests say, is because Km.t was a mistake. Their knowledge and "showing" off is what got them in trouble. They said they won't make that mistake again.
If this is the case, then where can I find, for example, a statement from Dr. Ben to that effect? Where can I go to undergo the initiation which you've mentioned?
Any teachers of the African spiritual systems of Ta-Merry were initiated on the continent, and given persmission to teach the "minimal" things here. Such teachers are Dr. Ben, Dr. Buseki Fu-Kiau, Naba Lamoussa Morodenibig, Dr. Malidoma Some, to name a few, and others you will NEVER hear of.
Clarify for me, because I haven't read his works in quite some time. When and where was Dr. Ben initiated, and how long before this had he been teaching on the subject of KMT?
Where does the above question, about a statement mirroring that of Dr. Ben's, fit into the above?
Ra Un Nefer is an Ifa priest.
I'm not sure about the historicity of that comment. Can you name a source for this claim?
These same references are missing in Ra Un Nefers work as well. How he even pronounces the names of the Ntr's are wrong. The same with the "Hekaus." Anyone studying the above mentioned systems will recognize what I'm talking about.
Can you give examples of the correct pronunciation of the names of the Neteru, and also, of the Hekau?
To say that he is the ONLY person outside of Africa who is bringing "authentic" Kemetic spirituality is bull.
Who made this claim in specific?
If you are talking about being initiated in a system from East Africa, you have to go visit the priests there: there are no exceptions. They only take people in every 5 or 6 years. This is why people study Ifa, The Obosom system and Vodun, because you can get some of the teachings earlier than you can in the system still present in the Nile Valley. They STILL practice it like it was done before and it is a 40 years system.
Where can you go for the above-mentioned initiation? Have you been initiated for 40 years in one of these systems?
3). Yes RUNA's books were aimed at the masses.
Pardon my incredulity. We'll have to agree to disagree on that point.
He attempts to explain phenomena through his books which are reserved for initiation.
I don't understand your syntax here. Are you saying that the "phenomena" themselves are reserved for initiation, or just the explanation about the phenomena?
His work is good for comparative studies. But to get the gist of what Ta-Merrian spirituality is, you need to study human anatomy, herbology, geology, and astronomy. If you don't know what body parts Heru, Het-Heru, Djehuti, etc. are, you are missing the boat. The crown of upper Egypt is oxygen. The red crown of lower Egypt is blood. The story of the "Sma Twi" is an allegory of how important the fusion of oxygen with blood is critical for the breathing process. Health is what's hidden in the stories. If you start to understand the little I've exposed, then you'll begin to understand what is going on in Kmt. You can't get that in a book.
Do you mind my asking where you got it from?
HETEP.
