Black People : Bill Cosby adding salt to wounded black New Orlean Katrina victims

[Isaiah]

We hear these black leaders and celebrities voicing poignant messages but are we really listening to the message? It's easy for multimillionaires and politicians to say don't do drugs or stop killing each other or be more sexually responsible but are they targeting the vehicles that glory the instruments of our downward spiral? The weapon of choice for mind control is television. We want to be what we see on TV. So why don't these millionaires and politicians of ours force these networks to change the images of us? If you notice all the major black entertainer (ie. rapper and athletes) have ventured into the fashion industry. Some like have come out with a line of formal and business apparel besides their urban wear. This is not a bad thing but we needed to be the first to do so. The citizens of New Orleans need to shoulder the responsibility for recreating crime free communities within the city. This will only happen when people change. The charge for change must be lead from within the community by people of that community out of touch millionaires and politicians. The message is an excellent message but it need to come from a more grass roots messenger...


Peace.........

Brother Radical, yes, we do need change, but there must be leadership that augurs in that change by building the necessary institutions that will TEACH us that change is necessary in the first place, and perpetuate it after that lesson is learned... Talk is cheap... It is easy to point out the obvious - that African people have problems... Money talks, and other stuff walks... Bill has the money, and so does his famous colleagues, and all they do is TALK...

Some say - myself included - that these folks aren't obligated to help Black people... Well, then, they are obligated by default to keep their mouths shut about anything that goes on in - to use Cosby's phrase - the "lower economic class..." Mind your own business, Bill... Go hold a freakin' cocktail party with your Upper-Economic friends, and talk your denigrating, dehumanizing class hatreds among THEM, not us... We - in case you hadn't noticed it, Big Bill - have been subjected to the same kind of denigrating rhetoric from your white masters for centuries, and you used to know that when you were just a struggling comedian outta Philly... Now, they dressed you up in their dollars, gave you some funky Cuban cigars and a sweat suit with Temple written on the back, and you spew out an even funkier opprobrium on the peops you left behind... Go look in your mirror, Bill, there'll be a sell-out Knee-grow lookin' back at'cha... Talk to him, because HE needs your rhetoric worse than we do...

Peace!
Isaiah

 

[Isaiah]

I hope the same thing Bill does...not sure if he's the cat that should say it but regardless he did.........I said the same thing on a thread here a while back.........for yall that don't know N.O. was BUCK......N.O. Police ....BUCK .....now it's true that a lot of folk that lived down there didn't have the financial ability to move but the thing is a whole lot of folk got to move through the evacuation process and some are making the most of their chance to get up......I've talked to many folks that I know from N.O. and most of them are looking at this like it's a positive man so many of them boys have been wanting to get out for the longest and couldn't and now they got that chance.......most of my folks down there say they ain't never going back cept to visit my uncle and some of my cuzzo's are rebuilding but some of my other cousins and their homeboys are out here in CA now making happen........maybe I'm cold but I look at it like this........that storm his in sept....it's now april and folk still crying and moanin bout this and that standing round waiting for somebody to look out fo em......ain't gon happen the ones that can need to get after it ........I had family affected from N.O. , Gulfport,Biloxi, Hattiesburg , Lumberton, Purvis, and Picayune.......they're all either rebuilding or have cashed out and are making it happen somewhere else.........the lower 9th backs up against the levee and I know that yeah some could rebuild and at first I was all for it but when I think about it I'd probably cash out myself and start over because flooding ain't gon stop its a part of life down there....hurricanes same thing and if you standing in your yard looking up at water held in by earthen levees that ain't good in any way shape or form ......I'd be on the outs..........
it's just a trip to me because everybody acting like they shocked everybody knew something like this would happen at one point or another everybody.....

folk act shocked when they hear N.O. pd is kicking arse , they've been one of the most consistently corrupt and violent police forces in America for years both Black and white officers and whatever other nationalities they got in there now...and everybody down there knows it........

Surprised that the govt of N.O. and Louisiana is corrupt and funneling money elsewhere while trying to cover it up......nah....no surprise corruption in Southern govt is as old as Southern govt............the issue is that now all of a sudden........remember now I told yall that Southern society is a closed society...yall only see what we want yall to see.........but now all the folk that thought N.O. was all about a good time, mardi gras,canal street , bourbon street, emeril, good food, Southern Hospitality and all that bull are seeing the real face under the mask............and they're shocked......while we that are from that general area are just looking at this like .......so what's new............

So in my opinion I don't have a problem with what old boy said.......I'm personally tired of some of them folk that 7 months after still ain't working or even trying ......at least put in some effort ........anyway that's my 2 cent on it........



Red

Brother Sip, the difference between you and Bill is like night and day... YOU can talk, because your have experienced the Gulf Coast like neither Bill Cosby nor I have... The difference between myself and Bill is that I would not DARE challenge the reality of your experience, because it reigns supreme over opinion I could possibly render... Bill acts like he is GOD since white folks started praising him to the high heavens, man... Crack corns gave him their blessings, their decrees, and he done gone freakin' buck wild, diarrhea of the lips... Thats' whats got folks in tizzy about what he's saying, not the content, per se...

Peace!
Isaiah

 

[Radical Faith]

Brother Radical, yes, we do need change, but there must be leadership that augurs in that change by building the necessary institutions that will TEACH us that change is necessary in the first place, and perpetuate it after that lesson is learned... Talk is cheap... It is easy to point out the obvious - that African people have problems... Money talks, and other stuff walks... Bill has the money, and so does his famous colleagues, and all they do is TALK...

Some say - myself included - that these folks aren't obligated to help Black people... Well, then, they are obligated by default to keep their mouths shut about anything that goes on in - to use Cosby's phrase - the "lower economic class..." Mind your own business, Bill... Go hold a freakin' cocktail party with your Upper-Economic friends, and talk your denigrating, dehumanizing class hatreds among THEM, not us... We - in case you hadn't noticed it, Big Bill - have been subjected to the same kind of denigrating rhetoric from your white masters for centuries, and you used to know that when you were just a struggling comedian outta Philly... Now, they dressed you up in their dollars, gave you some funky Cuban cigars and a sweat suit with Temple written on the back, and you spew out an even funkier opprobrium on the peops you left behind... Go look in your mirror, Bill, there'll be a sell-out Knee-grow lookin' back at'cha... Talk to him, because HE needs your rhetoric worse than we do...

Peace!
Isaiah

I agree brother. I guess what I'm trying to say is instead of our celebrity leaders making statement about what should and should not happen in communities that they are no longer a part of, communities need leaders from within the community that care more about the welfare of the community rather than being heard and plastered on TV. We must stop relying on people outside of the community black or white to think for the community. New Orleans will be rebuilt but some things need to remain out of the picture. It can no longer be acceptable that drugs and gang violence and lewd behaviour are a part of the territory when it comes to black communities. I like Bill Cosby but here lately he's been the focus of some controversy. Even at he wasn't instead of talking about change why not be about change? I'm sure Bill will aid and has aided in the reconstruction effort on New Orleans, if not then shame on him for running his mouth a not doing anything to help the situation. Also if your going help then help. People don't need to be lectured to and made to feel like "ya'll gone hear what I gotta say first" before they receive help. That all brother..

Peace.....

 

[uplift19]

...communities need leaders from within the community that care more about the welfare of the community rather than being heard and plastered on TV.

I agree. I think "celebrity leader" is an oxymoron.

People don't need to be lectured to and made to feel like "ya'll gone hear what I gotta say first" before they receive help.

Which is why these so-called "faith-based initiatives" should be stopped. (which is really a church program since no non-Christian groups have received funding )This is really another way for churches (who already don't pay taxes but receive government services) to get our tax dollars to preach to people. If I want a house rebuilt because I'm homeless or food because I'm hungry, I shouldn't have to listen to a sermon first.

 

[Isaiah]

I agree brother. I guess what I'm trying to say is instead of our celebrity leaders making statement about what should and should not happen in communities that they are no longer a part of, communities need leaders from within the community that care more about the welfare of the community rather than being heard and plastered on TV. We must stop relying on people outside of the community black or white to think for the community. New Orleans will be rebuilt but some things need to remain out of the picture. It can no longer be acceptable that drugs and gang violence and lewd behaviour are a part of the territory when it comes to black communities. I like Bill Cosby but here lately he's been the focus of some controversy. Even at he wasn't instead of talking about change why not be about change? I'm sure Bill will aid and has aided in the reconstruction effort on New Orleans, if not then shame on him for running his mouth a not doing anything to help the situation. Also if your going help then help. People don't need to be lectured to and made to feel like "ya'll gone hear what I gotta say first" before they receive help. That all brother..

Peace.....

Yes, brother, total agreement!

Peace!
Isaiah