Pan-Africanism : Africa and Black America: How Differ and Why

[Moko_Ananci]

I just made contact with The African Community in Japan! I think they are eager to connect with the African Nation. They could prove to be a very valuable link when it comes to future development because I think the future will involve expanded relations with all of the countries of Asia. This is due to the inherent racism and imperialism that we continue to encounter in the Atlantic Powers. Plus, Japan is a resource poor country. They need African resources, especially oil. There's got to be a way!

Check them out at blacktokyo.com.

That may be so but you might want to pause for a moment and consider the fact that when it comes to anti-African racism, Japan ranks right up there with the West and the Arabs, albeit not as well known or displayed. In fact across the Asian continent there have been quite a bit of racist attitudes for a while now. But, like the West, all most of them see in Africa is a place that have resources they need for their own survival, the well being and economic/political resurgence of Africans itself is a totally different matter. Maybe you need to ask the African/Afri-Caribbean people domiciled in Japan a few detailed questions about racial attitudes towards blacks in Japan.

Remember what Dr John Henrik Clarke used to say "you (the African) had no friends then, you have no friends now, if you want one, go look in the mirror"

 

[abdurratln]

That may be so but you might want to pause for a moment and consider the fact that when it comes to anti-African racism, Japan ranks right up there with the West and the Arabs, albeit not as well known or displayed. In fact across the Asian continent there have been quite a bit of racist attitudes for a while now. But, like the West, all most of them see in Africa is a place that have resources they need for their own survival, the well being and economic/political resurgence of Africans itself is a totally different matter. Maybe you need to ask the African/Afri-Caribbean people domiciled in Japan a few detailed questions about racial attitudes towards blacks in Japan.

Remember what Dr John Henrik Clarke used to say "you (the African) had no friends then, you have no friends now, if you want one, go look in the mirror"

Intresting response. Certainly, I share your concern about the defense of the Motherland. Fact is, we must tolerate no compromises when it come to African integrity from anyone, including "Black Americans". This is why we must defend Sudan: Sudan is in Africa. Once we deal with the Europeans, we can always go back and settle things with the Arabs. Do not believe that we need the Europeans. It is the other way around: they need us.

As a point of clarity: I lived some of the best years of my life in Japan. I had many dear friends there. What I was surprised to learn is that this non-sense about Asian racism is just that: non-sense. The Japanese adopted me and treated me with great hospitality, kindeness and consideration. I find the Japanese to be a very civilized people, relatively speaking. In other words, they cannot be judeged on the same yard stick that Europeans must be judged on. (Japan had no part in the slave trade. Nor did they colonize Africa. There is much to be learned from Japanese culture. It is not a secret that Japanese cars and other mercgadise tend to be superior in quality than most that are produced in the West. Notice that Europeans are much too greedy to refuse Japanese products.) While they are very ethnocentric and nationalistic, I do not find them to be racist. Even now, when I encounter Japanese students and tourists in this country, I find them to be extremely considerate and hospitable towards others.

If you understood my message correctly, I said that I had contacted the African Community in Japan. What that means is just what it said: Many Africans live in Japan, just as I once lived there. There are at a minimum the diplomatic community in Tokyo consisting of many diplomats and their famiies from Africa. When I was in Tokyo, I met dipolmats and students from such places as Kenya and Nigeria. Indeed, Japan is a small country in terms of its per capita sguare mileage. So they cannot accomodate many foreiners settling there. But, Japan is very much engaged with the outside world, much more so than we are in this country. (Japan contributes far more to poor developing counties per capita, per GDP, than such rich countrie as the USA and the European Union. Charity is a very commendable Asian personality trait.) It is easier to meet Africans in Tokyo than it is to meet them in many USA cities. Many of these Africans are American expatriates who are sick and tired of American racism and have decided to move to a more civilized country like Japan. Often these Africans marry into Japanese families and produce large numbers of African-Japanese children.

If you take the time to visit blacktokyo.com, you will notice that many of the Africans in Japan have mixed Japanese-African heritage. The Africans in Japan have taken the intiative to reach out to us. I simply think it is a matter of civilized courtesy to respond in a positive manner. Connecting with our brothers and sisters all over the world is a basic principle of Pan-Africanism. If we in the USA are too...to do this, we will certainly not harm the African Nation very much. There are about 1 billion Africans in the world. that is nearly 25% of the world's population. Those of us stranded in the USA are a very small and almost insignificant percantage of that total. The African Nation would do quite well if all "Black Americans' were wiped off the face of the earth. Noone would miss us, or even notice that we are no longer here. We are much too arrogant.

 

[dustyelbow]

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So we really have to identify the problem and its causes. During this identification we have to be prepared to either toss out or scale back on the Saxonised aspects of our current outlook. Indeed first we, on this side of the Atlantic, have to admit that we ARE Afro-Saxons and that we are the products of Western socialisation no matter how much we set about restoring our conscious Africanness. Many African-Americans and Afri-Caribbeans, with the best of intentions, go to Africa with ideas of Western capitalism, free trade theories, Western Christianity and Arab Islam, as if they did not have enough of that already. We go with ideas created in 19th C industrial Europe and post-WWII USA as if Durkheim, Locke, Adam Smith, Marx, Keynes had any knowledge of or regard for the realities of Africa’s/Afro-America/Caribbean social, political and economic history. In fact, during the wars of liberation in Zimbabwe, Namibia, Angola and so on, many African-Americans went over there to rebuild promising aid from Colgate, Palmolive, Price-Waterhouse Coopers, Shell, Bayer, Firestone and Cadbury’s: the same companies that were funding white mercenary operations and experiments with poisons and nerve agents in some of the most hushed up dirty war campaigns of the 20th C. No wonder Africans are indifferent if not downright hostile.

Perhaps I am taking your piece out of CONTEXT but if these SYSTEMS (Capitalism, Socialism, Western Christianity, Arab Islam) did not WORK ENTIRELY to our BENEFIT in the WEST how can they SUCCEED in AFRICA without the WEST sponsoring such. All these -ISM are products of CIVILIZATION.

Is this what Africa is? A place for us to find our place in WORLD AFFAIRS under the GUIDANCE or TEACHERS of the WEST.

Africa can be all things but a reproduction it is NOT. Having the whole continent run like a BUSINESS or CORPORATION brings about feelings of WHERE is a place we can call HOME to its WORKERS?

In many SOCIAL ORGANIZATION in the WEST, MORALE is getting LOW even with the BUZZ of TECHNOLOGY, MONEY, ETC.

HOME is where the HEART is...

Which is the question we ask ourselves TODAY?

If you dont have any INSIGHT into your PEOPLE and their PROBLEMS on this SIDE of the ATLANTIC, I dont see how you can get any BETTER on the AFRICAN SIDE of the ATLANTIC and BUILD a so called BETTER adminstration of(Capitalism, Socialism, Western Christianity, Arab Islam)?

Afro-Saxons?

Have read of this term in obscure readings. But it's nice to see it used.

 

[abdurratln]

First of all, African, it saddens me considerably to see one of us think and talk in this manner in public. But now that the cat's out of the bag, I think that we must really deal with it.

Hotep

During this identification we have to be prepared to either toss out or scale back on the Saxonised aspects of our current outlook. Indeed first we, on this side of the Atlantic, have to admit that we ARE Afro-Saxons and that we are the products of Western socialisation no matter how much we set about restoring our conscious Africanness.

It would be much too easy to cop out and say angry things to you, no matter how much I would like to. But, let's get real for a brief minute or two. What gives you the right to define us as "Saxons". Do you really think that all of us have become Europeans? Get real. The best that we could ever hope for is some kind of a caricature of a European: some king of a pathetic freak. Let's face it: you can take an African out of Africa. But, you can never take Africa out of the African. Those who are "Saxons' were little more than some kind of a sorry behind African to begin with. The African Nation is certainly better off without them. Let them go and mess of Saxony.

Get real. Do you really think that most Americans are "Saxons"? What about Americans of Irish ancestry? Are they too "Saxons"? Or the Italians? Are they "Saxons"? The intersting thing about this so-called "Saxoniztion" is that it seems that only Afrians can become Saxonized. Get real.

Not even the Scots call themselves "Saxons". For crying out loud, wake up.

Many African-Americans and Afri-Caribbeans, with the best of intentions, go to Africa with ideas of Western capitalism, free trade theories, Western Christianity,

This is exactly the problem. Do not suppose that you can impose Europeanism on Africa. Africa has about the richest culture in the world. We fought the Europeans precisely to defend our culture. So do not be surprised to learn that we can develop our own isms. We simply do not need Europe. Europe ain't about a whole lot, anyhow. "Great" Britain is little more than a rock in the middle of the sea.

Arab Islam.

Now we getting somewhere. Is all of this non-sense about narrow parochial concerns? There is no such thing as "Arab Islam." I come here to talk about politics (Pan-Africanism). But, I keep getting Green baited (Green is the Banner of the Muslim Community.) So, I guess I will risk getting kicked out of this forum because I will not accept such low blows as this. I am not a Christian inclined to turn the other cheek.

Muslims believe in the Unity of GOD. Because we are of GOD's image, we believe in the Unity of Mankind. Given: many reject the Blessings of Islam. But we consider all Muslims to be brothers and sisters. Indeed, Allah Almighy has commanded thus. As mere Slaves of Allah, we are bound to obey.

I hate to keep referring people to my webpage. But, I have just posted some work there that speaks directly to this issue. [fudaa.blogspot.com.] Allah has said that All Muslims are Brothers and Sisters. Every Muslim accepts this. In his last sermon, the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings be upon him) specifically outlawed racial discrimination. You can find a copy of the Farewell Sermon here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Farewell_Sermon. Please read that Sermon very, very carefully. All that is in it will be further verified later on at my webpage. I am going through considerable effort just to publish this information so that these types of lies will begin to loose their validity.

We go with ideas created in 19th C industrial Europe and post-WWII USA as if Durkheim, Locke, Adam Smith, Marx, Keynes had any knowledge of or regard for the realities of Africa’s/Afro-America/Caribbean social, political and economic history. In fact, during the wars of liberation in Zimbabwe, Namibia, Angola and so on, many African-Americans went over there to rebuild promising aid from Colgate, Palmolive, Price-Waterhouse Coopers, Shell, Bayer, Firestone and Cadbury’s: the same companies that were funding white mercenary operations and experiments with poisons and nerve agents in some of the most hushed up dirty war campaigns of the 20th C. No wonder Africans are indifferent if not downright hostile.

Well, a major part of my public activity has always been to de-program as many of us as possible.Thanks to the world wide web I am more confidant than ever that we will certainly be sucessful in the end. I am publishing the facts. Eventually, people will begin to wake up. We will realize that Africa is in fact the Source of Civilization. As such, we are quite capable of developing our own social and political theories and ideologies. Proving that we are still Africans here in America, we even developed the Black Power ideology starting the late 1950's. So, clearly we are smarter than monkeys who can only copy what foreigners do.

 

[pdiane]

Wow, it has been such a long time since I posted on Destee. I used to do it from work, but the Technology people made it impossible to post from work. So i did it from home which was not often at all. Well, I am happy to say I am back at work to give my little 2 cents to these post.

There is a 3 day summit going on in Africa to talk about A United States of Africa. As I said a couple of years ago on this post, unity is in the air and nobody can stop us. It is the law of nature. What goes up must come down and visa versa. OUr mother Africa is coming to the light and forcing so-called leaders to see the need to share the richness of Africa to survive.

We from the diaspora can play a major role in her rise and I am happy to see this commitment to unity in the air even though I probably won't see it in my lifetime.

All this negative talk about Africans don't like Diasporans and Diasporans not understanding Africans is also breaking down as well. We are embracing and travelling to Africa everyday. I meet Afrakans all the time in Afraka that say welcome home and how they admire some of our great leaders, athletes, entertainers. They look to us and relate to us for many reasons.

I have been there 6 times now with my husband who is African. We have been married for 3 years and promote love and unity wherever we go. My experience is that AFrakans want to be close to us, but are afraid of rejection by us. We must create forums to work together. I say that because they come to amerikkka, where we already live and are established. We are part of the fabric of this country so we have the power to defend, befriend, and care about our Afrakan brothers and sisters from he continent.

Everyday in amerikkka Afrakans from the contintent experience discrimination and racism, everyday their children relate to being a Black child vs some special Afrakan from Africa. They may come here thinking they are better or they will rise above Diasporans, but no sooner do they think that do they get slapped in the face with some racist remark or action against their blackness.

Racism is the force that should unite us and often does at the end of day. Racism doesn't ask if you are an African from the diaspora. It didn't ask Amaduo Diallo or any other African that was victimized by horrors of racism in amerikkka.

So I am optimistic about our being able to work together on all fronts. Diasporans should be running to Afraka as a second home so to speak becuse Afraka is open for business opportunities as well. We no longer need to be afraid to travel to our motherland. Just like so-called latinos can run up in down North and South America and claim America as their orignal home, we diasporans must see that we too have the option of going home whenever we want to as well. Just don't go poor. There are enough poor people in Africa.

Long live Africa!!