Black People : Why do black people need a leader?

[Clyde C Coger Jr]

In the Spirit of Sankofa!

Now that I have responded to Putney Swope's commentary:

Where next, elder brother?

You tell me!

P. S.

The good sister may well have to reoonsider downsizing etc. her website (i. e,. I've been having issues and problems, just trying to get my comments posted, which may well have to do with it being graphics heavy etc.)...

Well chuck,

We are still about organizing this community with real love between brother and sisters. We are taking this site over the top by being only One Step Away From Greatness, to which you play a very important and key role, keep the faith chuch, for real.

 

[WARRIOR]

THIS POST IS INTENDED FOR PUTNEY SWOPE.....

I DID NOT QUOTE FOR I WILL QUOTE MY OWN WAY.....

NOW....PUTNEY.....I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU MY OWN WORDS....JUST AS I ALWAYS HAVE......BUT THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT THIS IS MY LAST REPLY TO YOU....

THE MAIN IRRITATION I HAVE WITH YOU IS........MISUNDERSTANDING....

EVERYTIME YOU REPLY TO MY OPINIONS IN THESE OPEN THREADS , YOU COME WITH 3 THINGS.....

A COMPLAINT
AN OPINION
AND A COMMENT

YOUR COMPLAINTS ARE ALMOST ALWAYS STEERED IN A DIRECTION THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL POINT OF THE THREAD...

YOUR OPINIONS ARE USUALLY BACKED BY FACTUAL INFORMATION , BUT LACED WITH WEIGHTLESS PERSPECTIVES......

YOUR COMMENTS ARE NOT ONLY OUT OF PLACE , BUT THEY ARE CENTERED AROUND YOUR ARROGANCE , WHICH SEEMS TO HAVE YOU CONVINCED THAT THEY ARE POWERFUL.....YET WHAT POWER COULD THEY POSSIBLY HAVE IF THEY ARE NOT GROUNDED ??

NO MATTER WHAT ORDER YOU BRING THEM IN......A MISUNDERSTANDING ALWAYS SURFACES , COMPELLING ME TO BREAK DOWN MY POINT FOR YOU , AND SHOW YOU THE ERROR OF YOUR WAYS IN THE PROCESS.....

I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT YOU HAVE EXTENSIVE NEWSGROUP EXPERIENCE , FOR YOUR CONSISTENCY IN BEING ERRATIC AND FACTUAL HAVE CLOUDED YOUR ABILITY TO FOCUS ON STABILITY..........YOU RUN ALL OVER THESE FORUMS LOOKING FOR A DEBATE AT ANY COST , THEREFORE , LEAVING YOURSELF WIDE OPEN FOR CONTRADICTION.....

YOU REPEATEDLY PRODUCE DEBATE AFTER DEBATE , AND ONCE YOUR OPPONENT REMAINS ON THEIR ORIGINAL POINT , YOU TAKE OFF AND DO IT AGAIN.........NEVER LEARNING FROM YOUR MISTAKES......

I FOR ONE AM QUITE TIRED OF THIS CYCLE YOU KEEP CREATING FOR THE SAKE OF THE MOMENT....

NOW.....YOUR FALSE PROMISE TO THE FEFF......

THE ATTITUDE YOU CHOSE TO DISPLAY ONCE BROTHER CLYDE CONFRONTED YOU ABOUT YOUR PROMISE TO THE FEFF , WAS PITIFUL.....

HAD YOU TOOK THE TIME TO THINK , INSTEAD OF SPLIT-SECOND SNAPPING BACK , YOU WOULD HAVE NOTICED THAT BECAUSE OF YOUR CONSISTENT ARROGANCE THAT BLINDED YOUR VISION , YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SEE THAT IT WAS SINCERITY THAT CHALLENGED YOU.....NOT BROTHER CLYDE........

BECAUSE YOU ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT PRODUCING ARGUMENTS , YOU COULDN'T SEE THAT YOU WERE GIVEN A CHANCE TO BACK UP ALL OF YOUR WORDS WITH ACTIONS.....

WHEN I CONFRONTED YOU ABOUT IT , YOU RETURNED GESTURES OF IGNORANCE....REPEATEDLY.....AND LATELY YOUR IGNORANCE HAS GROWN WHILE DEMANDING TO BE ACCEPTED........AND I HAVE NO PATIENCE FOR IGNORANCE.....

OK....NOW THIS THREAD......

HERE YOU SAID : HERE IN NYC MIXED RACE COMMUNITY MEANS BLACK AND WHITE, HISPANICS USUALY ASSOCIATE WITH BLACK

SECONDLY I WAS SHOWING THE IMPORTANCE OF LEADERSHIP BY POINTING OUT THE IMPORTANCE OF DESTEE RIGHT HERE


BUT BEFORE THAT....YOU SAID THIS :

and I myself have no problem uniting with Whites in political and union matters as well,however when one looks at the current and future situation of the economic status of more then half of us of African descent,
the conditioning that the majority of us have gone thoruogh no matter what the economic status has kept that"Each household should concept",

AS FOR YOUR MIXED RACE COMMUNITY , I WOULD HOPE THAT UNITING THE BLACK PEOPLE IS YOUR FIRST PRIORITY....THEN SEE IF ALL OF YOU AGREE ON LETTING OTHERS IN....BECAUSE THE GOAL IS SUPPOSED TO BE IMPROVING THE ECONOMIC STATUS FOR THE BLACKS.....

AS FOR THE IMPORTANCE OF LEADERSHIP , I SUGGEST YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH BROS. CLYDE , TARIQ MUHAMMAD , HODEE , ELDER BA'KHYR , CHIEF ELDER OSIRIS , OLDSOUL .....I HAVE NO DOUBT ANY ONE OF THESE BROTHERS CAN GIVE YOU PLENTY OF INSIGHT ON THE IMPORTANCE OF LEADERSHIP......

AND AS FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO JOIN UP WITH & FOLLOW A WHITE MAN , FOR ANY REASON.......I HAVE NO WORDS AT ALL......

NOW , IN YOUR NEXT POST TO ME , YOU SAID :

AND LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT ACTIONS, I WOULD NOT GIVE A DIME TO ANY CHARITY, THAT DOES NOT HAVE SOME KIND OF POST OR BROCHURE, PUBLICLY AVAILABLE ABOUT THIER SUCCESS, SO IF ALL YOU ARE ABOUT IS MONEY THEN YOU AND YOUR BUDDY I WIESH GOOD LUCK, MY HARD EARNED DOLLARS WILL GO TO A DESTEE MEMBERSHIP CAUSE HER STANCE POSTS AND AVAILABLE VENUE OF NATION BUILDING I DEEM WORTH IT, NOW FROM YOU AND THE BROTHERS POSTS i REALY CNNOT SAY A THING BUT I SURE AS CHENEY WONT CONTRIBUTE TO THAT

AGAIN , BY CHOICE , I HAVE NO WORDS.....

AND JUST SO YOU KNOW , I CHOSE TO IGNORE THOSE STATEMENTS BECAUSE ONE IS DEFINITELY MISLEADING , WHILE THE OTHER IS........200% CONTRADICTION....

WITH THAT SAID.....I WISH YOU WELL



WARRIOR

 

[bigtown]

Hey Swope, I thought i was the only "BIG" opinion on Destee lol

 

[chuck]

I talk down to no one but I won't be hounded nor will I hound.

I realy do not undrstand if you are asking me to be a leader or do i think that i am a leader a leader of what?

As stated before, I came here hoping to find answers and methodologies from folks smarter then me and who have been here for years, answers to the questions that brothers and sisters have been asking me regarding solutions we can enact on a grass roots level to ways of reversing the nightmarish issues that still plague the Black community and that so called Black leadership, are too busy with thier own personal agendas to address
, so when folks ask me if I am training to be a leader, what Black man in his right mind and has a knowledge of self and sees the plight of the masses would not be training, and it kinda was like asking if I ate food this week,

just didn't know where you were coming from with that brother

Chuck:

I did not come here to lecture other folk about what they are or aren't doing...

I. e., you get back what you give out, and there's nothing new or news about that either...

So be that example and/or role model, which again and again you kinda sorta claim others here are neither striving nor want to be...

 

[Clyde C Coger Jr]

In the Spirit of Sankofa and Truth!

THIS POST IS INTENDED FOR PUTNEY SWOPE.....

I DID NOT QUOTE FOR I WILL QUOTE MY OWN WAY.....

NOW....PUTNEY.....I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU MY OWN WORDS....JUST AS I ALWAYS HAVE......BUT THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT THIS IS MY LAST REPLY TO YOU....

THE MAIN IRRITATION I HAVE WITH YOU IS........MISUNDERSTANDING....

EVERYTIME YOU REPLY TO MY OPINIONS IN THESE OPEN THREADS , YOU COME WITH 3 THINGS.....

A COMPLAINT
AN OPINION
AND A COMMENT

YOUR COMPLAINTS ARE ALMOST ALWAYS STEERED IN A DIRECTION THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL POINT OF THE THREAD...

YOUR OPINIONS ARE USUALLY BACKED BY FACTUAL INFORMATION , BUT LACED WITH WEIGHTLESS PERSPECTIVES......

YOUR COMMENTS ARE NOT ONLY OUT OF PLACE , BUT THEY ARE CENTERED AROUND YOUR ARROGANCE , WHICH SEEMS TO HAVE YOU CONVINCED THAT THEY ARE POWERFUL.....YET WHAT POWER COULD THEY POSSIBLY HAVE IF THEY ARE NOT GROUNDED ??

NO MATTER WHAT ORDER YOU BRING THEM IN......A MISUNDERSTANDING ALWAYS SURFACES , COMPELLING ME TO BREAK DOWN MY POINT FOR YOU , AND SHOW YOU THE ERROR OF YOUR WAYS IN THE PROCESS.....

I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT YOU HAVE EXTENSIVE NEWSGROUP EXPERIENCE , FOR YOUR CONSISTENCY IN BEING ERRATIC AND FACTUAL HAVE CLOUDED YOUR ABILITY TO FOCUS ON STABILITY..........YOU RUN ALL OVER THESE FORUMS LOOKING FOR A DEBATE AT ANY COST , THEREFORE , LEAVING YOURSELF WIDE OPEN FOR CONTRADICTION.....

YOU REPEATEDLY PRODUCE DEBATE AFTER DEBATE , AND ONCE YOUR OPPONENT REMAINS ON THEIR ORIGINAL POINT , YOU TAKE OFF AND DO IT AGAIN.........NEVER LEARNING FROM YOUR MISTAKES......

I FOR ONE AM QUITE TIRED OF THIS CYCLE YOU KEEP CREATING FOR THE SAKE OF THE MOMENT....

NOW.....YOUR FALSE PROMISE TO THE FEFF......

THE ATTITUDE YOU CHOSE TO DISPLAY ONCE BROTHER CLYDE CONFRONTED YOU ABOUT YOUR PROMISE TO THE FEFF , WAS PITIFUL.....

HAD YOU TOOK THE TIME TO THINK , INSTEAD OF SPLIT-SECOND SNAPPING BACK , YOU WOULD HAVE NOTICED THAT BECAUSE OF YOUR CONSISTENT ARROGANCE THAT BLINDED YOUR VISION , YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SEE THAT IT WAS SINCERITY THAT CHALLENGED YOU.....NOT BROTHER CLYDE........

BECAUSE YOU ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT PRODUCING ARGUMENTS , YOU COULDN'T SEE THAT YOU WERE GIVEN A CHANCE TO BACK UP ALL OF YOUR WORDS WITH ACTIONS.....

WHEN I CONFRONTED YOU ABOUT IT , YOU RETURNED GESTURES OF IGNORANCE....REPEATEDLY.....AND LATELY YOUR IGNORANCE HAS GROWN WHILE DEMANDING TO BE ACCEPTED........AND I HAVE NO PATIENCE FOR IGNORANCE.....

OK....NOW THIS THREAD......

HERE YOU SAID : HERE IN NYC MIXED RACE COMMUNITY MEANS BLACK AND WHITE, HISPANICS USUALY ASSOCIATE WITH BLACK

SECONDLY I WAS SHOWING THE IMPORTANCE OF LEADERSHIP BY POINTING OUT THE IMPORTANCE OF DESTEE RIGHT HERE


BUT BEFORE THAT....YOU SAID THIS :

and I myself have no problem uniting with Whites in political and union matters as well,however when one looks at the current and future situation of the economic status of more then half of us of African descent,
the conditioning that the majority of us have gone thoruogh no matter what the economic status has kept that"Each household should concept",

AS FOR YOUR MIXED RACE COMMUNITY , I WOULD HOPE THAT UNITING THE BLACK PEOPLE IS YOUR FIRST PRIORITY....THEN SEE IF ALL OF YOU AGREE ON LETTING OTHERS IN....BECAUSE THE GOAL IS SUPPOSED TO BE IMPROVING THE ECONOMIC STATUS FOR THE BLACKS.....

AS FOR THE IMPORTANCE OF LEADERSHIP , I SUGGEST YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH BROS. CLYDE , TARIQ MUHAMMAD , HODEE , ELDER BA'KHYR , CHIEF ELDER OSIRIS , OLDSOUL .....I HAVE NO DOUBT ANY ONE OF THESE BROTHERS CAN GIVE YOU PLENTY OF INSIGHT ON THE IMPORTANCE OF LEADERSHIP......

AND AS FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO JOIN UP WITH & FOLLOW A WHITE MAN , FOR ANY REASON.......I HAVE NO WORDS AT ALL......

NOW , IN YOUR NEXT POST TO ME , YOU SAID :

AND LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT ACTIONS, I WOULD NOT GIVE A DIME TO ANY CHARITY, THAT DOES NOT HAVE SOME KIND OF POST OR BROCHURE, PUBLICLY AVAILABLE ABOUT THIER SUCCESS, SO IF ALL YOU ARE ABOUT IS MONEY THEN YOU AND YOUR BUDDY I WIESH GOOD LUCK, MY HARD EARNED DOLLARS WILL GO TO A DESTEE MEMBERSHIP CAUSE HER STANCE POSTS AND AVAILABLE VENUE OF NATION BUILDING I DEEM WORTH IT, NOW FROM YOU AND THE BROTHERS POSTS i REALY CNNOT SAY A THING BUT I SURE AS CHENEY WONT CONTRIBUTE TO THAT

AGAIN , BY CHOICE , I HAVE NO WORDS.....

AND JUST SO YOU KNOW , I CHOSE TO IGNORE THOSE STATEMENTS BECAUSE ONE IS DEFINITELY MISLEADING , WHILE THE OTHER IS........200% CONTRADICTION....

WITH THAT SAID.....I WISH YOU WELL



WARRIOR

WARRIOR (The PointMan),