Black Spirituality Religion : We will NOT accept the story of Esau and Jacob. Because it is unacceptable.

Dual Karnayn said:
Sun of Ra

I don't know who Rashidi is, but Dr Diop.....as much as I respect him as a Muslim as well as his work....is as wrong as two left feet if he claims that Canaanites were African.

We trace our roots back to Egypt and Ethiopia, but I've never known any Black folks either in Africa or anywhere else on the planet who trace their roots back the Canaanites.
Have you?

The racial connection between the Canaanites and the Eyptians were a work of fiction that doesn't go back pass the compilation of the Penatuech in Babylon. The Egyptians saw themselves as clearly a distinct race from the Asiatic shepards of Canaan.

Also, there is a difference between Canaanites and Phoenicians.
The Canaanites were a Semitic people, the Phoenicians/Philistines where a white people from Greece who settled along the shores of Canaanite territory and replaced them.

That's quite incorrect.

Canaanites got their writing from the Egyptians....and they passed it along to the Philistines/Pheonicians...who inturn passed it to the Greeks and the rest of the Western world.

Long before the so-called Hebrews or Palestinians invaded Canaan, it (Canaan) was the home of those referred to as 'Canaanites'. These same Canaanites were living in cities by the 3rd millennium B.C. These same Canaanites developed an alphabet from which other writing systems derived from. Even their so-called 'religion' had a major influence on that of the so-called 'Hebrews' and on both christianity and islam.

The evidence of a Canaanite dialect is found in the writings of the Sinai turquoise mines at Serabit El-Khadem, which dated around 1500 B.C.E. These same inscriptions are the adaptations of the Kamitic Mdw Ntr by the acrophonic principle to a Canaanite dialect. These figures were adapted and styled into a Canaanite script around 1000 B.C.E. What is clear at this point is that the Phoenician script of the 8th century known as 'Karatepe' is almost identical.

Please note that an Afrikan by any other name is still an Afrikan. Phoenician, Canaanite, Kamau (egyptian), Akkadian, Sumerian, Hebrew, Babylonian, Carthaginian, Chaldean, Aramean are ALL from the AfriKan family roots. Let us not get sidetracked by the names the writers use!

I strongly suggest that you read the works of Dr. Ivan Van Sertima and Brother Runoko Rashidi for more insight about the Afrikan origin of the Canaanites and Phoenicians.


Dual Karnayn said:
BTW....since you call yourself "Sun of Ra" do you know who the "Ra" of Egypt is?
First of all, 'Ra' is not a 'who' or a person. We refer to 'Ra' as the life-force which ensouls all living things, that is, all that exists. It is that energy or 'divine spark' within all things.

What the Kamau called 'Ra' (life-force), it is known as 'Chi' to the Chinese, 'Kundalini' to the Hindus, and 'Ngolo' to the Kongo people of Central Africa.


Htp.u
 
Blackbird said:
Thanks for the pics...

Certainly, the four nations painting is very infamous often used by Eurocentric Egyptologists, although it was used by Diop. We have the Kamau (Egyptians), Kenensu "Nahasi " (Nubians), Namou (Asiatics) and Tamahou (Libyans). It's a very generic breakdown and it provides us with near-by ethnic environment.

However, it never specifies the Tchaas Ka'aniny (Canaanites) and more detailed descriptions of the Asiatics show a nomad associated with animal husbandry, which is more consistent to another group of Asiatics, the Habiru (Abraham's people), than the Tchaas.

Surely, we can deduce that the Egyptians were detailing people in lands of close proximity, but far as the Libyans were concerned, there were two known groups -one black and the other white. The Tehennu were a dark brown hue and were by most accounts Africoid in appearance. The Tamahou were those Libyans thought to have descended from the Sea Peoples that invaded the southern Mediterranean regions were domociled in Libya and Palestine. Understanding this is relevant for more clarity in regards to the Asiatics . Could it be the "Semitic" person(s) represent a more recent ever-increasing element into the already Black social stratum, which was diminshing due to wars and therefore were worthy of mention?

Very compelling visual but given the circumstances needs to much clarification and cultural understanding to be submitted as face-value evidence.. Good try, but not quite the aim.

Blackbird (shaking the turtle rattle and feeling orenda surging thru body)


You beat me to it:eek: . Thanks for an outstanding post!




Htp.u
 
Sun of Ra


Long before the so-called Hebrews or Palestinians invaded Canaan, it (Canaan) was the home of those referred to as 'Canaanites'. These same Canaanites were living in cities by the 3rd millennium B.C. These same Canaanites developed an alphabet from which other writing systems derived from. Even their so-called 'religion' had a major influence on that of the so-called 'Hebrews' and on both christianity and islam.
I was with you right up UNTIL you said the Canaanites "developed" an alphebet.

First of all.....
The Canaanites didn't DEVELOP an "alphabet" the Greeks developed the "alphabet".
The Canaanites where a semitic people who like OTHER semites such as the Akkadians and Arabs got their ORAL language from the same original source.....back home in Sumeria.

But their WRITTEN language came from Egypt after the Egyptians colonized them and the rest of the region.


Second of all....
The Canaanites didn't "influence" anything in either the religion of the Hebrew or Islam.

Some words are similar because all are of a Semitic culture, but the religion of the Canaanites and the religion of the Hebrews was a different as day and night.

You're claiming....with little fact to back it up....that the Canaanites influenced the Hebrews.

But from what I've read they were taught to observe NONE of the Canaanite practices but were instead commanded to kill as many of them as possible and run them the hell up out the land.
And from what I understand, they were loyal to that commandment.

The Canaanites were polytheists....the Hebrews monotheist.

The Canaanites practiced incest and religious prostitution...the Hebrews banned these practices.

The Canaanites practice forms of magic and divination....this was banned among the Hebrews.

Infact, the ONLY thing the Hebrews and the Canaanites seemed to have in common was the land they occupied at different times.



The evidence of a Canaanite dialect is found in the writings of the Sinai turquoise mines at Serabit El-Khadem, which dated around 1500 B.C.E. These same inscriptions are the adaptations of the Kamitic Mdw Ntr by the acrophonic principle to a Canaanite dialect. These figures were adapted and styled into a Canaanite script around 1000 B.C.E. What is clear at this point is that the Phoenician script of the 8th century known as 'Karatepe' is almost identical.
Remember what I've said earlier.

The Canaanites got their written language from the Egyptians.

Just like the Persians had an oral language, but got thier written language from the Arabs.






Please note that an Afrikan by any other name is still an Afrikan. Phoenician, Canaanite, Kamau (egyptian), Akkadian, Sumerian, Hebrew, Babylonian, Carthaginian, Chaldean, Aramean are ALL from the AfriKan family roots. Let us not get sidetracked by the names the writers use!
First of all, what part of Africa did Phoenicians, Canaanites, Akkadians, Sumerians, Hebrews, Babylonians, Chaldeans, and Arameans come from?

In order to be "Africans" they must have had origins in Africa.

With the exception of Hebrew, I don't even know of any Black or brown Africans TODAY who claim to be of these ethnicities....yet you're connecting them all and calling them "African".


Let me clarify a few things for the record:

Phoenicians and Philistines are ethnicly GREEKS....white Europeans who settled on the shores of Africa and Palestine.

Canaanites, Arameans, Sumerians, Hebrews, and Akkadians were SEMITES...brown skinned Asiatics having little or nothing to do with Africa except for when they were colonized by Egyptians and Ethiopians.

Chaldeans are WHITE Indo-Europeans related to the Kurds and Persians who came from the Caucasus mountaints.

Babylonian is a NATIONALITY...not a race or ethnic group.

Whoever occupied Babylon during any given time was considered a Babylonian regardless of race.

To say Babylonians are Black is like saying Americans are Black.

Of all the groups you mentioned, the Egyptians were the only qualified to be called Black Africans.


Now any more history or anthropology lessons will cost you a hefty price....lol.




First of all, 'Ra' is not a 'who' or a person. We refer to 'Ra' as the life-force which ensouls all living things, that is, all that exists. It is that energy or 'divine spark' within all things.

What the Kamau called 'Ra' (life-force), it is known as 'Chi' to the Chinese, 'Kundalini' to the Hindus, and 'Ngolo' to the Kongo people of Central Africa.
Well then obviously the Ra you're representing is different than the Ra who was considered a deity in Kemet.
The same deity who was Marduk of Babylon.
 
The greeks did not develop the alphabet, they adapted it. It was developed from the Canaanite/Phoenician alphabet and the order and names of the letters are derived from Phoenician. The original Canaanite meanings of the letter names was lost when the alphabet was adapted for greek. For example, 'alpha' comes from the Canaanite 'aleph' (ox) and 'beta' from 'beth' (house).

The Canaanites were not a semitic people. They were Afrikan just like the Kamau (egyptians), Akkadians, Sumerian, Hebrew, Babylonian, Carthaginian, Chaldean, Aramean. Once again, any Afrikan by any other name is STILL Afrikan.

The word "semitic" applies to those peoples who were descended from Noah’s son Shem. The Canaanites were not the descendants of Shem. The Canaanites had lived in Lebanon for many thousands of years before the arrival of the Arab, and Lebanon was touched by Christianity some 600 years before being touched by the Arab and Islam. One can clearly see that part of the muslim population of Lebanon are of Arab origin whose ancestors settled in Lebanon post invasion. Some muslims are of Persian orgin, some of Turkish orgin and some are of Canaanite origin which at some point had converted to islam. There is no doubt that when the arabs arrived in Lebanon it was already inhabited by the Maronites and other christians who are of Canaanite origin and therefore not arab. The Canaanite origin of the majoirty of Lebanese both christians and muslims is historical fact.

Since 2002, DNA testing has been underway to identify the Phoenicians. Scientists collected blood samples from men living in the Middle East, North Africa, southern Spain, and Malta, places the Phoenicians are known to have settled and traded. Starting with between 500 and 1,000 well-typed samples, they began looking at the Y chromosome, the piece of DNA that traces a purely male line of descent. The DNA testing showed the obvious and the conclusion reached was simple - Today's Lebanese, the Phoenicians, and the Canaanites before them are all the same people. This was documented in the October 2004 issue of National Geographic magazine.

Dual Karnayn said:
Phoenicians and Philistines are ethnicly GREEKS....white Europeans who settled on the shores of Africa and Palestine.

This is absolutely false. Phoenicia was the name given by the greeks, in the first millennium B.C.E., to the coastal provinces of modern Lebanon and northern Israel, although occasionally the term seems to have been applied to the entire Mediterranean seaboard from Syria to Palestine. The Phoenicians were a coastal branch of the Canaanites, who, according to Biblical traditions, were the brothers of Kush (Ethiopia) and Mizraim (Kamit)--members of the Hamite ethnic group. In other words, the Bible states that the ancient Canaanites, Ethiopians and Kamau were all African nations.

Dual Karnayn said:
Canaanites, Arameans, Sumerians, Hebrews, and Akkadians were SEMITES...brown skinned Asiatics having little or nothing to do with Africa except for when they were colonized by Egyptians and Ethiopians.

Once again, this is absolutely false. The Canaanites, Arameans, Sumerians, Akkadians were Afrikans who later mixed with their nomadic white invaders and became absorbed into a Semitic people.

Dual Karnayn said:
Chaldeans are WHITE Indo-Europeans related to the Kurds and Persians who came from the Caucasus mountaints.

Once again, this is incorrect. The Cu****es(Ethiopians) that occupied the country south of Kamit (egypt) sent their colonies along the shores of Arabia, whence they crept into the Persian Gulf occupying Chaldea, Susiana and the Indus. The monuments and traditions of Chaldea clearly indicates 'East African'origin.

Diodorus Siculus stated that the Chaldeans were a body of learned men resembling the priests of egypt (Kamit), both of the same race (black).

Dionysus has also been quoted as saying the following:

"The Chaldeans were the most ancient inhabitants of the country called by their name. They seemed to be the most early constituted and settled of any people on the earth. They seem to have been the only people who did not migrate at the general dispersion. They extended to Egypt westward and eastward to the Ganges. These were the Accadians of Chaldea, who looked to the southwest of the Caspian for the cradle of their race."


Dual Karnayn said:
Babylonian is a NATIONALITY...not a race or ethnic group.
Whoever occupied Babylon during any given time was considered a Babylonian regardless of race.
To say Babylonians are Black is like saying Americans are Black.
Of all the groups you mentioned, the Egyptians were the only qualified to be called Black Africans.
Now any more history or anthropology lessons will cost you a hefty price....lol.


This is incorrect, as these Afrikans were not called 'egyptians'. The original inhabitants of the place what we call 'egypt' were known as the 'Kamau'. The place we now call 'egypt' was called 'KMT'(Kamit, Kamet, Kemet), which means 'land of the blacks'. Kamit was conquered by invaders, which ended the Kamitic empire. This downfall led to the rise of the 'egyptian' people, who settled in the land and remained after each conquest from the Arabic influence to that of the romans. The egyptians simply imitated the original people of the past (Kamau), as they are continuing to do even in modern egypt. This is what makes them egyptian, which is greek for 'aigytos'.

No thanks for the 'HIS-Story' lessons. I'll stick with the 'Tru-story' and dismiss the white lies you are spreading, with all due RA-spect.


Dual Karnayn said:
Well then obviously the Ra you're representing is different than the Ra who was considered a deity in Kemet.
The same deity who was Marduk of Babylon.

On the contrary, it's the same deity. Fact is a deity is not a person. It is the divine part of the 'SELF'. Deities are given human attributes in order for those with limited knowledge to comprehend their existence.




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