Black Spirituality Religion : Sunni and Shia: The Deep Divide in Islam...

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    The split between the Sunni branch of Islam, which counts about 90% of the world's Muslims in its ranks, and the Shiites, who form an underclass in most Muslim countries except Iran, dates from the 7th century and a dispute over the succession to Prophet Muhammad (saw).

    The Shiites believe that the Prophet’s son-in-law, Ali (saw), was the rightful successor to the Muslim leadership, but his claim culminated in a civil war in which his followers were known as the “Shia,” which means, “partisans of Ali.” In 680 AD, after Ali’s death and the abdication of his eldest son, Ali’s second son, Hussein, was slain at Karbala by troops of what would become Iraq, the dominant Sunni dynasty. The death of Hussein crystallized the schism in Islam, and gave the Shiites their emphasis on suffering and martyrdom.

    Iraq, Iran’s neighbor and former enemy, had a Shiite majority under a secular government, and therefore was a prime target for the export of the late Iranian leader Ayatollah Khomeini’s Islamic revolution while he was in exile in France. Several other Arab countries in the Persian Gulf also have substantial Shiite populations.

    The bitterness between Iran and Saudi Arabia, which is ruled by adherents of the strict Wahhabi sect of Sunnis, is particularly strong because each side considers the other heretical. Shiites expelled the Wahhabi founder from his home village in the early 19th century, and Wahhabis sacked Shiite holy sites at Karbala and Najaf – both in Iraq – last century.

    It is also galling to the Iranians that King Fahd has styled himself the “custodian of the two holy mosques,” a reference to the Muslim holy sites of Mecca and Medina in Saudi Arabia. The guardianship carries considerable prestige in the Islamic world.
     
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    Akhay Atha Antuk < Aqil >

    May I Ask You A Question ; Does the successorship have to be blood related ?
     
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    Not in the Sunni sect, IssaEl21...
     
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    As Salaam Alaykum < Aqil >

    Aqil - Are you sure < Successorship have nothing to do with blood related >
    I'm not trying to set you up Here , The reson why I ask is because I don't see the ( Pale -Muslims Of The East ask the true muslims > Can you explain why successorship is not blood related .
     
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    As-Salaamu-Alaikum Brother IssaEL21:

    The Shiites believe that the successorship should remain within Muhammad's family, and that leaders are spiritually chosen, not politically chosen. They carry with them the pain of Muhammad's son-in-law, Ali, who was murdered by Mu'awiya in order to obtain power. The Sunnis and Shi'as differ as to who was the first Caliph of Islam. According to Sunni thought the first Caliph was Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, the father-in-law of Prophet Muhammad (saw), who was elected to power in 632 AD. The Shi'a, on the other hand, believe that the honor should go to the Prophet's cousin and son-in-law, Ali ibn Abu Talib, on the basis of his blood relation to the Prophet himself...

    Ma Salaam.
     
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    As Salaam Alaykum < Aqil >

    Does The Successorship Have To Be Blood Related ? As Salaam Alaykum Wa Rahmatu ILan Wa Baraakaatuhu < Aqil > May I Share SomeThing With You ? Does The Successorship Have To Be Blood Related ? Most Definitely ? in the history of the Isralite , we read how the right of kingship was passed down from father to son . For example ,theProphet David , who reigned as King of Israel , was succeeded by his son. Solomon , and he in turn was succeeded by hisson Rehoboam on oneside to the land of Israel the mixed seed , And King David had an elder son named As Sayyid ; Adonijah .

    The other side set up the Kingdom of Judah for the unmixed seed of Judah through his son , Matthat . down to As Sayyid ; Jesus the Christ .
    Even in the Levitical order ,theorder of the Priesthood of the Hebrew , the chief priest was succeeded by his son . Throughout the scriptures ,prophets have alwaysbeed succeeded by blood relation ; as Zechariah asking for a son , name John The Baptist to succeed him ( Koran 3;38-39
    Abraham asking fora son , so he can bethe heir ( Torah , The Pentateuch 5 Books Of Moses Genesis 21;10,12 , 25;6 )


    ( Descendancy Line Of Ibrahiym ( Abraham . PBUH )
    Ishaq / Isaac PBUH ---- Ismaa'iyl / Ishmael PBUH
    Noah ------------------- Noah
    Shem ------------------- Shem
    Israa'iylites / Israelites PBUH ------ Ismaa'iylites / Ishmaelites
    David ------------------- David
    Adonijah ---------------- Adonijah
    Isa Ibn Maryam ---------------- Mustafa Muhammad Al Amin PBUH
    ( Jesus son of Mary PBUH ) -------------- Seed Of The Women .


    In this case . It was As Sayyid ; Ali , As Sayyid ; Muhammad's son-in law and cousin .Before Abu Bakr , the founder of the '' Sunnis sect of Islam
    ( he was not of Judah ;he was of the Canaanites ) took control of the successorship of As Sayyid Muhammad , which they were doing while he was on his death bed ; while As Sayyidah ; Faatimah and As Sayyid ; Ali and their sons were trying to arrange for the burial of As Sayyid Muhammad , Abu Bakr and his daughter and also the wife of As Sayyid ; Muhammad , Aiysha and the other followers were debating over who should be the right-ful successor or Khalifat .

    Because they wanted to take over the seed , Aiysha could not have a son by him . She even tried to deveive him . But God did not want it that way . The original revelation of As Sayyid ; Muhammad , which were recorded on bones and skins , were destroyed by '' Uthman son of Afaan''
    As Sayyid Muhammad's father - in - law . by his marriage to Uthman's daughter , Hafsah , by the order of Abu Bakr , trying to takecontrol of teh seed '' blood . ''

    Abu Bakr gave himself the name As Sadiyq ,which is derived from the Aramic / Hebrew Zodoq which means '' The truthfull , the upright , the righteous ,or one who is counted as true , While as Sayyid Muhammad was alive ,this was true ; however , once As Sayyid ; Muhammad died , as you can see , he changed the way he treated As Sayyid ; Muhammad family ; who were known as Ahlil Bayt meaning '' Family of the House , The Ahlil Bayt consisted of As Sayyid ; Muhammad , As Sayyidah; Faatimah , As Sayyid ; Ali , and their two sons . As Sayyid ; Hasan and As Sayyid ; Husayn .

    Also from As Sayyid ; Adam to As Sayyid ; Muhammad , who is in all the books as a part of Ahlil Kitaab Meaning '' Family Of The Books Koran 110;1 .. All true Muslims who study the Koran and the man-made tradition called the Hadith and Sunnah ,Know that As Sayyid ; Muhammad clearly proclaimed that Jesus Christ or As Sayyid ; Isa Al Masih was coming after him , andthat he would be a just judge ( Hadith 4.657 ) narrated by Abu Huraira ; God's messenger ( Muhammad ) said by him in whose hands my soul is , surely ( Jesus ) the son As Sayyid ; Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge humans judstly Koran 4;159 Also Phillipians 2;10-11 .

    With these facts from the Koran and the man-made Sunnah custom .there is no question in the true believers mind about this fact , that every person in the family of the scriptures would have to accept as Sayyid ; Jesus before he dies and before the end of the world .And because As Sayyid ; Muhammad is mentioned in the Koran 61;6 as Ahmad being mentioned by Jesus in the books before the Koran . that make As Sayyid ;Muhammad one of the people of the book , as well as one his true companions and followers , ( Koran 61;6 )..


    If The Mhdi Did Not Agree With Sectarianism , Then Why Did The Riligion Of Abraham Divide Into Sects ? Today there are over 70 sect in the religion of Abraham , all declaring righteousness . Sectarianism , innovation and opinions often are the reason responsible for distorions in the religion of Abraham and the many other religion . The result of this causes quarrels , bloodshed , and war .just because men take it upon themselves -to appoint othersin position , causing sectism .

    This is what happened in the case of As Sayyid Amiyru'l Mu'miniyn Ali who was the son-in-law andfirst cousin of The Arabian Prophet As Sayyid Muhammad . After The Arabian Prophet As Sayyid ; Muhammad died , As Sayyid ; Ali who is A blood relative of Muhammad . was to inherit the title of Khaliyfat or Successor ,because 4 of Muhammad's 7 children died
    ( Qaasim , Abdullahi , Ibrahiym , and Zaynab , all died early in life , or in birth , leaving behind three girls ; Umm Kulthum . Ruqayyah , and the eldest daugher , As Sayyidah ; Faatimah ,

    However , there was a dispute between As Sayyid ; Amiyru'l Mu'miniyn Ali who was the rightful heir and other men . like Abu Bakr . Umar , and Uthman , who wanted this title , thus , there were two groups that emerged from the dispute of succession and beame known as ; Sunni who believe The Successor after The Arabian Prophet As Sayyid ; Muhammad , to be a man named Abu Bakr . The second group was The Shi'ite who believed The Succesor to be ; As Sayyid ; Amiryu'l Mu'miniyn Ali , who is the rightful successor ,

    Amiyrul Mu'miniyn Ali was called Commander or Ruler of the Faithful , and the direct descendant of As Sayyid Muhammad , As Sayyid ; Ali . wasthe rightful and true successor because he was of the same bloodline as Muhammad . He wasthe son of Abu Taalib , Muhammad's uncle ; and his righ as successor was further strengthened by his marriage to the daughter of Muhammad , Faatimah ; making him Muhammad's so-in-law . Out of the union of Ali and Faatimah came the three sons ; Al Hassan , Al Husayn . and the third child , Al Muhsin ,who died in infancy .

    In their birth , Muhammad realized much joy .for he had patiently endured the mockery of those who considered him '' Abtar '' Cut Off '' Koran 108;3 Because his sins had died before him . The reason the sons of Muhammad passed away , was so there would be no confusion as to whom , the rightful heir would be . However , there are still people who chose to break up into sect ,claiming that Abu Bakr , Umar and Uthman were rightful heirs to the position of the Khaliyfat or '' Successor ' after passing of Muhammad . This is not true . It is very clear why these men could not have been the true successor of Muhammad . They were related to him by marriage ,not by blood .

    Abu Bakr was the father of Ayisha , the second wife of the Prophet Muhammad , which made him the Prophet's father-in-law . Umar was the father of Hafsah , the fifth wifeof the Prophet Muhmaad , which also made him a father -in-law . And Uthman became the son-in-law of the Prophet Muhammad because he married two of his daughter ; Raqaiyah .who he married at the time of his conversion and Umm Khulthum . Who he married after her sister's death .

    The Prophet Muhammad publicly confirmed that Imaam Ali was to follow him as his true successor when he gave his final declaration at Ghadir Khum andsaid the following words ;
    '' Oh ye people ! I am the Prophet and Ali is my [ Heir ]. and from us will descend Al Mahdi ( the Last ) of the A'inuma , who will destroy them andslay every tribe of idolaters , And he will avenge the martyrs of God . He will reward ,merit and chastise every fool according to his folly . He will be the champion of the faith and a drawer at the fountian of divine knowledge . He will be valiant in doing right and one to whom the Most High has entrusted Islaam , O ye people . I have explained to you .and Ali will also make you under-stand . ( From Kitab Khal'an An-Na'layn '' ) .

    But still there is great controversy concerning the true heir to the Arabian Prophet As Sayyid ; Muhammad . Beside the fact that the Arabian Prophet As Sayyid ; Muhammad declared who would be his rightful hier ( as stated previously ) . the answer resides in Du'aa Ibrahiym ( prayer of Abraham ) . Which is recited by Muslimsworld over in their Salaat ( worship ) .
    ( Du'aa Ibrahiym ( Prayer Of Abraham ) .
    Allahoomma - Sal - lee - Ala - Sayyidenaa - Moo-Ham -Madin - Wa'ala - Aa-lee - Sayyidenaa - Moo - Ham - Madin - Kamaa - Salayta'Ala - Sayyidenaa - Ebraaheema - Allahoomma - Baarik - Ala - Aa-Lee - Sayyidenaa - Moo- Ham - Madin - Wa'ala - Ala - Aa - Lee - Sayyidenaa - Moo - Ham - Madin - Kamaa - Baaeakta - Ala - Sayyidenaa - Ebraaheema - Wa - Ala - Aa - Lee - Sayyidenaa - Ebraaheema - Feel - Lameena - Innaka - Hameedoon - Majeedoon - Allahoomma - Sal - Lee - Ala - Sayyidenaa - Al - Mahdi - Al -Emaan - Moo-Ham -Mad -Ah - Mad - Bin Ab - dul-lah - Feel - Aa - Lameen - - Innaka - Hamee -Doon - Majee - Doon .
    O Allah , sent salutation on our noble ; Muhammad , andon the descendant ( from the same bloodline ) of our nobleMuhammad , as You sent salutation on our noble ; Abraham andon the same descendants
    ( from the same bloodline ) of our noble ; Abraham . Surely You Allah , are the Most Praiseworthy and Magnificent . Oh Allah , sendblessing on our noble ; Muhammad and on the descendants ( from the same bloodline
    of our noble ; Muhammad as You bless our noble ; Abraham In all the universe surely , You are the Most Praiseworthy and Magnificent , ''

    Du'aa Ibrahiym ( Prayer of Abraham ) is sound evidence , supporting our affirmation that the heir , the Khaliyfah . should be a descendant ( of the same blood - line ) of the Arabian Prophet As Sayyid ; Muhammad , and that As Sayyid ; Ali was the only person with this qualification and . This is why it states ; O Allah . send salutation on our Noble Muhammad and on the descendant ( from the same blood - line ) of our Noble Muhammad .
    Du'aa Ibrahiym ( Prayer of Abraham ) tells us that the heir or the position of Khaliyfah after the passing of the Arabian Prophet had to be a ( Jl) AALA descendant . Theonly descendant of the Arabian Prophey As Sayyid ; Muhammad who was honoured by the Arabian Prophet and commissioned by Allah as his successor was As Sayyid ; Ali . He , unlike Abu Bakr . Uthman and Umar was not only the Arabian Prophet's son-in-law , but his cousin , his first male convert to Islaam , and the father of the Arabian Prophet's lineage , his grandsons - Imaam Hasan andImaam Husayn . his heirs .

    Du'aa Ibrahiym ( Prayer of Abraham ) is an important Du'aa because it Not only confirms who would qualify as Khaliyfah ( successor to the Arabian Prophet As Sayyid ; Muhammad ) , but also confirm that through As Sayyid ; Abraham's son , As Sayyid ; Isaac came As Sayyid ; Yashu'a son of Mary , know today as As Sayyid ; Jesus Christ . And through As Sayyid ; Abraham's son As Sayyid ; Ishmael came the Seal of the Prophet , As Sayyid ; Mustafa Muhammad Al Amin .
     
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    It is very clear that politics came to play at the advent of the Prophets death and before. These politics are the root cause to a disunified people and religion...as there have also been books added to the Qu'ran also along with mr. blue eyes working his way up in power also.
     
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    The Holy Qur'an remains as pure today as it was in the beginning. Nothing was added to it; nothing was changed in it; and nothing was taken away from it ever since its revelation was completed 1400 years ago...
     
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    Man...don't even go there ! It was not only tampered with, but revelations were added and all traces of the original had to be destroyed so there would be nothing to compare it to as it made the political transition from Quarish Arabic to Fusha. So we not going to go into the contradictions and errors of the Qu'ran...so let it rest.
     
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    As Salaam Alaykum < Aqil >

    Is There Poor Arabic Grammar And Errors In The Qur'aan ?
     
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