Bro. H0rnet:
Ok, I didn't say that without Congress, Executive Departments, Commander in chiefs and National leaders that we would be LEADER-LESS. If all of these "pseudo" political departments were to go under, Black people would have no other choice than to come together and form our own governments - WHICH IS WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING ANYWAY... but we don't do it because we are trying to fix our oppressors system. Which we will never do. This is the point that I was making.
I await for your response on Groupthink.
So long as it is understood that we need to come together, and refuse to come together, nothing more to say about that. I remember a few years ago a professor of mine during my freshman year of college used to always say something to the effect of “black people will never come together as a people, so drop the attempts to unite [Americanized] Afrikans nationwide. I’d get upset and tell him “just watch…we will rise above our circumstances and unite.” It kills me that today I can feel him saying “I told you so.”
Anyhow-
Nobody is ruling these people out as "influential". But they should not be our Leaders. Certainly not to the point where a division happens in the community when they have differences. They are messangers/master teachers & even mentors. But that doesn't make them suitable to lead the masses of people.
Understood – and on that note, let me ask you this:
Do you feel as though we as a people truly understand the meaning of Leadership, let alone having the knowledge necessary and sound judgment to the point where we can choose Leaders? Whether it affects Afrikans or not, there have been a number of people who have said, “the masses are never right.” Think about that, and tell me what qualifies the people to decide who should lead or not lead, especially when they are so disorganized to the point where they cannot even lead their own street blocks!
If you are a leader (especially trying to lead us out of this mess we are in), then you have to be careful of what you say and do at AAALLLL times. That is the class that you sign up for when you become a leader. And that is the class that WE sign our scholars up for when we anoint them as leaders. Kwesi and Hagins have shown that they didn't pass it.
If that is the case, once again, we would not have leaders. Everyone is hue-man, therefore having hue0man tendencies. They will say the wrong things, do the wrong things, act the wrong way; this will happen on occasion. We even thought Barack Obama was that type that would be careful of his speech, communication and overall delivery style, only to find that he’s been using Hypnotic techniques on people. So again, as far as I am concerned, unless we get an alien or robot (well-programmed at that), we will never see or have an actual ‘leader.’ As for those who fail the class…ditto…
I don't agree that we don't know how to reach collectivity. As I look around I see a collective movement towards higher consciousness. Yes, some people are upset and offended by some things that have gone down, but I don't see nobody stoppin what they are doin. I don't see anyone saying, "Well, I used to believe in Black Power... but now that Hagins and Kwesi are actin a fool, I think I will go back to White Jesus & Greek Philosophy"
Hold up – that is kind of outlandish – no there may not be people deciding to shift to Greek Philosophy. Then again, let us let the actions speak for the words. We love to say we are making progress, but time and time again the opposite is right around the corner, right up the road, and in some instances, right in front of our n
Sometimes I think that the biggest thing that divides us is the perception that we are divided. At the end of the day, we are all still here trying to do what we have to do. Families Fight... but they are still family. And that's it.
Actually, there are those of us who have found that family can be as disloyal and distrustful as we are to each other as a whole. Now granted – I lay that to rest the very minute it comes to my attention, but that does not heal the problem. I’ve known people who made it crystal clear they want isolation and separation from their own family for such-and-such a reason. Yes, they’re still family, but how do they prove it?
As for the perception that we are divided – that goes back to our psychological enslavement. For too long have we been given deception goggles to wear and told to see things through the deceptive goggles. With them on, we see division where they is unity, and even told there is division when there is really unity. Some of us have taken the goggles off; others have not.
The only real division that I see is that once again, we are anointing "SCHOLARS" as "MESSIAHS" So there are some that feel that they must now choose sides. In the case of Sara Suten Seti, I understand him defending his master that way. Anyone in his position would/should. But Me... I am familiar with Kwesi and Hagins. I respect both of their works. But I don't Follow either one. Where would they take me? They are messengers. They are not leading massive movements that will destroy the current system of White Supremacy. And they should be viewed as such. They are humans with egos just like us, and we should know this. These scholars are not the solution, they are there to raise our collective consciousness and empower us, so that WE can come together and solve this puzzle.
Again – in all actuality, what qualifies us to have the power to anoint people, let alone anoint ourselves? We like to dream and imagine that we have power we do not have as of yet. There is work we must do as a people if we truly want to reach the point where we can have that power.
Whether they are scholars, evangelists, messengers or whatever – bottom line is they have jobs to do (just like we have) and need to do it. By the way, who gives them to titles they wear – us or a higher power/authority?
We ALL see the reasons why Hagins said what he said. What I am saying is that he just took it too far. The statements that he made about "not supporting Kwesi" and "If you keep talkin stuff about me, I will have you prosecuted to the full extent of the law" was not for the benefit of the community, THAT... was for the laying of the smackdown to Kwesi (because he was mad about what Kwesi was doing). He was using his influence to try to harm Kwesi. This is where he went wrong.
Not to change the subject (actually I feel it’s quite relevant) – but as a Messenger, do you feel that the Hon. Elijah Muhammad “took it too far” and brought on division and is not a leader for saying “white people are a race of devils?” I ask this, because it is relative to this case.
A brotha/sistah comes on the scene speaking words and wisdom that we all feel great energy from. With that same person, we begin to call them “Elder/God/Messenger/Teacher” so on and so forth, then when they do something “hue-man-like,” we come back and say they are not whatever title we give them; they are such and such. What does that make the masses of us look like? The last time I explained this, it was taken the wrong way, so I had to be specific.
About his actions and why, you are correct, but guess what bruh – much more of this is to come. So long as we continue to give them the impression that they can conduct themselves in that manner, the use of influence the wrong way will continue. Again, we as the masses have work to do, and if we do not want to do it, then karma will do its work on us.
But if Kwesi was making injurious statement about Hagins, then Hagins had full right to write a letter, but the pimp slap was too much.
Based on what Knowledge Seed said about him being money hungry, and what truetothecause said about her experiences, it seems as if Kwesi's actions are already taking away from his credibility. So people are ALREADY moving towards not supporting him. Why? Because we are grown Afrikans and as conscious people we can tell when someone is not practicing what they preach. Karma is already taking place. The masses are already beginning to hold him "accountable"
Well for Kwesi, what I do know is Hagins is not the first person to go at it with Kwesi over multimedia sales. I will not mention who, but Kwesi has had other scenarios where he and someone were at odds over his work. That is something he needs to deal with, with them. You see, I don’t know Bro. Kwesi that well, but I seen some of his work, and I admire it. Further, some of the brothas who pointed me in the right direction as it pertains to knowing who I truly am, they started out with Kwesi, so I do not dislike him. However, I feel that if he is to continue putting his lectures out for us, he ought to be more civil in dealing with us as a people – whether it’s Hagins, Seti, you, me, whoever. Otherwise, we will not get anywhere – much work done, but will we get ahead and go backward with it?
We didn't need Hagins to try to influence us not to support him because he had differences with him. Because I betcha if Kwesi wasn't beefing with Hagins, Hagins never would have written the letter (regardless of all of the other things that Kwesi was doing). If it was strictly about the community, the letter would have been written long ago.
Agreed.
KWABENA
