Black Spirituality Religion : Hebrew Isratelites vs. Christians

[Black-king]

Hmmm. Well, here you are again quoting Paul from the Book of Ephesians (AKA "The EPISTLE [LETTER] To The Ephesians.).

But, riddle me this....How did these so-called "OTHER" Israelites/AKA "GENTILES" come to be in the Greek/Roman city of Ephesus.

How did they come to be "ALIENS of Israel" and "STRANGERS from the Covenants of promise?"

Captivity, the northern kingdom were taken away to captivity.

 

[cherryblossom]

Proselyte are converted israelites, they weren't people from other nations. When you read the Bible it tells you that. ...

The Gentiles are the scattered Israelites who are all over the world, sigh, the Kingdom of heaven are for the Children of Israel.

http://destee.com/index.php?threads/interracial-dating-threads.31997/page-10#post-702930

Anyone who are not an Israelite or a Jew is a gentile, the people calling themselves Jewish are gentiles themselves more like identity thieves gentiles.

Well, now, do pardon my "pagan Christian" understanding....

But, how can a "GENTILE" be someone who is NOT an Israelite or a Jew. ....And, you even called the so-called "Jews" of today "IDENTITY THIEVE GENTILES" because they are NOT Israelites nor Jews...Therefore, they are "GENTILES."

And how can a "GENTILE" be a "scattered Israelite?"

And how can a "PROSELYTE" be a "CONVERTED ISRAELITE?"

....How can an "ISRAELITE" be "CONVERTED" if he is NOT from another "NATION?" ----Wouldn't a TRUE Israelite already be in the Faith?

....And if the "CONVERTED/PROSELYTE" Israelites are SCATTERED," then aren't they "FROM OTHER NATIONS?"

So, in Ephesians 2: 11-12, which you quoted, WHO are these "GENTILES?"

Are they "SCATTERED ISRAELITES" or "PEOPLE FROM OTHER NATIONS?"

Wouldn't Paul have known who was of the "Children of Israel" and who WASN'T?

...
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

It looks like you can't make up your mind WHAT a "GENTILE" is.

 

[cherryblossom]

....And it just doesn't make sense to me how a "GENTILE" can be a "SCATTERED ISRAELITE" and be somebody from another "NATION" too.

BEFORE His sacrifice and resurrection, Jesus/Yeshua said:

Matthew 10:
[5] These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
[6] But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel

So, evidently, JESUS/YESHUA knew WHO was an "ISRAELITE" and who WASN'T.

...Then, AFTER His sacrifice and resurrection, Jesus/Yeshua said:

Mark 16:
[15] And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
[16] He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

So, AGAIN, Jesus/Yeshua knew WHO were from "OTHER NATIONS."

 

[cherryblossom]

...leave your pagan Christian church and come study with us.

http://israelunite.org/

Well, now, if I leave my "pagan Christian church" and become a Hebrew Israelite, what does that make me?....Am I a "GENTILE" or a "PROSELYTE/SCATTERED ISRAELITE?"

Proselytes To Israel
In A Messianic Jewish Congregation

by Michael Rudolph
Introduction
Ruth, the Moabitess, became a member of Israel through her offer of covenant: "Your God will be my God, and your people will be my people (Ruth 1:15-17). Israel's acceptance of Ruth's offer was manifest through Boaz taking her as his wife (Ruth 4:13), and that day Israel added to its number a new proselyte, destined to be in the direct line of the descendants of King David and Messiah Yeshua (Ruth 4:13-22; Mt 1:1-6). Throughout history, countless Gentiles have become proselytes to Israel (Is 56:1-8; Ezr 6:21), as did Ruth, through the exchange of covenant promises with God and Israel (Acts 6:5, 13:43).1 The question often raised among New Covenant believers is, however, whether changing one's identity from non-Jew to Jewish proselyte is either possible or proper now that salvation through Yeshua has come to both Jewish and non-Jewish believers alike (Jn 3:16; Ep 3:6; Acts 11:18).

In his letters to the Romans and the Ephesians, Paul establishes the spiritual equality of Jews and non-Jews in Messiah (Ro 10:12-13; Ep 3:6). Nevertheless, Paul says of Israel:

"What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew, or what value is there in circumcision? Much in every way. First of all, they have been entrusted with the very words of God." (Ro 3:1-2)​

"Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises. Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Messiah, who is God all over, forever praised!" (Ro 9:3-5)​

From these and other scriptures (Ex 19:1-6; De 14:1-2; Is 61:6), we see that being a Jew is a desirable identity, for Israel has been called to serve God as a holy and a priestly nation (Ex 19:6; Ro 15:7-13; Ro 49:6, 60:3, 61:6).

Through Yeshua's death, life came to both Jew and non-Jew alike (Jn 3:16; Ep 3:6). Yeshua and the disciples at first ministered exclusively to Jews (Mt 15:22-24;Acts 3:26), but after his death, the disciples were released to carry the news of Yeshua's salvation to the gentiles as well (Ro 1:16, 11:13; Acts 9:15, 10:1-35). Those gentiles who accepted Yeshua became grafted-in partakers of God's covenant with Abraham (Ro 9:22-26, 11:13-22; Ep 2:11-13),....

http://www.therabbi.com/Library/RoutingIndexes/ItemIndexes/Papers/Proselytes To Israel.htm

 

[MsInterpret]

Well, now, if I leave my "pagan Christian church" and become a Hebrew Israelite, what does that make me?....Am I a "GENTILE" or a "PROSELYTE/SCATTERED ISRAELITE?"

That's a good question