Science and Technology : Earliest Ever Homo Sapiens Discovered in Morocco Forces Major Rethink of Human Evolution

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    Earliest Ever Homo Sapiens Discovered in Morocco Forces Major Rethink of Human Evolution

    The earliest Homo sapiens fossils ever found have been unearthed at a site in Morocco, in northwest Africa—far away from the “cradle of humanity” of southern and East Africa we tend to associate with the birthplace of our species ...

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    Earliest Ever Homo Sapiens Discovered in Morocco Forces Major Rethink of Human Evolution

    The earliest Homo sapiens fossils ever found have been unearthed at a site in Morocco, in northwest Africa—far away from the “cradle of humanity” of southern and East Africa we tend to associate with the birthplace of our species. At the cave...
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    In depth: Overturning what we thought we knew about the dawn of the human species

    ... But did you ever wonder how long it took for us to look this way? It may surprise you to know that this modern anatomy of ours is only 200,000 years old – a miniscule drop in the ocean of evolutionary time. Obviously we evolved from earlier species of Homo, but anthropologists have always puzzled over whether our particular body pattern emerged quickly around this time, or more slowly. The oldest modern human skulls yet found are from Omo Kibish, Ethiopia, and are dated to 195,000 years ago ...

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/depth-overturning-thought-knew-dawn-170001561.html

    In depth: Overturning what we thought we knew about the dawn of the human species

    All sorts – different shapes, sizes, colours – this is the wonderful mix that makes up modern humans. All of us are part of the same biological species defined by a skeletal anatomy that is variable, but essentially the same – all the same bones...
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    Not really. Modern humans wiped out every other version in it's path. Moreover, both came out of Africa, so what changed?




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    DNA from ancient Egyptian mummies reveals their ancestry


    ... Given Egypt's location at the intersection of Africa, Europe and Asia, and the influx of foreign rulers, Krause said he was surprised at how stable the genetics seemed to be over this period. The scientists were particularly interested in the change in ruling class at the turn of the first millennium; first came the Hellenistic dynasty, in the aftermath of Alexander the Great’s conquests, from 332 B.C. to 30 B.C., and then Roman rule from 30 B.C. to about 400 A.D. And yet the genetics of the Abusir el-Meleq community appeared to be unperturbed by shifting politics ...

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    DNA from ancient Egyptian mummies reveals their ancestry
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    Not necessarily, it all occurred on the African continent, plus there is this:

    ... Given Egypt's location at the intersection of Africa, Europe and Asia, and the influx of foreign rulers, Krause said he was surprised at how stable the genetics seemed to be over this period. The scientists were particularly interested in the change in ruling class at the turn of the first millennium; first came the Hellenistic dynasty, in the aftermath of Alexander the Great’s conquests, from 332 B.C. to 30 B.C., and then Roman rule from 30 B.C. to about 400 A.D. And yet the genetics of the Abusir el-Meleq community appeared to be unperturbed by shifting politics ...

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    That's the part I was referring to. Basically, they show no mixing or very little. Which indicates they weren't pure African. And that's what they should be




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    You are not understanding the data.

    We know that
    ancient Egyptians were not sub-Saharan Africans, they were Nubians. Furthermore, the statement below means not much but some sub-Saharan African ancestry was found.

    “was we didn't find much sub-Saharan African ancestry.”

    All of the following are non-African; Alexander the Great, Greeks, Romans, Arabs and Assyrians — the list goes on, yet despite those conquests, there was little, if any, genetic changes.

    Johannes Krause, a University of Tubingen paleogeneticist and an author of the study, said the major finding was that “for 1,300 years, we see complete genetic continuity.” Despite repeated conquests of Egypt, by Alexander the Great, Greeks, Romans, Arabs and Assyrians — the list goes on — ancient Egyptians showed little genetic change. “The other big surprise,” Krause said, “was we didn't find much sub-Saharan African ancestry.”
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    They also said this:

    "Ancient Egyptians were closely related to people who lived along the eastern Mediterranean, the analysis showed. They also shared genetic material with residents of the Turkish peninsula at the time and Europe."

    Implying that the people were related to Europeans and not Middle Easterners or Africans.

    These results need to be peer reviewed and also the sample size needs to be increased to be certain. They have only done one small village in the middle of Egypt, and the time period is only from the New Kingdom forward (relatively recent in the long history of Egypt). It is also possible that Northern Egyptians (Lower Egypt) were more European (With the many incursions of invaders), and Southern Egyptians (Upper Egypt) were more African. It will take more samples from different areas and older time periods to truly determine what the results are, and they need to be peer reviewed by African scientists too.

    In the end, we have to remember that Egypt was a world power at one point, and had many different people within her borders. Just like today, many people normally congregate, socialize, and procreate with their own for the most part. If we went 2000 years into the future and took DNA samples from ancient Washington DC residences, it would leave that future generation with the impression that the US was mainly populated with Black People. So this one study is not conclusive at all.
     
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    "In the end, we have to remember that Egypt was a world power at one point, and had many different people within her borders. Just like today,......... Washington DC residences, it would leave that future generation with the impression that the US was mainly populated with Black People. So this one study is not conclusive at all."

    Point well made.......