My dear friend phynxofkmt,
To see these threads, and to know that our efforts to grapple with the original intent of Brother Tariq Muhammad's thread, does my heart good. This Self Hate complex is such that it will require all hands on deck, so to speak, and possibly a Forum all to itself, if we are to present a panacea.
So, if you don't mind, I will ask that a Forum on Self Hate be set aside so that threads and ideas can come together in concert to toward resolve. Is this okay with you phynxofkmt?
Also, are the two threads you have posted identical?