Black People Politics : African Economics

[IPXninja]

True...small is relative to your pocket
To every endeavor there is a learning curve
Trust in the idea and the people you are working with will have a chance to develop naturally.
Intentions and Success are only recognize and known through their Effects.


Idea are usually plentiful and as such is a good start...
You seemed to be more into an online project?


Those successful black business was sold for the attainment of money and the wealth of individuals and a lack of understanding of building a cultural legacy....Speaking as one who do not know the intimate details of those involved.

Yeah, I'm definitely more into starting with an online project. Low overhead and automation. I'm putting most of the work in now so it can generate money while I'm sleeping and working on other projects (at least that's the plan). Also, sales and marketing online is a lot different than trying to get a local market to keep feeding you enough business to stay afloat. And then you have limits on traffic, awareness, location visibility, etc. The key to almost any project is marketing. I just don't want to get trapped having to "run" a business all day. Once, the virtual corporation has money to invest we can pay people to turn their passions into businesses.

 

[IPXninja]

Been gone a while. Got sum catch up to do.
I've only did a quick scan of the last three or four posts. While I'm catching up
Here's a few Brothers & Sisters doin some of the stuff y'all seem to be kick'n round.

https://cooperationjackson.org/

http://www.mxgm.org/

Yeh they still doin

Panthers forever: revolution at home and in exile

Black Panthers Charlotte and Pete O’Neal reflect on their lives as revolutionaries in the US and Tanzania, after living in exile for over 50 years.

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Youth United for Change

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Home - Africatown Community Land Trust

Our Mission Africatown Community Land Trust's mission is to acquire, develop, and steward land in Greater Seattle to empower and preserve the Black Diaspora community. Africatown Community Land Trust is working for community ownership of land in the Central District that can support the cultural...

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Community-Driven, Community Informed – Dallas TRHT

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ABOUT US

ebprec.org

https://ebprec.org/

Dream Defenders

www.dreamdefenders.org

The Black Collective

We are The Black Collective. We center the experiences of the African diaspora in Florida. We are a movement committed to building and promoting a shared BLACK Agenda to elevate political consciousness and build political and economic power for BLACK Communities.

www.theblkcollective.org

Building Resilient Organizations | The Forge

Toward Joy and Durable Power in a Time of Crisis

forgeorganizing.org

copied from my building community thread here at Destee.

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Here's one I was going to post in that thread then got side tracked or busy on something else but revisiting the thread brought it to mind again;

https://apspuhuru.org/about/the-uhuru-movement/

Yes, the first link more so than others. Business coops would probably be used a lot more by our people if they simply knew they existed.

As a pragmatist, I don't find it useful to debate changing the country to a different model. Fortunatey, it's already a mixture of things. It's just that capitalism is the main course. And why? Because the reality is that capitalism reflects the "spiritual" development of the majority of Americans. And on some level, the majority knows this and therefore takes any suggestions as a personal attack. So instead of pushing some radical new paradigm that would threaten to destablize the existing economic power of the US... it requires zero permission and zero debate to create business entities that adhere to a different model. Coops are definitely the way to go and perfectly legal inside of US capitalism.

We can pool our money together to fund the business, work for the business, and share the profit.

 

[ogoun]

The origins of the relationship was not a one-way traffic, with a passive Africa responding to Chinese overtures; on the contrary, African individuals and governments of their own motion, initiated contact and sought relations with China; African liberation movements sought assistance from China from the 1950s and post-independence leaders such as Julius Nyerere of Tanzania and Kenneth Kaunda looked to China for models of political and socio-economic organization as the emergent African states embarked on nation-building in the 1960s. Furthermore, the evolution of the relationship was not confined to intergovernmental (or inter-party)1 relations.
https://sais.jhu.edu/sites/default/files/Rise-and-Rights-in-China-Africa-Relations.pdf

Thax for that, now I'm not as ignorant.

Yes....combating Western Interventionism

"Disaster" According to Who?

I have a rather ahem, to put it nicely, a rather more jaundiced view of Mao.
Millions died of starvation that is if they weren't being put up against the wall and shot under his leadership.
Mao and Stalin were good examples of what happens when the revolutionary becomes the victor and then some how totally forgets Marx and only work to keep domination. Fanon warns us about that.
Malcolm X read and knew Fanon thoughts and writings well and I wouldn't be at all surprised if MLK jr. did as well.

Sometimes we overlook the fact that Capitalism is an Economic Theory and Communism is a Political Theory....They are not Antithetical to each other.

No they are not.....but Marx posited they would always be in opposition to each other, at war if you will, but they do have to work together and his theory for a workable solution was Socialism. Communism in as much as it relates to Marx comes from the community voting that make up the Socialist political structure.
That people like Stalin and Mao (and others) helped bastardize the word Communism into meaning a tyrannical state should not be forgiven.

"Socialism/(Communism) for the Rich and Capitalism for the Poor"

Do you mean privatize the profits and socialize the risks.?
Like is what's practiced today.

 

[ogoun]

Yes, the first link more so than others. Business coops would probably be used a lot more by our people if they simply knew they existed.

We have plenty enough business co-ops already. They usually collude over cigars and whiskey to set prices.
However there are worker owned businesses.....they are a kind of co-op.
Then you have co-op communities of all stripes spread throughout the US. Heck there's even an Islamic one in upper state N.Y.
If you search for them I'm sure ya can find to match the flavor your looking for.

Because the reality is that capitalism reflects the "spiritual" development of the majority of Americans.

I would say the stunting of any "spiritual" development in the majority of the US.

And on some level, the majority knows this and therefore takes any suggestions as a personal attack.

I don't really care how they take it.

So instead of pushing some radical new paradigm that would threaten to destablize the existing economic power of the US.

Any paradigm other than whaat we have now is considered radical. Even what was the business 'norm' of the 50's and 60's is radical today.
Today there are so many destabilizing threats to the capitalist power structure it's not worth debating if the end of the road is far off or not.

We can pool our money together to fund the business, work for the business, and share the profit.

You mean the 'business' of living?
Share the profit? You mean fair value in return and not profit don't you?

 

[frankster]

Thax for that, now I'm not as ignorant.

Peace

I have a rather ahem, to put it nicely, a rather more jaundiced view of Mao.

My view of Mao is Nuanced.

Millions died of starvation that is if they weren't being put up against the wall and shot under his leadership.

Yes...It is the price of Freedom and it was and is High....but no way near as costly as the Loss of Freedom.

Mao and Stalin were good examples of what happens when the revolutionary becomes the victor and then some how totally forgets Marx and only work to keep domination. Fanon warns us about that.

Mao and Stalin are typical of European Style Revolutionaries...Haiti Zimbabwe India and South Africa post revolutionary bloodshed was minimal to none.
Dictatorship can be good especially after a Revolution

Malcolm X read and knew Fanon thoughts and writings well and I wouldn't be at all surprised if MLK jr. did as well.

Yes..they all very likey have

No they are not.....but Marx posited they would always be in opposition to each other, at war if you will, but they do have to work together and his theory for a workable solution was Socialism.

Yes

Communism in as much as it relates to Marx comes from the community voting that make up the Socialist political structure.

True.

That people like Stalin and Mao (and others) helped bastardize the word Communism into meaning a tyrannical state should not be forgiven.

Tryanny is usually a result of Fears of the Enemy Real or Imagine and or Mad with Power...They certainly had Real Enemies.
Both accomplised the seemingly impossible....A Cultural and Industrial Revolution in One Life Time instead of Three or More LifeTimes

Do you mean privatize the profits and socialize the risks.?
Like is what's practiced today.

For sure you Right