Black Spirituality Religion : Fall of melanated people?

[Onyemobi]

Wassup all?

I have questions...

For as great as Kemet was, and as great as we as melanated people were/are, how is that we fell from what we once were to what we are now experiencing?

How is that White Supremacy was able to establish it's strong hold over the melanated people of the world and maintain it?

Please if anyone can answer these questions or at least direct me to where I can find information on the fall of Kemet, I would greatly appreciate it.

Time is circular. Things rise, and things fall. As bad as things may be now, in the grand scheme of things, its only one degree of a cycle that began millions of years ago.

 

[Clyde C Coger Jr]

In the Spirit of Sankofa!

Your statement is misleading. The concept of a fiery place of eternal suffering is a contradiction to people who believe in the reincarnation of souls, as the folks in Egypt and the rest of Africa did. The Christian Hell is not an African concept, and one can argue that its not even a Biblical one.

Onyemobi,

My statement, as you put it Onyemobi, is a non-misleading question that seeks an answer to the fear of punishment issue raised in the dialogue, as deciphered from the hieroglyphs; and what you have provided adds no clarity to the question, nor helps unraveled the obvious conflicting information.

As to the remainder of your comment, please make your argument that Hell is not even a biblical concept?

 

[Onyemobi]

Onyemobi,

My statement, as you put it Onyemobi, is a non-misleading question that seeks an answer to the fear of punishment issue raised in the dialogue, as deciphered from the hieroglyphs; and what you have provided adds no clarity to the question, nor helps unraveled the obvious conflicting information.

As to the remainder of your comment, please make your argument that Hell is not even a biblical concept?

The goal of the ancient Egyptian religion was reaching divinity, in this lifetime, not after death. Eternal life was something that could be achieved in the present. Whereas, the primarily goal of the typical Christian seems not to be reaching Heaven, but escaping the eternal fires of Hell. If that concept of Hell was removed, the churches would probably be empty.

And my statement was the concept of an fiery, eternal Hell isn't even a Biblical one. Any mention of an afterlife for humans is virtually non-existent in the Old Testament, and in the New Testament, the terms Hades, Sheol, and Gehenna are misleadingly used interchangeably as a translation for "Hell."

 

[Clyde C Coger Jr]

In the Spirit of Sankofa!

The goal of the ancient Egyptian religion was reaching divinity, in this lifetime, not after death. Eternal life was something that could be achieved in the present. Whereas, the primarily goal of the typical Christian seems not to be reaching Heaven, but escaping the eternal fires of Hell. If that concept of Hell was removed, the churches would probably be empty.

And my statement was the concept of an fiery, eternal Hell isn't even a Biblical one. Any mention of an afterlife for humans is virtually non-existent in the Old Testament, and in the New Testament, the terms Hades, Sheol, and Gehenna are misleadingly used interchangeably as a translation for "Hell."

Onyemobi,

Absent from you answer to the question is any insight that speaks to the conflicting information spoken of, for example, you have made no attempt to overturn Budge’s translation of the hieroglyphs as mentioned in the materials offered. So, this ends this part of our discussion, okay.

Secondly and specifically, if this is your argument to: The Christian Hell is not an African concept, and one can argue that its not even a Biblical one, then it is full of contradictions. For you say this: the primarily goal of the typical Christian seems not to be reaching Heaven, but escaping the eternal fires of Hell. If that concept of Hell was removed, the churches would probably be empty, and you say this, and in the New Testament, the terms Hades, Sheol, and Gehenna are misleadingly used interchangeably as a translation for "Hell." Therefore, based on all of the above, from my point of view, there should no longer be a need of this back and forth dialogue; can we at least agree on this, my Friend?

 

[Onyemobi]

Onyemobi,

Absent from you answer to the question is any insight that speaks to the conflicting information spoken of, for example, you have made no attempt to overturn Budge’s translation of the hieroglyphs as mentioned in the materials offered. So, this ends this part of our discussion, okay.

From page 59 of Nuk a Neter (I am a Divine Being) The Kamatic Holy Scriptures: by Ra Un Nefer Amen.


"Is Ra the sun god? Lets begin to refute this nonsense by looking into a major Kamitic scripture entitled the Sesh am Duat -the Book of What is in the Metaphysical World. This book puts forward the initiation ceremony that was used in association with Ra. The book details the makeup of man's subconscious, and serves as a guide in the journey of consciousness through it in the process of initiation. What then does the sun have to do with the metaphysical world and man's subconscious?

In this book, man's subconsciousness is divided into 12 regions. Consciousness must travel with Ra (the life force) through each of the divisions with the knowledge of the principles that governs each of them. These principles are based on the law that govern the life force and are referred to as gate keepers, heralds and watchers. If the life of the initiate agrees with the laws in all the regions it means that the life fore has been purified and that the initiate has met all the requirements for divine realization."


As you can see, the term "Duat" or "Amenta", which is often translated as the "underworld", is really a symbol of the subconscious of man.


And on page 106, the author states:

"I did not translate the entire work. I limited myself to the portion that deals with the realization of man's divinity. The section that was left out dealt with funerary procedural instructions and suggestions of things that the deceased can do in the after-life. If you are interested in reading up on this, I recommend with grave reservations, the Egyptian Book of the Dead by Wallis Budge. Unlike other authors, he gives the hieroglyphic text. This is an invaluable tool. Please ignore his attempts to explain Kamitic religion."

I hope this clears this up for you.