Black Spirituality Religion : Is This Present Coronavirus Outbreak a Part of Biblical Prophecy (the Pale Rider)?

[IPXninja]

Hey Frankster

I've missed our conversations.

Maybe not........But Mother Nature Must have a Moral Code - or an equivalent
Its a Cosmos not Chaos

"Moral" is our word, therefore it doesn't need that. It does have a code though. Its code is defined in physics, chemistry, biology, etc. As the natural forces work, and we learn about them, we reveal the natural systems that make them work, and from that, we get the code. This is exemplified by the first few episodes of The 3 Body Problem on Netflix. In these episodes, the environment totally changes based on the movement and positions of this alien planet's 3 suns.

"Both
Mother Nature tends to be Life Giving and Life Supporting....By Creating Preserving and Destroying - Forever Renewing"

Killing things is not the goal. Killing would require an acute awareness of both the action and the target. Instead, it is simply cause and effect. If there is a drought, it's not "planned". There is no moralistic intention on behalf of the planet to kill, starve, murder. It doesn't rain because rain is needed. If that was the case there would be no desserts. The further away you get from water sources the less water is evaporated into the atmosphere in that area. So even if that evaporated water is moved by winds it can only go so far. Etc. etc. When we understand these things we can simply pick better places to live rather than pitching a tent next to a volcano and sacrificing virgins because we think the mountain god woke up on the wrong side of the bed. It's just science.

"With Good reason...The Government on more than one occassion have use abuse and hurt citizens and covered it up in the name of Science and or Security.... even though regular people work there"

But the reason this happens isn't that anyone is "evil" and we are "good". The reason is power vs corruption. Power corrupts and absolutely power corrupts absolutely because it offers a temptation. How much do I use my power for myself vs the greater good? It's that simple. People want to pretend people are worshipping satan when they are simply battling and listening to inner demons that tempt them to do what's in their best interest. But guess what? The same thing happens with the power to vote and so a lot of voters vote for their own best interest instead of caring about the greater good (or whether their candidate is a xenophobic racist). If we understand corruption then we understand its limits.

The most corrupt emperor mindset wants to take over the world, not destroy it. So any destruction he would cause like you said about mother nature "forever renewing", borrows that logic and only destroys so that he can build. In some cases, what this mindset aims to build is peace by stopping regional conflicts. Millions of people could die because of regional conflicts while foreign enemies become bigger and stronger through cooperation. So if you're rich and powerful and you want to save lives you may consider the best way to do that is conquering those regions and pulling their warriors into one army. Even Hitler had the intention of saving/helping people. He simply saw one group of people as a threat to the other. And that's why he was popular with the others and that's why the others gave him the power to do it.

So all those regular people... working there... voting for those people... everyone is part of it. So the idea that we empower someone who is completely psychotic to the point of murdering helpless animals, and then they magically find other people in the same office with an equal level of psychosis, and they start manipulating underlings who don't know what they're doing and using technology that none of them developed because it's a capitalistic government that buys its technology from private companies, and somehow they just form these evil cabals that want to murder millions of people for no logical reason by using weapons that could kill even themselves... This just gets into a level of paranoia that doesn't really make sense. Where does the money come from? How do they appropriate it without anyone asking questions? I mean there are tons of things conspiracy theorists don't think about because they don't know how systems work. We didn't create a bunch of king positions that no one is allowed to question. Everyone has bosses going all the way up to the chief executive. So you would have to have a whole chain of command that is psychotic without anyone in that chain being normal enough to at least anonymously provide evidence to the media. Because the media is also a check and balance on power. The media informs the people so that they become informed voters. Now conspiracy theorists are attacking journalists (therefore journalism), therefore THEY are the ones manipulating the guardrails so that they can control the minds of the people. Because unlike elected officials and people they hire, with degrees and families, conspiracy theorists aren't elected, aren't hired, and therefore there's really no vetting process to establish why they should be trusted. That's why when you put a flat earther against a real scientist, the flat earther gets shredded every time. If, in even one battle, the scientist lost, the theory would rise out of conspiracy theory. But it never does because this has literally never happened. And most are smart enough not to go up against a real scientist. And of course, others get around this by lying about NASA and the whole of science being a conspiracy too. But no, conspiracy theorists give each other a pass to do this because they know it's the only way they can be believed without any real credentials or education. They just think they know everything because of the access we all have to information.

 

[IPXninja]

Official Press Releases are often Misleading when it come to scientific experiments that have or may have Military Applications....When the first Atomic Bomb was successfully exploded....The Public was told it was a Ammunition Dump heap Fire and explosion.

But let's not avoid the most obvious rational reasons for secrecy. It is necessary to have secrecy when talking about new weaponry. But this isn't some nefarious thing that can be leveraged against its own people. Let's say they were fully transparent about it. Let's say they even released the plans. How long would it be before their enemies also had an atomic bomb? Let's say they say what it is but do not give out the blueprints. But if they say where it's being tested, then that's still information that can be used by enemies to either trace it back to the lab or destroy the nearest bases or research centers. Think about the whole WMD ordeal and how we went to war over even false intel about where WMDs might have been in development. So reverse that whole situation. Wouldn't it be a dangerous liability to be too honest about what we're doing and where?

But when it comes to science and medicine, the same private companies either share medical research or sell products all around the world. Why? Profit motive. But in a pandemic, we work more together because we know that's going to spread everywhere. Conspiracy theories often rely on psychotic motives that are unreasonable to assume about a large group of people. Oh, all the scientists in Africa also want to wipe out a large portion of their populations by giving them a vaccine? I doubt it. The world doesn't agree on much but we do agree on mutual survival.

"HAARP is Tech... it is very likely some kernel of truth to the Conspiracy Theory."

No. The kernel of truth is that HAARP exists. It was never hidden. If it could do all of these crazy things, wouldn't it be hidden the same as the atomic bomb? Because that's what conspiracy theorists are afraid of, right? That it could be used as a weapon? Do you think the people who developed it never thought of that? Do you think the funding never thought of that? Just some rando tin foil hats? If it could do what conspiracy theorists believe it would be the greatest weapon in human history and other countries would be rushing to develop their own. And every agent would be trying to infiltrate the building and it would be the most secure facility in the world. Now how much of that is true? Feel free to google images of the HAARP location. And you tell me if that looks like the most secure facility in the world. Do you see? What is it? HAARP is essentially a high-powered transmitter. Does it mean it can transmit a signal with the power to cause an earthquake? Has anyone ever even done the math for how much energy would be required to do that? Or the fact that you cannot BEAM any sort of signal to anywhere in the world without bouncing it off other tech? Have we learned nothing since 5G? Oh yeah, and that, according to the tinfoil hats, was supposed to kill us too. Why? Because they (tin foil crowd) don't understand science. They treat it as a hostile religion. And they don't like it because they don't KNOW... it.

As humans, we have very similar tendencies. Why do most racists hate black people? Ignorance, right? And we can defeat that ignorance with knowledge... education... Well if that's true, then wouldn't the same thing be true for people who are extremely skeptical about the intentions of science as if science is walking around the store and they think it's about to steal; or science walks into the elevator and they clutch their purse? And it just so happens that racists naturally don't want that education. Right? But they have to cook up some reason why that education is bad. So if my comparison is true, conspiracy theorists would also not want scientific education. Why do they reject it? #1 They weren't already scientists like racists aren't black. #2 They don't want to be scientists and don't pursue actual science degrees because they know they're not going to be taught their own views! #3 They don't want to listen to scientists because they have convinced themselves that they're "bad" people who are lying. So they'd rather believe that millions of people who have been educated in science are all untrustworthy just like racists think all black people are untrustworthy.

Do you see a difference?

Hate based on ignorance produces FALSE information.

 

[frankster]

Hey Frankster

I've missed our conversations.

True....so do I

"Moral" is our word, therefore it doesn't need that. It does have a code though. Its code is defined in physics, chemistry, biology, etc. As the natural forces work, and we learn about them, we reveal the natural systems that make them work, and from that, we get the code. This is exemplified by the first few episodes of The 3 Body Problem on Netflix. In these episodes, the environment totally changes based on the movement and positions of this alien planet's 3 suns.

True....Though I have yet to watch the Series

Killing things is not the goal. Killing would require an acute awareness of both the action and the target.

True...The Ancients of Many Cultures says that the Planet is Alive and Aware - Gaia

Instead, it is simply cause and effect. If there is a drought, it's not "planned".

I Know all Effects have a Cause.....And vice versa
The question know becomes did Gaia/Earth Planned It...in the sense that She The earth itch and so she treated it.

There is no moralistic intention on behalf of the planet to kill, starve, murder. It doesn't rain because rain is needed.

If that was the case there would be no desserts.

Many Ancients cultures had what were called Rain Dances.....That many say worked
As well as the Bible tends to support the idea that what we call Natural Disaster is often a Result of Wickedness and or Disobedience...Thereby creating a dynamic connection.

The further away you get from water sources the less water is evaporated into the atmosphere in that area. So even if that evaporated water is moved by winds it can only go so far. Etc. etc. When we understand these things we can simply pick better places to live rather than pitching a tent next to a volcano and sacrificing virgins because we think the mountain god woke up on the wrong side of the bed. It's just science.

I do not approve of Sacrificing Virgins nor do i recommend living near a volcano.....but I honor the Wisdom of the Ancients

But the reason this happens isn't that anyone is "evil" and we are "good". The reason is power vs corruption. Power corrupts and absolutely power corrupts absolutely because it offers a temptation. How much do I use my power for myself vs the greater good? It's that simple. People want to pretend people are worshipping satan when they are simply battling and listening to inner demons that tempt them to do what's in their best interest. But guess what? The same thing happens with the power to vote and so a lot of voters vote for their own best interest instead of caring about the greater good (or whether their candidate is a xenophobic racist). If we understand corruption then we understand its limits.

That Maybe True.....but it is still the Government workers that is Lying to us

The most corrupt emperor mindset wants to take over the world, not destroy it.

Yes....In the effort to take over the world the often do more bad than good.

So any destruction he would cause like you said about mother nature "forever renewing", borrows that logic and only destroys so that he can build.

Not so.....Western Powers are not trying to build Africa - they are looting and pillaging.
Mother Nature can create Life anytime and everywhere....Man cannot create life.

In some cases, what this mindset aims to build is peace by stopping regional conflicts.

Using War to generate peace is oxymoronic

Millions of people could die because of regional conflicts while foreign enemies become bigger and stronger through cooperation. So if you're rich and powerful and you want to save lives you may consider the best way to do that is conquering those regions and pulling their warriors into one army.

Will not work....fighting for peace - is crazy.
China has done more for peace in Africa than all of the Europeans Nations combine over the last 400 yrs.....by building needed Infrastructure.

Even Hitler had the intention of saving/helping people. He simply saw one group of people as a threat to the other. And that's why he was popular with the others and that's why the others gave him the power to do it.

Saving Germany at the expense of the World....He was feared not popular.

So all those regular people... working there... voting for those people... everyone is part of it. So the idea that we empower someone who is completely psychotic to the point of murdering helpless animals, and then they magically find other people in the same office with an equal level of psychosis, and they start manipulating underlings who don't know what they're doing and using technology that none of them developed because it's a capitalistic government that buys its technology from private companies, and somehow they just form these evil cabals that want to murder millions of people for no logical reason by using weapons that could kill even themselves... This just gets into a level of paranoia that doesn't really make sense. Where does the money come from? How do they appropriate it without anyone asking questions?

You do not understand human Nature.....it happen in Germany - Concentration Camps

I mean there are tons of things conspiracy theorists don't think about because they don't know how systems work. We didn't create a bunch of king positions that no one is allowed to question. Everyone has bosses going all the way up to the chief executive. So you would have to have a whole chain of command that is psychotic without anyone in that chain being normal enough to at least anonymously provide evidence to the media. Because the media is also a check and balance on power. The media informs the people so that they become informed voters. Now conspiracy theorists are attacking journalists (therefore journalism), therefore THEY are the ones manipulating the guardrails so that they can control the minds of the people.

Yes Whistle blowers like ....Julian Assange let us Know what is going on - often times there is no one to blow that whistle.

Because unlike elected officials and people they hire, with degrees and families, conspiracy theorists aren't elected, aren't hired, and therefore there's really no vetting process to establish why they should be trusted. That's why when you put a flat earther against a real scientist, the flat earther gets shredded every time.

Some Conspiracy are simply out there to discredit....the true ones - it is easy to recognize a "red Herring"

If, in even one battle, the scientist lost, the theory would rise out of conspiracy theory. But it never does because this has literally never happened.

What are you saying no socalled Conspiracy Theory has been proven True????
If so please look into the history of Cigarette smoking....Philip Morris using doctors to recommend smoking while hiding info that show it caused cancer...

And most are smart enough not to go up against a real scientist. And of course, others get around this by lying about NASA and the whole of science being a conspiracy too. But no, conspiracy theorists give each other a pass to do this because they know it's the only way they can be believed without any real credentials or education. They just think they know everything because of the access we all have to information.

Well bring the scientist...I will provide my reasons as to why I believe HAARP is suspect

But let's not avoid the most obvious rational reasons for secrecy. It is necessary to have secrecy when talking about new weaponry. But this isn't some nefarious thing that can be leveraged against its own people. Let's say they were fully transparent about it. Let's say they even released the plans. How long would it be before their enemies also had an atomic bomb?

The Russian Got the A Bomb rather quickly...and this was a successful test - the reason to hide was no longer necessary.

Let's say they say what it is but do not give out the blueprints. But if they say where it's being tested, then that's still information that can be used by enemies to either trace it back to the lab or destroy the nearest bases or research centers. Think about the whole WMD ordeal and how we went to war over even false intel about where WMDs might have been in development. So reverse that whole situation. Wouldn't it be a dangerous liability to be too honest about what we're doing and where?

After a successful test there is no longer need for secrecy...
We thought the were building one or planning to in Iraq....N. Korea has A bombs nobody is bombing research labs there.

But when it comes to science and medicine, the same private companies either share medical research or sell products all around the world. Why? Profit motive. But in a pandemic, we work more together because we know that's going to spread everywhere. Conspiracy theories often rely on psychotic motives that are unreasonable to assume about a large group of people. Oh, all the scientists in Africa also want to wipe out a large portion of their populations by giving them a vaccine? I doubt it. The world doesn't agree on much but we do agree on mutual survival.

Share....then why Patent there discoveries and inventions.
To paraphrase Malcolm X....You should be Paraniod or Psychotic

No. The kernel of truth is that HAARP exists. It was never hidden. If it could do all of these crazy things, wouldn't it be hidden the same as the atomic bomb? Because that's what conspiracy theorists are afraid of, right?

The Info was leaked....to a journalist hence we now know about it - you linked the cover story
HAARP was once a Super Secret Facility....just like Area 51 - afterall they are both military installations.

That it could be used as a weapon? Do you think the people who developed it never thought of that? Do you think the funding never thought of that? Just some rando tin foil hats?

That is what the Conspiracists are saying it was built for just that purpose.....HAARP was and is Funded by DARPA

If it could do what conspiracy theorists believe it would be the greatest weapon in human history and other countries would be rushing to develop their own.

And they are....
Sura Ionospheric Heating Facility in Vasilsursk Russia and China's SEISMO-electromagnetic Satellite CSES.
Curious the Chinese are using a Seismo satellite????

And every agent would be trying to infiltrate the building and it would be the most secure facility in the world. Now how much of that is true?

I do not know.
Since china is using Earthquake satellite......it makes me go - HMMMM????

Feel free to google images of the HAARP location.

No Need to

And you tell me if that looks like the most secure facility in the world. Do you see? What is it? HAARP is essentially a high-powered transmitter. Does it mean it can transmit a signal with the power to cause an earthquake? Has anyone ever even done the math for how much energy would be required to do that? Or the fact that you cannot BEAM any sort of signal to anywhere in the world without bouncing it off other tech? Have we learned nothing since 5G? Oh yeah, and that, according to the tinfoil hats, was supposed to kill us too. Why? Because they (tin foil crowd) don't understand science. They treat it as a hostile religion. And they don't like it because they don't KNOW... it.

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

I remember when the Americans cause it to rain/flood in Vietnam....everybody said Conspiracy theorist and their psychosis - now it is easily explain as science Duh!

As humans, we have very similar tendencies. Why do most racists hate black people? Ignorance, right?

Yes

And we can defeat that ignorance with knowledge... education... Well if that's true, then wouldn't the same thing be true for people who are extremely skeptical about the intentions of science as if science is walking around the store and they think it's about to steal; or science walks into the elevator and they clutch their purse?

My Problem is not Science....I love Science.
My problem is misguided people with Money Power and Influence controlling and directing science.

And it just so happens that racists naturally don't want that education. Right? But they have to cook up some reason why that education is bad. So if my comparison is true, conspiracy theorists would also not want scientific education.

I do not consider myself a Conspiracy theorist though I get what they are saying on some issues...
I love Science and keep a very open mind

Why do they reject it? #1 They weren't already scientists like racists aren't black. #2 They don't want to be scientists and don't pursue actual science degrees because they know they're not going to be taught their own views! #3 They don't want to listen to scientists because they have convinced themselves that they're "bad" people who are lying. So they'd rather believe that millions of people who have been educated in science are all untrustworthy just like racists think all black people are untrustworthy.

Please your assumptions are completely off....I love Science and scientists.

Do you see a difference?

Hate based on ignorance produces FALSE information.

Hate is ignorance.

 

[ogoun]

True....Though I have yet to watch the Series

I haven't watched the '3 body' series either. But from what I've read in critiques is that the actual novels tells a much different story and message than the screen rendition.

True...The Ancients of Many Cultures says that the Planet is Alive and Aware - Gaia

Everything is alive and aware.

I Know all Effects have a Cause.....And vice versa
The question know becomes did Gaia/Earth Planned It...in the sense that She The earth itch and so she treated it.

Cause and effect.
Material reductionism is a dead end street. A version of a dog chasing its tail.

As one of the only two animals (I know of) on Earth that will spoil its own nest the human animal is the stand out winner.
Yeh, Gaia has an itch.

What are you saying no socalled Conspiracy Theory has been proven True????
If so please look into the history of Cigarette smoking....Philip Morris using doctors to recommend smoking while hiding info that show it caused cancer...

Cigarette industry launched a propaganda campaign while the 'conspiracy' was constrained within a small circle. The same as climate. The same as the insecticide industry.
Just pure propaganda. Throw chafe into information atmosphere ' letting the people decide ' to the point where no one knows what to think or act upon.

I remember when the Americans cause it to rain/flood in Vietnam....everybody said Conspiracy theorist and their psychosis - now it is easily explain as science Duh!

I do remember!
We did made it rain!
we made it rain bombs and napalm and flooded the plains and mountains with agent orange.

Now rain is easily explained with science. Yep, that region of the world had a monsoon season before we ever heard of Vietnam and they still had a monsoon season after we left.
Science. Gotta love it.

 

[frankster]

I haven't watched the '3 body' series either. But from what I've read in critiques is that the actual novels tells a much different story and message than the screen rendition.

The movie is always a little different from the book.....screen writers got to justify their keep/earnings

Everything is alive and aware.

I concur....Animism.

Cause and effect.
Material reductionism is a dead end street. A version of a dog chasing its tail.

As one of the only two animals (I know of) on Earth that will spoil its own nest the human animal is the stand out winner.

Some are now saying Materiality/mass or physicality do not exist....Go figure.

Yeh, Gaia has an itch.

If we are the cause....then when things we do not like happens - we should understand our role in its occurrence.

Cigarette industry launched a propaganda campaign while the 'conspiracy' was constrained within a small circle. The same as climate.

It doesn't take much or many for a conspiracy to be.....as little as two people keeping a harmful secret.
Ordinary people working in a Corporate environment realizing their product is causing harm or the public is being lied to either by omission or commission....
Most ordinary working joe or jane are not brave enough to go public with their identity and life expose to the capricious whims of a Rich and Powerful company. These individuals are then Silent Whistle blowers and their whispers is what feed the so called Conspiracy theorist

The same as the insecticide industry.

True....
Too many companies and too many times it has happen,
For people to still be falling for the shenanigans of the Professional PR Firms and their Million$ dollar budget of lies and mis/disinformation campaign to ridicule and dismiss

Just pure propaganda. Throw chafe into information atmosphere ' letting the people decide ' to the point where no one knows what to think or act upon.

Common sense can often lead to the heart and truth of the matter.

I do remember!
We did made it rain!
we made it rain bombs and napalm and flooded the plains and mountains with agent orange.

Yes we did

Now rain is easily explained with science. Yep, that region of the world had a monsoon season before we ever heard of Vietnam and they still had a monsoon season after we left.
Science. Gotta love it.

Yep cloud seeding is a thing..

Why would anyone think that causing earthquake, reading peoples mind, and placing thoughts or words in the heads of people...... is not already or will not ever be a scientific reality. These things has been a part of our mental space for thousands if not millions of age our literature is replete with them.

I Remember as I child reading in the encyclopedia that African Vodoo was superstition and their is no such things as cursing and mind control, then in the same encyclopedia I read about hypnosis.....LOL
Here is another one Evil Spirits do not cause disease "O those primitive Africans" but Virus and germs do....lol - its the same thing just a different understanding and a new nomenclature.