Black Spirituality Religion : Is This Present Coronavirus Outbreak a Part of Biblical Prophecy (the Pale Rider)?

[ogoun]

I concur....Animism.

Word.
Though I feel Panpsychism is closer in my belief.

Some are now saying Materiality/mass or physicality do not exist....Go figure.

It comes from being cut loose of any connection to the circle of life. That is, that material reductionism answers all questions, ie. all is science and science is all.

If we are the cause....then when things we do not like happens - we should understand our role in its occurrence.

If?
What 'we' have constructed goes far beyond any parable found in the Bible. Far beyond the Tower of Babel, far beyond Sodom & Gomorrah and beyond the worship of the Golden Calf.
What I've found saddening for much of my life is that 'we' have long known what 'we' have done and yet have kept escalating it all unto today. While I generally take a stoic view of the absurd stage I wander through what causes me profound grief is that 'we' taking 200 millions of life down with 'we'.
So sad.... the human held such promise.

It doesn't take much or many for a conspiracy to be.....as little as two people keeping a harmful secret.
Ordinary people working in a Corporate environment realizing their product is causing harm or the public is being lied to either by omission or commission....
Most ordinary working joe or jane are not brave enough to go public with their identity and life expose to the capricious whims of a Rich and Powerful company. These individuals are then Silent Whistle blowers and their whispers is what feed the so called Conspiracy theorist

Beyond two it's impossible to maintain an actual conspiracy for long.

Common sense can often lead to the heart and truth of the matter.

Common sense........don't find much that these days.

Yep cloud seeding is a thing..

How does cloud seeding have anything to do with a part of the world that historically has had a monsoon season every year?

Why would anyone think that causing earthquake, reading peoples mind, and placing thoughts or words in the heads of people...... is not already or will not ever be a scientific reality. These things has been a part of our mental space for thousands if not millions of age our literature is replete with them.

I Remember as I child reading in the encyclopedia that African Vodoo was superstition and their is no such things as cursing and mind control, then in the same encyclopedia I read about hypnosis.....LOL
Here is another one Evil Spirits do not cause disease "O those primitive Africans" but Virus and germs do....lol - its the same thing just a different understanding and a new nomenclature.

The only man made earth quakes I can think of is fracking, draining of oil pools and water aquifers, underground nuke tests. And lately scientists have noted the (man made) melting ice caps have caused some rotational shifts of the earth that I suspect will bring on some quakes.

Call it what ever; evil spirits or call it ebola or call it covid or call it avian flu, etc etc, it's all semantics.
What material reductionism has given us are the tools to understand the evil spirits more fully, in how they manifest and how to keep them at bay. But that's all the reductionists can do.

 

[IPXninja]

True....so do I


True....Though I have yet to watch the Series


True...The Ancients of Many Cultures says that the Planet is Alive and Aware - Gaia


I Know all Effects have a Cause.....And vice versa
The question know becomes did Gaia/Earth Planned It...in the sense that She The earth itch and so she treated it.

As far as Gaia theory goes, I love Gaia theory; have so ever since Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within. I even wrote some of it into my own novel.

But I think people often exaggerate what "Awareness" means. For example, you mentioned it like an "itch". THAT... I can agree with. I think we all have to look at Gaia theory according to the scale of the planetary "cell", not according to our own proportional size/viewpoint. To us, we look big. If you were flying overhead you wouldn't even see people. You might see cars. So I'm saying the more you zoom out, to appreciate the sheer scale, the smaller humans become. That doesn't mean our "footprint" is small though.

Let's say there is a rainforest where the equilibrium has been developed over the ages. A single organism couldn't offset that balance; change the temperature or some other aspect. Therefore, Gaia wouldn't really "Feel" that because feeling anything is relative to the amount of stimuli you're always experiencing like background noise. Just like we tend to focus out the background noise, if you're really high you start to feel and be able to focus on those little things that your mind normally ignores. I think this is why food can taste better for example.

So the point is that consciousness and perception go hand in hand. If you tap me while I'm alert that's one thing. If you tap me while I have headphones on it will be harder to notice. So on the flip side, humans have big egos the size of planets. That's why we think that "God sees us" and we create gods that would see us and who intimately care about us. Of course, now we're coming into an age of enlightenment where most people regardless of religion are starting to come to and embrace the same fundamental concept of collective consciousness; and some, a greater understanding of how and why we create gods, because we are THE God, in a way.

But yet... its more like we are the child in the trinity where the Father is the Sun, the Mother/Ruach haKodesh is the Earth, the "womb man", and we are the offspring of both. And I think scientifically, spiritually, and in whatever other ways, this is true.

So I do believe the planet, like a cell, is alive. It has energy running all through it, from inside and outside, and energy flowing through a medium, can form pathways and those pathways, if complex enough, can create the structural requirements for intelligence. That's what James Cameron was trying to say with his Avatar franchise. But is it an intelligence exactly like ours? I don't think so. When we think of AI... the first part of it is the logic... the algorithm... still not there yet for AGI (general intelligence) but some possibly believe this was already achieved by Open AI. But still... what they're calling AI is basically an artificial system with the ability to learn. That also takes an incredible amount of processing. So that's the second part. Without this processing, the Earth has millions of years to develop in a different way.

How I approach it? I would break the problem down into smaller parts and then connect those small parts. We do that with the Internet. It's not alive but it basically contains most of human knowledge. So I don't think Gaia has that. It think this is why Gaia has us. We are those small fractal parts, multiplying and communicating these different experiences, unified through our 5 senses as inputs. And that allows us to be intelligent on a different level. And so Gaia doesn't have to judge us. We judge ourselves. Future generations judge older generations. And we'll say, of our past selves, "look at how smart we were" on one hand and "look at how dumb we were" on the other.

It's just like when you said you wouldn't recommend living near a volcano. That's a judgment based on the knowledge that those people probably didn't have. So in the absence of science telling them what was going on... ie. volcano... the only answer they keep getting told is "God."

And in order to make sense of the destruction that could have been avoided simply by not living there, humans simply say that God/Gaia planned it.

But think about it, what if you were a great person and lived near a volcano or in a desert? What if you're a horrible person living near a peaceful coastline? Not only does this set up the biblical scenario where Abraham is asking "peradventure..." what if there's only 50? The inverse question could be asked about a place that is so balanced that it has no natural disasters at all. And then you also have to consider the effect of natural disasters on human morality. Because the more harsher living conditions are the more likely humans are to act harsh towards each other. I'm not talking about being mean like some forum posters, but actually raping and pillaging. When there is so much uncertainty and food insecurity it leads to theft and hoarding.

As far as rain dances...

I'm not convinced. To be convinced I'd have to eliminate the possibility that some shaman didn't simply look at the clouds and decide when to gather people for the rain dance. If the sky was clear and sunny and it started raining out of the blue that would be impressive. But if it were a little cold, grey, etc. then I'd say rain was already coming.

 

[IPXninja]

Using War to generate peace is oxymoronic

"Using War to generate peace is oxymoronic"


It would seem so and yet it comes down to power and what happens in a vaccum. When you create positions of power people tend to want them. The competition over them becomes conflict. If they can't compete againt a bigger predator then there is peace as long as they are too afraid to challenge them. The US had made itself the biggest predator and therefore uses that weight to police the world. However, that too has issues.

But let's look at the smaller scale. We live in the United States. If slavery was left up to the states then we would not know peace because southern states would be trading us back and forth and kidnapping us from northern states. We now have people talking about leaving the union but they're too afraid to fight for it. So that's just one example of fighting for peace. It's necessary because people are corrupted by wealth and power and if you're not willing to fight them then they have a free pass to continue since they aren't going to stop on their own.




It may be an uncomfortable truth but Hitler was indeed popular. The only question is to how who? His popularity may have varied, especially once they started fighting the allied forces but regular German citizens, some even committed suicide in reaction to Hitler's death.

How popular was Hitler in Germany? Did it fluctuate over time? How long after WW2 did it take to reach 0?

Answer (1 of 3): Very popular. But it wasn’t just Germany. It was around the world, especially in the US. Nazi Bunds were organized in the US, and gatherings were normal at the Madison Square Garden in New York. There was even a street called Adolf Hitler Street in New York. The Nazis came to...

www.quora.com

"Yes Whistle blowers like ....Julian Assange"


Wait. I think we need to distinguish between "secret" or "secret program" and "conspiracy".

Conspiracy theory - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Did you see the pictures where HAARP is located? You are an incredibly intelligent and astute guy and I'm not just saying that. Do you really think the most dangerous weapon on earth is THERE?!


"After a successful test there is no longer need for secrecy..."

Of course there is. Just because foreign intelligence sees a big boom on a map doesn't mean they know how to reproduce it or even exactly what caused it. So you still have to protect the technology. If you call it an atom bomb even then you are describing at least some small part of what it is. That's why code names are used like "Manhattan Project".


"Share....then why Patent there discoveries and inventions."

Because the labs and companies making products still have to money to have funding to do more research while paying off their investors. If it was a government research then the money is already coming from the population through taxes. Also, if there is government control that means the government owns the patent and may or may not compete with other governments or private enterprise. But just like weapons, anything that money can be made on is an opportunity for global competition. In most cases, even if it is a communist state their desire for mutual survival doesn't normally extend outside the country. It's only if the threat of not helping other countries could come back to bite.


"You should be Paraniod or Psychotic"

No. You should be balanced. Meaning... ask questions and keep your eyes open but do not assume either good or evil because everyone is capable of both. But it is the capacity for both that makes it difficult for evil to hide. That's why they say the truth always comes out eventually. That's why the government can't create lies they are too afraid of the public ever finding out. Because eventually it will. You mentioned Jullian but he was simply a depot/collector of wistleblower material. This proves my point. If you cannot tell secrets without someone blowing the whistle then it means the more people you have in the conspiracy the faster the secret will get out.

"HAARP was once a Super Secret Facility....just like Area 51 - afterall they are both military installations."

Are sure about that or is that simply what the conspiracy theorists said? We have agencies and scientific research many people don't know or care about. It doesn't mean its secret. It just means it doesn't get a half-time commercial. What the public knows the most are things that have commercial resale value.

https://haarp.gi.alaska.edu/publications

This has publicans about HAARP going all the way back to when it started.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/magazine/1991/11/10/pork-in-the-sky/333efad6-1264-49d2-8fc3-772f5a73036c/

So... not exactly a secret.



"HAARP was and is Funded by DARPA"

So was the internet. The first internet was called (D)ARPANET. There are innovations that happened as a result of government-funded research and similar to "Tony Stark", the military-industrial complex gets a lot of money and so a lot of funds can be gained from it as long as there is a military application. But this doesn't have to be a "Weapon". It could be communications, drones, GPS, super glue, epipen, Jeep, duct tape, etc.

I think even wifi started with defense funding.

"Sura Ionospheric Heating Facility in Vasilsursk Russia and China's SEISMO-electromagnetic Satellite CSES.
Curious the Chinese are using a Seismo satellite????"

https://academic.oup.com/gji/article/192/3/1288/824390#:~:text=Earthquake%20taking%20place%20in%20a,those%20of%20the%20seismic%20waves.

Yes, that's because earthquakes can generate electromagnetic waves. One of the purposes of the satellite is to be able to detect them. I mean... wasn't that the whole plot to the movie Twister? They were trying to figure out how tornados worked and invent a new methodology for early detection. Just because we can detect weather patterns doesn't mean we can change the weather. It simply helps us plan ahead. And if you know an earthquake is going to hit a certain region you can plan and coordinate a response and evacuate people if necessary. It is the government's job to keep its citizen's safe so doesn't it make sense for the government to be involved in detection and not a private company? How would they make money on it?

"I do not consider myself a Conspiracy theorist though I get what they are saying on some issues..."

I don't consider you a conspiracy theorist. You just seem to be responding on their behalf because you agree with some things they say.

 

[frankster]

Word.
Though I feel Panpsychism is closer in my belief.

That's fine.
Though the ancient cultures always hold some places as special...as in sacred

It comes from being cut loose of any connection to the circle of life. That is, that material reductionism answers all questions, ie. all is science and science is all.

All is Mind

If?
What 'we' have constructed goes far beyond any parable found in the Bible. Far beyond the Tower of Babel, far beyond Sodom & Gomorrah and beyond the worship of the Golden Calf.
What I've found saddening for much of my life is that 'we' have long known what 'we' have done and yet have kept escalating it all unto today. While I generally take a stoic view of the absurd stage I wander through what causes me profound grief is that 'we' taking 200 millions of life down with 'we'.
So sad.... the human held such promise.

You underestimate The Capabilities of Science and the selfish cruelty of Man in his quest for Wealth and Power at your own peril

Beyond two it's impossible to maintain an actual conspiracy for long.

Not Impossible....just more problematic.

Common sense........don't find much that these days.

That is True

How does cloud seeding have anything to do with a part of the world that historically has had a monsoon season every year?

Project Controlled Weather - Operation Popeye​

The 1977 Environmental Modification Treaty - ENMOD.

Understanding Relating to Article II
It is the understanding of the Committee that the following examples are illustrative of phenomena that could be caused by the use of environmental modification techniques as defined in Article II of the Convention: earthquakes, tsunamis; an upset in the ecological balance of a region; changes in weather patterns (clouds, precipitation, cyclones of various types and tornadic storms); changes in climate patterns; changes in ocean currents; changes in the state of the ozone layer; and changes in the state of the ionosphere.

It is further understood that all the phenomena listed above, when produced by military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques, would result, or could reasonably be expected to result, in widespread, long-lasting or severe destruction, damage or injury. Thus, military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques as defined in Article II, so as to cause those phenomena as a means of destruction, damage or injury to another State Party, would be prohibited.

It is recognized, moreover, that the list of examples set out above is not exhaustive. Other phenomena which could result from the use of environmental modification techniques as defined in Article II could also be appropriately included. The absence of such phenomena from the list does not in any way imply that the undertaking contained in Article I would not be applicable to those phenomena, provided the criteria set out in that article were met.

https://2009-2017.state.gov/t/isn/4783.htm

Here is a Intro Primer to how earth quakes are created....read below and follow the bread crumps.

2.2. Rheology of Acoustically Fluidized Debris​

The premise of acoustic fluidization is that high-frequency pressure vibrations within a debris mass counteract the ambient overburden pressure, thus reducing the frictional resistance to shear.

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2003JB002465#:~:text=%5B16%5D%20The%20premise%20of%20acoustic,the%20frictional%20resistance%20to%20shear.

The only man made earth quakes I can think of is fracking, draining of oil pools and water aquifers, underground nuke tests. And lately scientists have noted the (man made) melting ice caps have caused some rotational shifts of the earth that I suspect will bring on some quakes.

Then you have committed the cardinal sin of underestimating Science.

Call it what ever; evil spirits or call it ebola or call it covid or call it avian flu, etc etc, it's all semantics.
What material reductionism has given us are the tools to understand the evil spirits more fully, in how they manifest and how to keep them at bay. But that's all the reductionists can do.

To be able to keep it a bay....also implies(in most cases) the ability to set it loose where and when desired - it is the beginning of it being brought under Control.
In Other words if you understand how they manifest....then you can create them - in most cases this is an inevitable eventuality.

 

[frankster]

As far as Gaia theory goes, I love Gaia theory; have so ever since Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within. I even wrote some of it into my own novel.

Never watched or played final fantasy....sounds interesting

But I think people often exaggerate what "Awareness" means.

What does it mean?

For example, you mentioned it like an "itch". THAT... I can agree with. I think we all have to look at Gaia theory according to the scale of the planetary "cell", not according to our own proportional size/viewpoint. To us, we look big. If you were flying overhead you wouldn't even see people. You might see cars. So I'm saying the more you zoom out, to appreciate the sheer scale, the smaller humans become. That doesn't mean our "footprint" is small though.

True if you talking with the naked eye....

Let's say there is a rainforest where the equilibrium has been developed over the ages. A single organism couldn't offset that balance; change the temperature or some other aspect. Therefore, Gaia wouldn't really "Feel" that because feeling anything is relative to the amount of stimuli you're always experiencing like background noise. Just like we tend to focus out the background noise, if you're really high you start to feel and be able to focus on those little things that your mind normally ignores. I think this is why food can taste better for example.

A Virus is comparable to human to earth so is a Virus to human proportionally.....Viruses can bring down a human body - through sheer numbers.

So the point is that consciousness and perception go hand in hand. If you tap me while I'm alert that's one thing. If you tap me while I have headphones on it will be harder to notice. So on the flip side, humans have big egos the size of planets. That's why we think that "God sees us" and we create gods that would see us and who intimately care about us. Of course, now we're coming into an age of enlightenment where most people regardless of religion are starting to come to and embrace the same fundamental concept of collective consciousness; and some, a greater understanding of how and why we create gods, because we are THE God, in a way.

We are a part of God....God is the whole of Existence and every thing in it.
God is Nature....NTR/Neteru....Nature is not just the outdoors but every thing that exist.
Within Existence or God are Forces that Humans can have a Beneficial Relationship with....through the utilization of Science or Spirituality.

But yet... its more like we are the child in the trinity where the Father is the Sun, the Mother/Ruach haKodesh is the Earth, the "womb man", and we are the offspring of both. And I think scientifically, spiritually, and in whatever other ways, this is true.

I concur.

So I do believe the planet, like a cell, is alive. It has energy running all through it, from inside and outside, and energy flowing through a medium, can form pathways and those pathways, if complex enough, can create the structural requirements for intelligence.

Yes

That's what James Cameron was trying to say with his Avatar franchise. But is it an intelligence exactly like ours?

It cannot be

I don't think so. When we think of AI... the first part of it is the logic... the algorithm... still not there yet for AGI (general intelligence) but some possibly believe this was already achieved by Open AI. But still... what they're calling AI is basically an artificial system with the ability to learn. That also takes an incredible amount of processing. So that's the second part. Without this processing, the Earth has millions of years to develop in a different way.

True....but that does not preclude a beneficial relationship with AI for humans.

How I approach it? I would break the problem down into smaller parts and then connect those small parts. We do that with the Internet. It's not alive but it basically contains most of human knowledge. So I don't think Gaia has that.

What then is the Collective Unconscious(Subconscious)? or the Collective Conscious(Superconscious)?

It think this is why Gaia has us. We are those small fractal parts, multiplying and communicating these different experiences, unified through our 5 senses as inputs. And that allows us to be intelligent on a different level.

Ok

And so Gaia doesn't have to judge us. We judge ourselves. Future generations judge older generations. And we'll say, of our past selves, "look at how smart we were" on one hand and "look at how dumb we were" on the other.

Gaia doesn't Judge...Gaia operates along lines of Natural Laws and Principles.
If you are in alignment or accordance with these Laws and Principles then you are Blessed....
If you behave contrary to these Laws and Principles then you are Accursed...
If However you Understand these Laws and Principles then there is the Potential for you to Manipulate them to your desires....Almost Godlike(Science and Spirituality)

It's just like when you said you wouldn't recommend living near a volcano. That's a judgment based on the knowledge that those people probably didn't have. So in the absence of science telling them what was going on... ie. volcano... the only answer they keep getting told is "God."

In that Sense you can substitute God and Science....both are ways of Knowing(Epistemology)

And in order to make sense of the destruction that could have been avoided simply by not living there, humans simply say that God/Gaia planned it.

Cause

But think about it, what if you were a great person and lived near a volcano or in a desert? What if you're a horrible person living near a peaceful coastline? Not only does this set up the biblical scenario where Abraham is asking "peradventure..." what if there's only 50? The inverse question could be asked about a place that is so balanced that it has no natural disasters at all. And then you also have to consider the effect of natural disasters on human morality. Because the more harsher living conditions are the more likely humans are to act harsh towards each other. I'm not talking about being mean like some forum posters, but actually raping and pillaging. When there is so much uncertainty and food insecurity it leads to theft and hoarding.

Disaster can and do bring out the worst or best in humans....but they are many factors at play too much to list.
To a great extent it depends on the Cultural and Social Milieu.

As far as rain dances...

I'm not convinced. To be convinced I'd have to eliminate the possibility that some shaman didn't simply look at the clouds and decide when to gather people for the rain dance. If the sky was clear and sunny and it started raining out of the blue that would be impressive. But if it were a little cold, grey, etc. then I'd say rain was already coming.

The Rain Dance is based in Spirituality...Remember That all things Spiritual is Foremost about Intention Attention and Attunement

Here is how it was explained to me.....A simplified explanation

Water or Water Vapor is ever present in the atmosphere
By dancing we cause dust that raises to the clouds or form clouds...carried there by the winds - This dust is usually invisible to the naked eye.
Here is a secret the Shaman does not watch the clouds but the Winds
These dust Particles attract water vapors that coalesce around the dust Particles then crystalizes....Water Crystals are or can be called Clouds or Frost.
Once a critical mass is reach a chain reaction is started.
Depending on the Strength or attractive water qualities present in the dust...rain forms sooner or later.

The Kenyan African -The Wakamba Kilumi Dance is what led to its Connection but the dance is boring....A much prefer the so called American Indian Rain Dance...and Costumery
Anyway check out the following Rain Queen

Maselekwane Modjadji was the first Rain Queen of the Balobedu people & she could control the rain​

Or maybe you would prefer a scientific explanation...