Black People : "Young People", Toni Morrison and Cornel West.

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  1. skuderjaymes

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    Ever since Cornel West called Amy Goodman a "sister," I turned my ears away.

    Quite naturally, out of respect for you, I listened--but I regret it.

    African people need less analysts and more builders.

    Du Bois over one-hundred years ago wrote on what Cornel called "Materialism" in his fit of 'big words' which Du Bois more accurately called Mammonism.

    In the Black World, the Preacher and Teacher embodied once the ideals of this people,—the strife for another and a juster world, the vague dream of righteousness, the mystery of knowing; but to-day the danger is that these ideals, with their simple beauty and weird inspiration, will suddenly sink to a question of cash and a lust for gold. Here stands this black young Atlanta, girding herself for the race that must be run; and if her eyes be still toward the hills and sky as in the days of old, then we may look for noble running; but what if some ruthless or wily or even thoughtless Hippomenes lay golden apples before her? What if the Negro people be wooed from a strife for righteousness, from a love of knowing, to regard dollars as the be-all and end-all of life? What if to the Mammonism of America be added the rising Mammonism of the re-born South, and the Mammonism of this South be reinforced by the budding Mammonism of its half-awakened black millions? Whither, then, is the new-world quest of Goodness and Beauty and Truth gone glimmering? Must this, and that fair flower of Freedom which, despite the jeers of latter-day striplings, sprung from our fathers’ blood, must that too degenerate into a dusty quest of gold,—into lawless lust with Hippomenes?​
    –W.E.B. Du Bois in “The Souls of Black Folk” 1903 (Emphasis mine)​

    Neither Cornel nor Morrison, bless her heart, could hold a candle to Du Bois and Du Bois was a traitor!

    And I definitely despise the idea of Cornel influencing our youth; despite that he's a Brother.
     
  3. Clyde C Coger Jr

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    In the Spirit of Sankofa,

    .......Welcome to Destee.com, AbSiblings,

    Without hesitation, I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of Cornel West, a good brother nontheless, but I'm not sure why you allow Toni Morrison to escape, so to speak; nothing to say about her claiming Bill Clinton as the first black president, and failure to recant since Mr. Obama now properly holds that address?

    Peace In,


     
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    Brother Clyde Coger,

    I learned from Marcus Garvey to not simply denounce our Brothers and Sisters without knowing them. I do not much know of Toni Morrison besides that I read a book of hers for college and, possibly, didn't get it. If she is the one who denounced Black people by comparing us to some Occidental then I am appalled by her. I thank you for the heads up. I knew some good would come from clicking this thread.

    Hotep!
     
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    In the Spirit of Sankofa,

    .......Very admirable ABSiblings,

    Rotten.com puts it this way, “in a 1998 essay in the New Yorker, author Toni Morrison described Clinton as our first black president, Blacker than any actual person who could ever be elected in our children's lifetime. She went on to say:

    Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald's-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas.

    This is just another reason that the Republicans absolutely hated Clinton. He's getting votes from the minorities just for being poor white trash fercrissakes!"

    Additional source: http://ontology.buffalo.edu/smith/clinton/morrison.html

    Peace In,
     
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    Well, no disrespect to anyone but what are you all talking about? The posted video has nothing to do with the history of the two speakers. I have learned to fall in love with truth no matter what the source is. If it is the truth, then it is the truth. In other words, it is what it is.

    Grant it, yes, both Cornell West and Toni Morrison are outdated and irrelevant on many of their angles, however I understand that and I have no problem with it because it is about time for them both to pass the torch on to a more youthful representative that understands this time. The only person of older age, physically speaking, who is still relevant AND EFFECTIVE is Min. Louis Farrakhan. Other than him, they all need to find a person to pass their torches off to.

    With that being said, the information that was shared in the video was true!!! There is a skipped gradient that we as young people have to retrace and figure out the proper solution because the course that we are currently on leads only to death and destruction.
    Let us please stay relevant to the conversation being discussed. when @skuderjaymes posted this video, i doubt he had in mind to get into their personal biographies and sharing ancient quotes from WEB Dubois. That is all fine and dandy but I am humbly speaking on behalf of the younger people....WHO CARES? After reading the WEB quote, it only reminded me of horrendously, boring writing styles that makes you want to smack him and tell him to K.I.S.S it (Keep it simple stupid). This is one of the main reasons younger people care less about reading these ancient authors. No one wants to decode your old english, shakesperean style mysteries that are considered deep by the academic world but garbage minutia by ray-ray! Speak directly and clearly and we all will be a lot more effective.

    However I do share the ideology that more builders are needed and less talking. I hope this doesn't come over as controversial, but I wanted to keep it real and blunt because the skipped gradient between the older generation and the new generation is lack of proper communication. There is such a tremendous gap that simplicity and bluntness are the only two vehicles that can make our community whole. Peace!

    From, yours truly, MasterDJ 24yrs of age
     
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    African people need less analysts and more builders.
    African people need less analysts and more builders.
    African people need less analysts and more builders.
    Thank you brother, Well said.
     
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    Why would you quote the African-hating murderer Bill Clinton to prove your point? You are descended from the smartest people in the world. I can quote whomever and it should be simple to you.

    As to not including people's biographies? From where do you get this idea? Why would you want to interact with people and not know their histories? You were robbed of your history and now all you want to do is talk about forgetting history? What good does that you?

    And as to truth? What truth? If you know that they are speaking 'truth' then you already know the truth--so why are they speaking? That's my point. You're "twenty-four" and you know the truth. But do you have either Morrison or West money? Do you understand what I am getting at?

    Besides, I do not see what truth these people are making. He claims that we are "Materialist" when truly we are made "Mammonist." That's the truth that you should be registering. These folk are saying that there are flaws with Black folk--that's a lie. The problem isn't 'us' but White folk. When you have White folk paying Black folk to disgrace us on their television, you should worry. Especially when it's masked as 'truth.'

    And please Brother. Respect that people are, out of love, teaching you your history. Because as Dr. Clarke said--I hope that this is "simple" enough--"History is a clock that people use to tell there political and cultural time of day. It is also a compass that people use to find themselves on the map of human geography. History tells a people where they have been and what they have been, where they are and what they are. Most important, history tells a people where they still must go, what they still must be. The relationship of history to the people is the same as the relationship of a mother to her child."

    I would tell you my age--but I don't just put that out like that. ;-)
     
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    I understand and completely agree that history is important and vital to awakening our people, but there is a time and a place for everything.The video that was shared was not intended to get into a discussion of biographies or history. The matter that @skuderjaymes is putting before us is their perception of the youth of today. So all I am saying is lets speak to the matter at hand. I believe that the reason most debates and discussions today are pointless and unsuccessful is because...
    1. When a matter is being discussed the panel wants to answer in the volume of a 300pg book which has so many subtitles and tangents that redirect the true matter at hand. By the time the point is made we forget the original discussion.
    2. The so-called solutions are outdated, or they tend to not have one. They thoroughly diagnose the problem but don't know the solution. If you don't know the solution, then you dont properly understand the fullness of the problem.

    Lastly @AB siblings, lets not forget that white people have and do contribute to the problem but it is deeper than that. We by far, aid them, by contributing to our own problems. 99% of our problems can be solved with our unity and whatever caucasians attempt to do will be insignificant and non-effective. That is another cry that I believe is outdated. White ppl, white ppl, white ppl. Yes they have and are treating us horrifically up until this present moment. However, their world and way of doing things aka so-called civilization is crumbling so hard, and so fast that they can't stop us from doing anything...IF WE WOULD JUST COME TOGETHER! Their world is being wiped out as we speak. Economy falling, super power status being questioned, indebted mainly to China, EU trying to rig the books to stay afloat as we speak, dissatisfaction and unrest in the streets, scandals are being uncovered at an alarming rate, undertones of civil warfare in everyday speech, the earth and nature revolting against them and many more. THEY CAN NOT STOP US. The only thing stopping us now is....OURSELVES!
     
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    The video translated--not verbatim.

    West: We won't get out of the mess we are in [WHAT MESS?] unless we talk to the younger generation. [Please don't]

    Morrison: We need their language to talk to them [Have you never spoken to a young person?] for a whole generation of us never spoken to them [Meaning what?]

    West: Younger people are incredibly creative [This phrase doesn't mean anything], but are locked into materialism [LOCKED?] Now I will use a nonsense phrase after mocking "bling bling" [Thanks]. My phrase is "Paraphanelia of Suffering."

    Morrison shudders thinking: OH MY! You quoted a EuroJew from 1933 rather than Du Bois from 1903. I love your word choice! [I am joking a bit.]

    West: It's a powerful phrase, for I honor not my ancestors but a European [Still joking--I am allowed to--do your own translation if you want.] Still, the younger generation is imitating us [No fool, look, Du Bois wrote it over one-hundred years ago, the year that your Jew was born.] Young people are hard to find non-market things [Possibly, but you are a market speaker so what's your lesson exactly?]

    Morrison: Young people don't know what we are talking about [Because you are lying to them] and we are sexualizing our children on magazine covers [I did not know that any of us owned magazines!!!--Why are you blaming us?]

    West does the creepiest face at the idea of sexualized children. :-| [I'm telling it like it I S is.]

    Morrison: Parents are looking like children looking like parents [Ok--but what?]

    West: It's a sick civilization [I would never call Pirates civilized ;-)] Our children are short-sighted and pathalogical [What the -------------?]

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    Ok--so I translated the whole two minutes. Maybe I'll fix it up and put it on my blog. With more intelligent language, of course. But as to re-watching and dissecting, I can see NO truth. This was just a video to disgrace Black folk.

    Tell me that I am wrong.
     
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