Black People : Young Earth or Old?/Evolution-vs-Creation

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    "The Bible And The Young Age Of The Earth"




    Oldest Living Tree Found in SwedenJames Owen in Stockholm, Sweden
    for National Geographic News

    April 14, 2008
    The world's oldest known living tree, a conifer that first took root at the end of the last Ice Age, has been discovered in Sweden, researchers say.

    The visible portion of the 13-foot-tall (4-meter-tall) "Christmas tree" isn't ancient, but its root system has been growing for 9,550 years, according to a team led by Leif Kullman, professor at Umeå University's department of ecology and environmental science in Sweden.




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    Prehistoric World: Quaternary Period 405-Year-Old Clam Called Longest-Lived Animal (October 29, 2007) Newfound Fossils Reveal Secrets of World's Oldest Forest (April 18, 2007) Discovered in 2004, the lone Norway spruce—of the species traditionally used to decorate European homes during Christmas—represents the planet's longest-lived identified plant, Kullman said.

    The researchers found the shrubby mountain survivor at an altitude of 2,985 feet (910 meters) in Dalarna Province.

    The tree's incredible longevity is largely due to its ability to clone itself, Kullman said.

    The spruce's stems or trunks have a lifespan of around 600 years, "but as soon as a stem dies, a new one emerges from the same root stock," Kullman explained. "So the tree has a very long life expectancy."

    Radiocarbon Dating

    Bristlecone pines in the western United States are generally recognized as the world's oldest continuously standing trees.

    The most ancient recorded, from California's White Mountains, is dated to around 5,000 years ago.



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    Prometheus (aka WPN-114) was the nickname given to the oldest known non-clonal organism, a Great Basin Bristlecone Pine (Pinus longaeva) tree growing near the tree line on Wheeler Peak in eastern Nevada, USA. The tree, which was at least 4862 years old and likely approaching or over 5000 years, was cut down in 1964 by a graduate student and U.S. Forest Service personnel for research purposes. They did not know of its world-record age before the cutting (see below). However, the circumstances and decision making process leading to the felling of the tree remain controversial, with different extant versions regarding the decision to cut the tree; not all of the basic facts are agreed upon by all involved.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus_(tree)
     
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    Methuselah is an ancient 4,800 year old Great Basin Bristlecone Pine - Pinus longaeva tree growing high in the White Mountains of Inyo County in eastern California.


    Geography

    The ancient tree is named after Methuselah, a Biblical figure reputed to have lived 969 years. It is growing at 2,900–3,000 m (9,500–9,800 ft) above sea level in the "Methuselah Grove" in the "Forest of Ancients" in the Inyo National Forest. Methuselah's exact location is undisclosed as a protection against vandalism

    ......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methuselah_(tree)
     
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    Are the governments of the world as well as the present day clergy,
    hiding evidence that hunaity and mankind may nnot be the most intelliegent beings on this panet and there may be life forms more intellegent on this planet,
    long before the first African homo sapien sapien?

    In other words some other life form?

    Michael Cremo (Forbidden Archaeology) has some evidence
    www.mcremo.com

    there was a sphere, a grooved sphere of an unknown metal found in SA carbon dated a billion years

    gold chains and silver vases found in coal,

    stones with pieces of machinery imbedded in them dated millions of years ago

    letters found in chalk deposits, before the time of the dinosaurs

    Are we realy living in a "Matrix"?

    or "Dark City" or what Plato called
    "The Cave?"



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    My “Top Five” Reasons for Believing in a Young Earth (Part 1 of 6)

    Posted by jlwile on May 24, 2009
    ...There is simply no way for a committed evolutionist to look at the data related to the age of the earth openly and honestly. After all, the “magic formula” for evolution is:

    random change + natural selection + billions of years = people

    Thus, an evolutionist is forced to believe in a billions-of-years-old earth. There is simply no other alternative, as there is simply no other way to construct an evolutionary scenario for the life that we see on this planet. As a result, any data that indicate a young age for the earth must simply be dismissed. Period. End of discussion. This is not a scientific approach to the data. Committed evolutionists, then, simply cannot evaluate data related to the age of the earth in any meaningful scientific way.
    Now, of course, there are creationists who also cannot evaluate the data related to the age of the earth in any meaningful way. Any creationist who thinks Scripture requires you to believe in a young earth is just as unqualified as a committed evolutionist when it comes to evaluating the data related to the age of the earth. After all, like the committed evolutionist, a creationist who thinks that an orthodox member of his or her faith mustbelieve in a young earth is just as biased as the committed evolutionist. As a result, any data that indicate an ancient earth must be dismissed. Period. End of discussion. Once again, this means that such a creationist cannot be trusted to evaluate the data related to the age of the earth in any meaningful way.
    Most reasonable creationists, however, are not forced into any preconceived notion about the age of the earth. For example, a Christian or Jewish creationist who has spent any serious time trying to understand what the first few chapters of Genesis tell us will understand that there are several possible orthodox interpretations for the events recounted therein. As a result, a reasonable Christian or Jewish creationist need not be committed to either a young earth or an old earth. Creationists such as these are really the only people who are qualified to address the age of the earth from a scientific perspective.
    When you strip away your biases (as much as is humanly possible), then, what does science tell you? Overall, I think it tells you the following:

    If the earth is billions of years old, there are a myriad of natural processes (some of which we have been studying in detail for hundreds of years) that we simply do not understand. However, if the earth is on the order of thousands of years old, there are only a few natural processes that we don’t understand, and most of them are processes we have not been studying for long.

    As a result, it seems to me that the most scientifically reasonable belief is that the earth is on the order of thousands of years old. As I continue this line of posts, I will detail five of the processes that are easily understood in a young-earth framework but are utterly mysterious in an old-earth framework. I hope you find it all as fascinating as I do!
    http://blog.drwile.com/?p=68
     
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    My “Top Five” Reasons for Believing in a Young Earth (Part 2 of 6)

    Posted by jlwile on June 2, 2009

    .... it is time to discuss the major data that lead me to believe in a young earth. The first issue is the phenomenon of planetary magnetic fields. We all know that the earth has a magnetic field. It’s what makes the Boy Scout compass needle point north. If we look at the other bodies in the solar system (planets and moons), some have magnetic fields, while others do not. Mars, for example, has no planetary magnetic field. It has some residual magnetism (which is important), but there is no significant planetary magnetic field. Mercury, on the other hand, has a magnetic field (which is also important).
    Scientists have been studying the earth’s magnetic field since 1835, and since that time, its strength has been decaying. Also, it appears that at least a few times in the past, its poles have reversed. Most likely, then, at some points in the past, the Boy Scout compass needle pointed south.

    What causes the earth’s magnetic field? ...


    ...http://blog.drwile.com/?p=82
     
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    My “Top Five” Reasons for Believing in a Young Earth (Part 3 of 6)

    Posted by jlwile on June 13, 2009
    ....Moving on, I would like to discuss the next set of data that leads me to believe in a young earth: dendrochrology. This is just a fancy word for counting tree rings, and it probably represents the most reliable way to date things for which there is no historical date available. This reasonably accurate dating method once again gives us strong evidence for a very young earth.

    Let’s start with the basics. In the spring, a tree does a lot of growing, since conditions are ideal for such activity. As a result, the new wood is not very dense. As spring turns to summer and summer to autumn, growth slows down. As a result, the wood becomes more dense. A typical turn of the seasons, then, produces light, not-so-dense wood followed by dark, dense wood. This produces a visible ring. Thus, in general, each year results in a ring. So if you cut down a tree, by counting the rings, you can determine how old the tree is:
    ....http://blog.drwile.com/?p=108
     
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