Black Spirituality Religion : You must be prepared to suffer for your sins

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  1. dattaswami1

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    You must be prepared to suffer for your sins

    In the Hindu religion, astrologers and priests must also realize the truth. By worshipping planets and deities, the results of bad deeds cannot vanish and the results of good deeds that are not done by you, cannot be achieved. God (Parabrahma) pervading all these planets and deities internally, is Lord Datta (God, the contemporary Human Incarnation) and He alone should be worshipped. The fan cannot move without the electric current. The light bulb cannot glow without the electric current flowing through it. The fan and the light bulb are like planets and deities. The electric current is Lord Datta. In other religions, the same current is named as Jehovah or Allah. The Veda says “Bheeshodeti” i.e., the sun shines only by the energy and fear of God. The Veda (Kena Upanishad) says that the power behind all deities is God alone.

    So, all these astrologers and priests should be converted into Sadgurus, who preach about Lord Datta. They can also take some money (Guru Dakshina) from the people for their livelihood and there is nothing wrong in it because they are standing for the truth and are giving real help to all the people who believe them. But they should make one thing clear that only Lord Datta can really protect you by taking your sins on Him. He will undergo the punishments for your sake. Except for this way, there is no other way to escape from your sins.

    At the same time, you must not expect Lord Datta to take your sins. You must be prepared to suffer for your sins and still continue to worship Him without aspiring for anything in return from Him. You must prove your love by your practical participation in His service. Worship should not be done with mere mind and words.

    Instead of worshipping Lord Datta (Sadguru), if you worship planets and deities with selfish desires, your bad results will only be postponed to the later part of this life or your next life. You will have to suffer them later and that too with added interest. The good results that were to be enjoyed in the next life are dragged to the present life with reduced values due to your rituals and selfish worship. They reduce in value like prematurely encashed bank deposits. As a result, your next life is going to be miserable; full of difficulties from birth to death with hardly any good result.
     
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    What do you mean when you say "sin"?

    What is the step-by-step process for someone "suffering" their sins?

    Thank you in advance for answering these questions.
     
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    I am going to presume the definition of sin to be selfish action taken with the intent to fulfill the will of the ego, as opposed to seflless action taken to fulfill Divine Will. And, note, my intentional decision as to when to capitalize the 's' in self. The Spirit is Self. The flesh is self.

    The concept of karma is not unique to any religion. As did Lord Krishna, Jesus taught the underlying principles of karma and reincarnation, although you would never figure that out by attending sunday morning worship services. It is instructive to study, carefully, what Jesus teaches Nicodemus about needing to be born again in the 3rd chapter of the gospel of John. Every christian knows about John 3:16. Few understand that a few words earlier, in John 3:13, and again in Luke 17:21, Jesus proves the error of their pastor's teachings regarding them dying and going to a _place_ called heaven.

    Experiencing the consequences of sin in this life and future incarnations, karma, is the training process, the bootcamp, within which men evolve from being sinners [mortal] to being "saved" [immortal]. Contrary to what is taught on sunday morning, getting "saved" requires more than just parroting the Sinner's Prayer.

    Jesus summarized the entire plan for salvation when he said "Ye Must Be Born Again".

    "Man, being made in the image of God, is deluded only temporarily. This temporary delusion leads him to think of himself as mortal. So long as he identifies with mortality he must suffer." -- Paramhamsa Yogananda
     
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    Definition of Sin

    Definition of Sin
    A soul is beaten in the hell and the servants of Yama say “why have you done this deed which is not liked by God?” They will not say “why have you done this sin?” Anything that is not liked by God is a sin. By itself a sin is not a sin, because it is a feeling, which is a wave of awareness and is completely unreal. Hurting any soul, especially a believer in God is the basis of sin according to God. Punishment with an attitude to change the soul is exempted from this concept. There should be no trace of revenge in punishment. If the soul is realized and changed, do not think of revenge. Jesus told that if you punish others for their sins, God shall punish you also for your sins. Punishment of a student by a teacher is not a sin, because it is for his change and upliftment only. The same aim exists when God punishes the souls.

    The Lord says in the Gita that the divine Knowledge alone pleases Him (Jnaya Yajnena…). He says that it is greater than Svadhya yajna and Dravya yajna. Svadhyaya yajna means simple recitation of hymns without any enquiry into their meaning. Dravya yajna means sacrifice of wealth. But the Gita praises that sacrifice of wealth or fruits of work (Karmaphalatyaga ...) is highest (Dhyanat Karmaphalatyagah…). There is no clash here. Dravya yajna represents sacrifice of wealth to undeserving or improper receiver or putting wealth in fire which is foolishness as stated by Kapila in Bhagavatam. Donating to temples based on the statues is climax of foolishness because the priests and management are not even the scholars of the Vedas and Shastras.

    The priest is for his livelihood like a labourer and the management spends for unnecessary items and wastes the wealth due to lack of complete spiritual knowledge. The Government is taking that wealth and is using for social services, which are to be done by the public revenues only. The statue is not enjoying even an iota of your wealth. The temple should be a place of propagation of divine knowledge and devotion. The scholars and devotees should be maintained by such donated wealth to prorogate about God. But theses temples have become business-centers to solve the problems of devotees. Ofcourse, it is inevitable in the beginning stage (Sarvarambhahi…Gita) but the propagation of right divine knowledge should be the main program of temples, which should be run by scholars only.
     
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    God and salvation are right here

    God and salvation are right here

    The Lord appears as a human incarnation in order to make Himself available to our direct perception. Thus He satisfies the Vedic statement 'yat sak?at aparok?at brahma, which means that the Lord is available to direct perception right here. The bhagavad gita also says the same thing; “manu?i? tanumasritam. When the Lord takes human form, it is important to recognize Him as the Lord. Prophet Mohammed gave thirty three signs to identify the human incarnation of the Lord. Thus actually Islam also accepts the human incarnation of God although the prevalent form of the religion is averse to this concept. When these signs are followed the human incarnation can be identified and the statements of the scriptures which assert the direct perception or pratyak?a prama?a are satisfied. People cannot accept God right in front of them owing to their ego and jealousy.

    They try to place God in some other world and some later time (after death). These are people with a lower maturity. The mature people who have conquered their ego and jealousy accept God in human form in this world. The ?gveda says ihacetavedit atha satyamasti na cetmahati vina??i, which means, “That which is here is true. That which is not here is not true”. The acceptance of the Lord right here, available to direct perception is desirable as it satisfies a scientist or a rationalist too. Science is based on direct perception as the means to establish the validity or existence of a statement or an entity. From the above discussion, God in human form is not an obscure, unverifiable entity. He is available here and now for direct perception. 'yat sak?at aparok?at brahma means that God is here itself. He is not to be known through some other medium of questionable validity but by direct perception. The statement that God is here, does not mean that every individual soul is God. The individual soul is certainly different from God. However God has taken up a particular human body and lives among us.

    Salvation is freedom from all worldly bonds. It is also here. It is not in some other world. In this world we have a lot of attachments. These bonds with other souls and material things impede our salvation. All such bonds are temporary and changing. Today we are attached to some person and tomorrow to someone else. Salvation consists in breaking all such temporary bonds. This is achieved by developing and nurturing the single permanent bond with God. In no relation, or no action performed for any other soul here, is there permanence. By attaching to God alone can one free oneself from all the temporary bonds of the world.

    The soul is made of the life energy or the superior energy called para prak?ti. The para prak?ti is a drop in the ocean of the totality of the superior energy called the para sakti or maya. The para sakti is the Power of the Lord. It gives rise to Creation. The individual soul has attachments to other souls which are also para prak?ti. Additionally it also has attachments with material things which are a grossified (inert) form of the para prak?ti called as apara prak?ti. The apara prak?ti includes all inert objects such as wealth, land, house, cars and so on. Now the individual soul is in this world. It has bonds to other souls and to inert objects, which are both in this world. The breaking of these bonds is also in this world. Therefore salvation is in this world. It is here and now. It is not after death, in some other unknown world.
     
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    What is "Sin" ?

    Hotep

    Sin is a most deceitful term that is only used among those who have excepted a mind set outside of the "Natural Order of Things" that is your "Natural Spirituality" that you were born with...for...man made "Concoctions" of trickery that are only used to confuse the "Masses" of ignorant followers into excepting the "Culture of Death" that is every thing that is "Corruption"...called "Religions".

    Corruption only, only and only goes down hill! There is no redeeming value in any thing that is "Corruption"...meaning any thing that is taken out of its "Original-Nature" for what ever the reason. We can not concoct our own fabrications as all "Religions" have done and expect any out come other than what we have "Always" seen...hence...all of the "Wars" fought through out time have been fought over..."Religions"!

    There has never been in the history of the Earth...a war fought over or for "Spirituality"...but only over/for man made ideas for "Control" of the "Masses" of people to satisfy the hunger for power, greed and ill gotten wealth. So how does one keep what they have stolen? Create a "Religion" and teach it to the oppressed captive "Children" and soon they will think..."You must know what you are talking about"!?!

    Sin is a "Trick" to keep you from Knowing your self as you should...and place your focus in the ones who are telling you that you are a born sinner...so you will depend on them...to tell you how not to sin and further get instructions from them on how to save your so-called... sinful soul...through creatures they made up!!

    Look around you...past, present and future...and the outcome has always been the same..."War"..."War" and more "War"! In the name of some G-d and all the supporting creatures they made up and gave to you...to follow and worship...but they practice nothing...but "Hypocrisy"...and do not or ever under any circumstances...practice what "They" preach...hence every one of them are at "War" today...blowing up and killing each other as you read this.

    The biggest and only... so-called "Sin" that you indigenous so-called Blacks are making now...and have been making is you... following and worshiping the False images of divine given to you by your enemy that has trick you out of your own mind...that is your Culture and "Spirituality"!

    Hence...no matter what you do or say...outside of your illusions that you are required to "Believe" and have "Faith" in...you are lost and always end up back in the same place you started and will never "Liberate" yourself...as long as you continue to embrace the anti-culture of "War", slavery, suffering and Death...and its symbol you ware around your neck...called the Cross or any of the others you have chosen...that only represents your destruction and self destruction.

    There was...no such thing as "Sin" in Kemet or todays so-called Africa. Every one knew what was expected of them...until the coming of the filthy "Invaders" who stole your "Legacy"...and stole your "Mind" and today have you secretly worshiping the "System of White Supremacy" that they hid safely in all the "Religions" that only they have made up to "Rule" over "YOU"!! And also only they control the tourist trade to these so-called holy places. Why are none of them located in so-called Africa?

    You are not a born "Sinner" you are the children of the "Most - High" who have become "Lost" and have "Forgotten" who you are. Wake Up! Know Yourself...Do MA`AT...and Live!

    Ase`


    Note: Don't take any ones word...do your own research and verify everything for yourself... and know for your self...this is the Kemetic way...the way of your...Divine Ancestors...who stands to welcome you back home...to your own indigenous Spirituality.
     
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    Intention of sin and the subsequent result




    Intention of sin and the subsequent result

    Gita says that the concept of cycle of deeds is complicated (Gahana Karmano Gatih…). The action or deed by itself is inert without the intention of mind and has no result. When you are walking on the road, an ant may be accidentally killed under your foot. There is no sin for this deed because the intention of mind (samkalpa) is not there. Suppose you have intention to kill the ant and subsequently kill it. This is a deed associated with mind and hence will have the full punishment.

    Suppose you have the intention to kill the ant but some how the deed is not successful due to miraculous escape of ant, you will have half of the punishment for the intention. Since the effect of your intention is not received by the ant, the other half of the punishment is cancelled. Therefore, action without intention has no fruit. Action with intention has full fruit. The intention without action has half fruit. Why should you enjoy the half fruit for your intention when the action is not materialized?


    No good deed can cancel the bad deed.

    I will give you a small example.


    A daughter-in-law is serving her mother-in-law or father-in-law. The service is inevitable. If the service is done with good intention by treating the father-in-law as father or mother-in-law as mother, the good fruit in heaven is fully enjoyed. Suppose the daughter-in-law serves them sincerely due to unavoidable circumstances and scolds them with hatred in mind, what is the result? The good fruit in heaven is reduced to half and half bad fruit appears in the hell for the bad intention.

    The good fruit of good deed can never cancel the bad fruit of bad deed. Fruits of goods deeds and bad deeds have to be enjoyed separately. If you create a provision to cancel a bad deed by doing a good deed, every one will commit sins by emotion and then will try to cancel the sins later on by doing good deeds. Therefore, when the Priest says that by doing a ritual, all your sins are destroyed, it is a point of climax of ignorance. No good deed can cancel the bad deed.

    Kauravas(demons) had ninety nine per cent sins and one per cent good deeds. They went to heaven first to enjoy the little good deeds and went to hell later on to enjoy the major bad deeds. Pandavas(devotees) are vice-versa and hence went to hell first and then to heaven later on. In both cases, mutual cancellation is not exhibited as we see in the Mahabharata (Swargarohana parva). Now, I pity the daughter-in-law who has sincerely served the in-laws but went to hell simply for the sake of bad intention. The daughter-in-law who has not served in-laws with bad intention goes to permanent hell. The daughter-in-law who has served her in-laws sincerely but had bad intention in her mind goes to both hell and heaven separately. The daughter-in-law who has served her in-laws with good intention thinking them as her own parents has gone to permanent heaven. The daughter-in-law who has good intention in her mind to serve her in-laws will some how serve them directly or indirectly and will not go to hell.
     
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    Corruption only...leads to Destruction*

    The Original un-twisted...QUOTE=Moorfius

    Sin is a most deceitful term that is only used among those who have excepted a mind set outside of the "Natural Order of Things" that is your "Natural Spirituality" that you were born with...for...man made "Concoctions" of trickery that are only used to confuse the "Masses" of ignorant followers into excepting the "Culture of Death" that is every thing that is "Corruption"...called "Religions".

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    Hotep

    Why do some continue to defend something that is corrupt? The answer is...they are soo far off from the Natural Order of Things or Universal Laws that they can't think or see straight if they wanted to. The practice in perversion or any bad habits will always become the essence of a corrupted nature...that un-knowingly...is in line for extinction.

    You can't turn a sows ear into a gold plate...and that is to say..."There is no redeeming value what so ever in a thing that is corrupt...it will be destroyed and replaced with something pure". "Corruption Only Goes Down Hill"! Hence...the corrupt...system of white supremacy...that is the system of in-justice...must and will be destroyed and replaced with the pure system of Justice".

    The preaching, teaching, promoting, practicing of the false system of Corruption, Confusion, Illusion, Filth, Perversion, Racism and War...that is the Conversion to any (Religion) thing outside of the path of universal laws in nature's Spirituality...is the embracing of the Culture of Death that has no place to continue to Exist in the universal order of things...and is doomed to its own "Self Destruction".

    The promoters of the false concept of "Sin" are in violation of truth themselves...and there for are "Corrupt"...and will always twist the truth to try and justify the lie to make their weak point...that is worthless in deed.

    Question every thing, Challenge every thing, Do your own... research and verification of every thing...know your self and do...MA`AT and Live!

    Ase`
     
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    Why there is a gap between Bad deed and its fruit?

    Suffering is the fruit of our previous sin, but why Lord delay the suffering, which some times do not make the soul understand that it is because of the particular activity that he is now suffering, in that case he may still do the old sin again?
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    Ans) If there is a possibility of the change in the soul by immediate suffering of the sin, God certainly grants the punishment here itself immediately after the sin. When such hope is absent, God postpones the punishments so that his short span of life may be free so that one day or other he may digest the divine knowledge and transform. The human life is very short and also is very rare. Let this short human life be engaged in the service of God with out any disturbance.

    If punishments are given immediately, no time is left to serve God and please Him. When the examinations are near and if a student is to be punished for a crime, a good principal postpones the enquiry to a day after the examinations so that the little time left over may be properly used. After the examinations the student has lot of time to face the enquiry and under go the punishment. This shows the kindness and best administration of the principal.
     
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    Suffering the consequences of sins is not ‘bad’. It redeems us. All have sinned and fallen short; therefore the suffering sets our Karma back to Normal. Whatever that is….
     
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