Black Spirituality Religion : Yes...Jesus Was A Muslim.

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  1. Ralfa'il

    Ralfa'il Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    ...twas getting a little too crowded in that other thread.



    OCEOLO

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    You're confusing a name with a concept.

    Islam is just the Arabic name for the CONCEPT of sumbitting and serving the Creator.


    People with testicles and penises have existed since the beginning of humanity, no?

    But the name "man" is an IndoEuropean word and didn't exist 2000 years ago.

    So do we say man didn't exist prior to 2000 years ago?




    Men who sired children and raised them existed since humanity.

    But the word "father" is an Anglo/Germanic word that didn't exist 1000 years ago.

    So do we say fathers didn't exist, 2000 years ago?



    Even the words "book" & "writing" are IndoEuropean words for the same concepts of graphically communicating that have existed since the begging of humanity.

    Those who practiced it didn't call it "writing" or what they wrote "books"...they had another name for it.
    But the name still applies as long as it's in line with the concept.


    Well...

    The same is said of Jesus being a Muslim.

    A Muslim is one who submits to the will and commandments of the Creator (Yawheh, Allah, Ra, Olodumare, Whoever you call Him).

    If Jesus submitting himself to the Creator and asked others to do so, he was a Muslim.







    Again.

    Monotheism was ESTABLISHED from the begninning of humanity and people STRAYED away from it and began worshipping their leaders, their dead ancestors, and nature.

    You still find people doing this.

    Religion means to "revive, bring back, return".

    Good religion RETURNS you to worshipping the One true Creator.

    Islam is that religion; it turns you to worshiping the Creator and the Creator ALONE.
    You don't have to go through saints, the blood of a crucified savior, or dead ancestors just to achieve salvation.

    Judaism, like Christianity are just a few of the established religions that attempt to RETURN humanity back to their original nature of worshipping their Creator.

    So monotheism didn't come from Judaism...Judaism came from monothiesm.

    Monothiesm is Islam itself.
     
  2. oceolo

    oceolo Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    You are correct in say their was always only one God but of the religons we have now Judaism is the first to believe in one God. Where does it say that Jesus was a Muslim? Jesus was a jew born from a jewish mother he lived in Israel and spoke only to jewish people for the most part so how can he be a anything but jewish?
     
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    Historically, this is not correct.

    There were numerous ancient spiritual systems that practiced the understanding and belief in one Creator.
     
  4. Ralfa'il

    Ralfa'il Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Oceolo



    Judaism isn't the first religion to believe in One God.

    Judaism is only 2500 years old and is a religion that was developed in Babylon while the Children of Israel were held captive there.

    So many people who weren't Israelites were interested in practicing their faith, they had to come up with a new religion that incorporates all those willing to accept it.

    This is how Judaism came into existance.

    You rarely read the word "Jew" in the Old Testament...they were called Israelites.





    Again bro, you're reading an ENGLISH TRANSLATION of the bible, not the original Hebrew.

    Ofcourse you're not gonna find the word "Islam" or "Muslim" in the English translation.

    Like you don't find his real name "Issa" in the English translation...Europeans call him Jesus.

    You don't find Jesus mother being called "Mirium" in the English translation....she'd called Mary.

    You don't find her husband "Yusef" in the English translation...he's called Josepth.

    People switched the original names during the translation.


    But you will find the word "Allah" all through out the Bible in it's original Hebrew form.

    Ever heard of the term "Elahim"?

    Christians and Jews in the Middle East still call God Allah.



    Ofcourse Jesus was a Jew.

    Who can deny this?
     
  5. IssaEl21

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    English Is The Devil Language

    Ques ; Where Does The Word English Come From ?
    Ans ; The Word English Come out of the word Angel . The Letter '' A '' Was Exchanged For The Letter '' E '' The Word Angel Is Middle English , From Old English Engel Or Old French Angele , Both From Late Latin Angelus , From Late Greek Angelos , From Greek , Messenger . According To The American Heritage Dictionary , English Is From Anglicize , Which Is From Middle English , From Old English Englisc , From Engle , The Angles . The Word English Is A Grafted Word .


    It Is A Combination Of The Word Angle , Which Were Germanic People And The Word Ish Meaning '' Belonging To '' That Means That The English Belongs To The Gemans . Germ - Man , Man With The Disease Or Who Carries The Germs So The Combination Of The Word Angle And Ish - Give Angleish Or English . They Have You Calling Then Angels And You Don't Even Know It . English Is Germanic Language Which Is A Branch Of The Indo - European Language Family . Indo - European , As Well As Indo - Aryan Goes Back To The Sanskrit Language , Which Is Language Of The 200 Fallen NETERU ( Hindus ) . Indo Is Simply Short Indian , And Who Were These Angles ? The Angles Were A Germanic People Who , Together With The Saxons And Jutes Invaded The Island Of Briton In The Fifth Century From Schleswig - Holstein . These Angles Or Anglo People Were Tall , Blonde Haired , And Blue Eyed . The Word Jute Us From Middle English Jutes ; The Jutes , From Medieval Latin Lutae [ Bengali Jhuuo , From Sanskrit , Twisted Hair , Probabyly Of Dravidian Origin .



    Do You Hear The Word Judas ( Jew , The Betrayer ) ? Do You See Hitler's Ideal Race ? Do You See The Relation Between Berth ( Brit And British ) . The Aramic ( Hebrew ) Word For Covenant And Britain ? None Of These Are Coincidences ? The NewLand They Made For Themselve Was Called Anglo - Saxon Or For Short , Angle . Land , Which Was Later Pronounced England . And Their Language Is What We Are Calling Today , Old English . So When You Are LQQKing In The Dictionary . Which Should Rightly Be Called A Definitionary , And See '' Old English '' , These arethe people from which it came . As Can See The '' E '' Was Dropped At The End Of The Word Angle And An '' O '' Was Added . This Was Often Done In The English Language . Before The Year 1066 A.D. On ly A Few Word Had Been Borrowed From French . Since Then . Tens Of Thousand Of French Word Have Entered The English Language , Such As The Word '' Very '' Just As In Any Other Language , English Has Dialects And Different Words Are Applied To The Same Object Such As The Following Word.



    British American
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    The British Also The '' R's From Their Make Not That In Such Word That End In
    Word Such As Lord And Proniunce It Or '' In American English , End With An
    Laud Our '' Such As The Words Color And
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    English Started Out As A Letters With A Hard Sound Much Like The German And Greek Language Of Today . That Is What Is Called Old English - Mere Grunting Sounds . The Language Finally Evolved Into What It Is Today . English Is The Most Widely Used Language In Every County , World Leaders Had Planned To Have The Entire World Speaking English , The Only Other Language That Is Widely Recognized Like English Is Spanish . Speaking English , Spanish , French And Various Other European Tongues Have Helped To Enslave The Minds And Bodies Of The People Of The World . The English Language Is A Tool Of The Luciferians To Keep You Trapped .
    Ques ; Could You Define The Word Luciferian ?
    Ans ; According To The American Heritage Dictionary , Luciferian Derives From The Word Lucifer Meaning ;



    Lu - ci - fer ( loo se - far ) n 1 . The Archangel cast from heaven for leading the revolt of the angels; Satan . 2 . The planet Venus in it appearance as the morning star . 3 . lucifer . A friction match [ Middle English , from Old English . morning star . Lucifer , from Late Latin Lucifer , from Latin morning star , light - bringer ; lix. luc . light ; see leuk - below+ fer , - fer ]
    leul - .Important derivatives are ; light 1 . luminary , luminous , illuminate , lunar , lunatic , luster illustrate , lea lucid , elucidate translucent , lynx .
    leuk -Light , brightness I . Basic form * leuk - 1 . Suffixed form * leuk - to , a Light , from Old English leoht, liht , light ; B, LIGHTNING , from Old English lihtan



    to shine , from Germanic * leuht - jan , to make light . Both a and b from Germanic * leuhtam . 2 . Unsuffixed form * leuk - LUCINA . LUCULENT , LUX ; LUCIFER ,
    ( LUCIFERIN ) . FROM lATIN LUX , LIGHT , 3 . Suffixed form * leuk - smen - LIMN ,
    LUMEN , LUMINARY , LUMINOUS; ILLUMINATE .PHILLUMENIST , from Latin limen , light , opening . 4 . Suffixed form *leuk - sna - LUNA, LUNAR , LUNATE LUNATIC , LUNE . LUNULA ; SUBLUNARY , from Latin luna , moon . 5 . Suffixed form * leuk - stro -a LUSTER , ( LUSTRUM ) . from Latin lustrum , purifcation ; b . ILLUSTRATE , from Latin lustrae , to purify , illuminate .6. Suffixed form * leuko - dhro - LUCUBRATE , from Latin lucubrare , to work by lamplight 7 . Suffixed form * leuk - o LEUKO - from Greek leukos , clear , white ll, O-grade form * louk - 1. Suffixed form * louk - o - a . LEA , from Old English le ah , meadow ( < '' place where light shines '' ) from Germanic * lauhaz ; b . LEVIN , from Middle English Levin lighting from Germanic * lauh - ubni - 2 . Suffixed ( iterative ) form * louk - eyo - LUCENT . LUCID ;



    ELUCIDATE . NOCTILUCA . PELLUCID . RELUCENT , TRANSLUCENT , from Latin luce 're , to shine lll . Zero grade form * luk - 1. Suffixed form * luk - sno , LINK2 LYCHNIS , From Greek lukhnos , lamp . 2 . LYNZ OUNCE2 , from Greek lunx , lynx ( as if from its shining eyes) attributed by some to this root ( but more likely of obscure origin )
     
  6. Ralfa'il

    Ralfa'il Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Issa

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    I'm reading a lot of good information in your post, do me a favor and start a thread on it so we can further analyze..
     
  7. river

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    Number one, Jesus is not dead.

    Our sins separate us from God and because God is holy he cannot just overlook them. The wages of sin is death, not remedial good works, so God is the only one who could pay the price for our sin and live. But how could God pay the price for man unless He became a man.

    Whenever the seed of man joins with a woman a created spirit enters the developing body of the baby. In Christ's case God put His own spiritual seed into the woman so the result is fully God and fully man. And fully capable of paying the price for man's sin. Nothing spooky about it. A lot of Muslims mistakenly believe that Christians worship three God's. There is only ONE God.

    Jesus said of Himself "He who believes in Me has eternal life. He who does not believe shall never see life but the wrath of God abides with him."
     
  8. Nat Turner

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    Correct me if I’m wrong but if Jesus did not actually exist then how could he be a Muslim? If we are speaking from the parameters of the biblical text? But if we are not then how could some one who did not actually exist be a Muslim?

     
  9. Ralfa'il

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    Peace


    What are you telling me for?



    I'm not sure of your concept of the Almighty...

    But if you knew that God is omnipotent like I do, then you would know that God can do anything.

    He doesn't have to dress Himself down in human flesh just to save those He created.




    Actually, the bible says that the Holy Spirit impregnatated Mary, not the "Father".

    But then if you believe that the Holy Spirit is God too, as well as Jesus...then you don't believe there is only one God...but 3.


    Don't tell me, tell the Pagans and Heathens running around here calling themselves "God".






    Nat

    Respect

    You're absolutely correct...if he didn't exist then he couldn't be anything.

    But I believe the person who is commonly refered to as Jesus DID exist regardless of his actual name.
     
  10. oceolo

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    PREACH RIVER !!!

    Everyone should pay attention to what river wrote.
     
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