Black Spirituality Religion : Ye are NOT gods....ptII

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    We've already looked at Psalms 82

    "1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. 2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. 3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. 4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. 5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. 6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. 7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. 8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations. "

    And established the fact that in this verse the word "gods" was refering to beings within the congreation of the Al Mighty.
    The "sons of God" or the "heavenly hosts"....if you will.....that were being judged by Him, not humanity where were talked of separately.

    God tells these beings that they will die "like men".

    So obviously they weren't men to begin with.



    But where did this idea that humans could achieve "god status" simply through acquiring knowledge originate?


    According to the Bible (for those who believe).

    In Genesis chapter 3 we read:

    "1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. 6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. 7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons."

    Well first of all, there had to be other "gods" around for the woman and man to see and admire in order for them to desire to be like them. Obviously THEY weren't gods...yet atleast...or else Satan wouldn't have been able to tempt them with the promise of being gods.

    I advise you to read up on the history of Angels, Jinn, and the Cherubim.



    The second thing we notice is that Satan didn't promise the woman that she would be GOD...no..no..no....

    They both understood that they'd never be the Al Mighty because there was only One. But she figured she and her man could be exalted to such an extent that they'd be superior to what they were presently and transform themselves into gods or as the gods that they obviously observed in thier environment.




    And look how Satan promised her that they'd be as "gods" and having what...knowledge.

    Satan always seems to attribute the gaining of knowledge with becoming divine.

    He never tells you that you have to be born a god, he tells you you can "study" your way into god hood by seeking knowledge.
    Just like white men claim that since we "evolved" from apes into humans; we can all eventually "evolve" from humans to gods.

    Well hell, if that's the case then most doctors and scientist would be gods living longer and much happier than the rest of humanity, but obviously they're not.

    You can eat an entire encyclopedia and wash it down with some alphabet soup if you want, you'll never be a god because you weren't born or created to be one.
    It's not in your nature.

    Ofcourse we should study, and most importantly UNDERSTAND what we're studying...but never overstep your boundaries by believing you're something your not.

    All it takes is one family tragedy or illness to not only put you right back in your place, but often leave you in a state of confusion worse than you were originally.



    Finally....

    Isn't it funny that just like Satan worked on the woman, many of these so-called spiritualists and New Agerss who teach humans are suppresed gods and religion is just a form of oppression tend to especially target women?


    As much as they can debate and slam the men of a religion calling them stupid or weak, they all seem to go out of their way not to offend or turn away the sistaz.

    When they debate men:

    Brutha that's so foolish Jesus ain't never.....

    Hold on...you're out of line man.....

    Take that back to your Arab slave master...

    Do you wake up that stupid and does it last all day.....






    But when it comes to the women:


    Oh sista your a goddess and don't know it.....

    Oh queen, yes but you must understand.....

    You are so right Jesus does save but can't you see.....

    Well queenie I'm a Muslim to but you have to understand the meaning of....

    Well if you join MY system of belief we'll take away your burden and won't oppress you like...


    That tells you they're being deceptive right there, because gender shouldn't matter when debating logic....right is right and wrong is wrong.

    But Satan has a history of working on the woman in order to get to the man.

    This is why most learne men, scholars, and leaders of religious communities were encouraged and sometimes required to be married before they assumed positions of power. So that their social and sexual lives would be somewhat stable and they could make the best and most correct decisions without bias or ulterior motives.



    But the REAL aim of Satan and this "ye are gods" crap isn't to get you to realize your potential.

    The real aim is to eventually turn you away from worshipping God, so you can begin worshipping other "gods" (humans) with higher knowledge than yourself.

    They want you to worship THEM.
     
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    peace,

    <breather in, breathe out>
    - you're not, (nor have you ever to be honest) even sounding like a muslim!!

    - first, let me say that the tree in the middle of the garden is the Electromagnetic Ankh. See how it says "ye shall not eat of it, NEITHER shall YE TOUCH IT" - in order to eat it, one has to TOUCH IT correct. so why the need to say not too touch it after you have already said don't eat of it. The only one's able to handle the Ankh were the Priests who knew how to hold it and not get electrocuted by the powerful charge the Ankh holds. "neither touch it LEST YE DIE"...........

    The story of Adam and Eve has nothing to do with black people, we run around naked all day long and some tribes in Afrika still do. SO why would a black person run and hide from realizing they are naked??

    - do you even know what you are talking about brother?

    - Ralf, be serious for a minute here if you can........God is not the name of the Supreme Being, so as I've stated to you and others b4 "god" is a mind state built on elevation and the foundation is knowledge.

    would you really, in your feeble attempt to disuade people tell them that knowledge is evil and from satan as you have said here?

    - this would apply to a religious mind, not a free one!!

     
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    You've certainly given me a plate full (of something)....

    But let me say right off the bat that I'm CERTAINLY not suggesting that knowlege or the acquiring of knowledge is evil or from Satan.

    WHAT YOU DO with that knowledge can ether be good or evil, positive or negative.


    My point was that we shouldn't be deceived into believing that gaining knowledge will somehow make us divine, gods, or other than our human selves; nor should we worship those with more knowledge as if they were gods and superior to us.
     
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    peace,

    who ever said anything about worshipping someone because they have some knowledge??

    Deceived by thinking knowledge will make us divine, gods or other than our hue-man selves?? Don't know where you got or get half of what you post brother............

    I said seek knowledge as even YOUR prophet has said "from the cradle to the grave" or let's see if you know this one "Knowledge is the lost property of the believer"............any of this sound familiar Ralf.....

    what you think/believe is fine, it's when you try to make it appear as if you know the thoughts, hearts and minds of others & start making up things to try and back your statements when you loose me!!!

    Surely I said a lot more than what you have responded too here brother.....

    - this is the type of response that I have come expect from you brother, which is why I said earlier I have never seen an ounce of Islam in you!! I am no authority, but even someone as un-learned as myself can recognize when someone is humble & respectful of women and wants for their brothers and sisters what he wants for himself........it ain't hard to tell!!!
     
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    Let me get this straight....

    Because I'm challenging the idea that we are all "gods" instead of human beings, that somehow makes me un-Islamic?

    My friend, Muslims are taught that WE ARE HUMANS who were created to maintain the planet and serve our Creator.
    Islam doesn't teach that we are to study and elevate our spirits until we "become gods".

    The Nation of Islam is the only group I know of that call themselves Muslim and profess human beings to be "gods".






    Ok, you're saing that the story of Adam and Eve is symbolic.

    You'll get no arguments out of me, but it says nothing about an Electromagnetic Ankh in neither the Bible nor Koran so to say that's what it represents is just heresay, not fact.

    I can't argue with you about what the purpose of an electromagnetic Ankh is, but the MEANING behind the story of Adam and Eve can't be disputed by those who didn't write it.



    No tribe in Africa runs around totally naked, the primary sexual organs of mature adultes are alway covered up in public.

    Just like the story has both the man and woman covering thier genitals up with leaves.

    I hope you aren't suggesting that our people in Africa are savage and run around butt naked!

    No African would ever agree with this.





    Ofcourse "God" isn't the NAME of the Supreme Being, but it's on of the few words in the English language we have for the Creator and when the "g" is capitalized it's agreed on by most of the society to mean the Creator.

    Let us not play with words brother, you know who "God" is.

    Again, being a god is not ONLY a superior mind state but being superior physically and of a different origin as well.
    We simply weren't created to be gods, only humans.





    So are you saying that "free minded" people deal with illness and tragedy differently than religions people?
    They don't cry, sufffer, struggle with guilt and anxiety like everyone else?




    We don't know prophet Muhammad ascended into the Heavens, so I don't know.



    But most of our people don't know the Koran...only the bible.

    Since most of our people know only the Bible, I use that same Bible to enlighten and uplift them to be better HUMAN BEINGS...not gods.




    You're wrong on both accounts.

    I'm not defending the bible, nor am I condeming those who choose to call themselves "god or goddess".

    I'm simply putting things in what I believe to be their proper context.




    I don't know what this has to to with the subject of the thread but you're right I don't want a goddess or a strong black woman because I wouldn't be able to enjoy neither.

    But a brutha like you who wants them wouldn't be a thorn in my side because you can take all of them off my hands.
    Give me a nice, beautiful, feminine, HUMAN and you can have all the goddesses and strong women you want.



    I don't know what you mean by "prey on or stalk" them feeding them what I want them to know.

    Nearly all of these New Age cults have charismatic leaders who while tellling both the men and women that they are really gods and goddesses....nearly all of these leaders have harems of woman and concubines who they've gotten pregnant and abused.

    They are the opposite of what they preach.

    That's what happens when you first trick a person into believeing HUMANS can be god, then lead them to believe that YOU are a superior god and all of your wishes and desires should be honored by them.

    These women see these fakes and phonies as either a superior god or God Himself and allow themselves to be used and abused.
     
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    Why Yahweh Adonai , Etc In Genesis 1 ; 26 Referred To As '' We '' Or '' Us ''

    Why Yahweh Adonai , Etc In Genesis 1 ; 26 Referred To As '' We '' Or '' Us ''
    When Ever You See '' We '' Or '' Us '' In The Scripture It Is Actually Referring To God As '' Eloheem . '' Thus The '' God '' Of The Bible Is A Part Of A Group Of Gods .
    Genesis 1; 26 <> RighTranslation In Aramic ( Hebrew )
    And The Eloheem / Anunnaqi Said Amongst Themselves '' Now Let's Breed By Cloning People , Lulu Amelu A Homo - Sapien Of This Planet Earth Adamites Looking Just Like Ourselves , Anunnaqi , And Acting Like Ourdelves And We Will Give The Rulership Over The Fish Of The Sea , And Birds Of The Skies , And Over All Of The Non Speaking Mammals , And All Of The Creeping Thing That Greep Upon The Planet Earth ''


    Genesis 1 ; 26
    And God Said , Let Us Make Man In Our Image , After Our Likeness And Let Them Have Dominion Over The Fish Of The Sea And Over The Fowl Of The Air , And Over The Cattle . And Over All The Earth , And Over Every Creeping Thing That Creepeth Upon The Earth .
    Eloheem = Plural For God's Meaning More The One Gen 6 ; 2 ; 6; 4 ; Job 1 ; 6 ; 2 ; 1 ; Psalm 82 ; 1 ; 82 ; 6 ; John 10 ; 34 - 35 ,
    Eloheem Are The Angels Of El Or Messengers Of El . They Are A Host Of Beings That Do The Work Of El . Eloheem Are Found In The Beginning Of The Torah Genesis Chapter 1 And The Word Is Mistranslated As GOD ( Genesis 1 ; 1 ) .


    When It Was Translated Into English To Give The Impression That Its A Single Form , When It Is Really Plural . It's Plural Because Of The Last Two Letters '' Im '' Or '' Yod Mem '' In Aramic ( Hebrew ) . When This Is Added To The End Of A Hebrew Word , It Denotes Plurality . The Greek Theh - Os , In The New Testament Is Equivalent To The Word Eloheem . The Name '' Eloheem '' Is Used For Both Agreeable And Disagreeable Beings . If You Write Down The Word '' Eloheem '' You Will Find This Word Is Grammatically The Plural Form Of A Noun . The Lettrs '' Yod Mem , In The Hebrew Language Are Found At The End Of Ancient Syretic Words Which Have Been Grafted Into The Arabic Language .


    Hebrew Plurals In The Masculine , End In '' Im '' Yod Mem '' . To Add A ' S '' To This When We Introduce Such Words Into English , Is Improper . Therefore , The Word Should Be Written '' Cherubim ''' Not '' Cherubims '' . This Is To Show You That If Eloheem Can Be Defined As A Plural ( Meaning Gods And Goddesses ) ; How Can This Be Referring To El Eloh ? Within The Word Eloheem Is The Plural '' Im '' Which Mean '' They '' These Beings '' . So The Make It Clear To Everyone That The Ancient Hebrew Word Eloheem With The Last Two Letters Added Becomes Merely A Derivative Of Eloh , Which Is A Derivative From El , And If It Is A Derivative , Meaning Derived From . It Means Taken From The Original , Not The Original .

    Then It Can't Be The One Deity (God ) Because The One Deity Has To Be The Root Of All The Derivative , Not A Part Of The Root . Now El Can Be Part Of The Eloheem Which Is The Plural Of El ( The AngelicBeings ) Because Some Of Him Is In The Angels . He Of Course Is A Part Of The Eloheem ; Which Means They Are Also Refered To As The '' We '' Or '' Us '' .
    Deuteronomy 5 ; 7 < Right Traslation In Aramic ( Hebrew )
    You Are To Hold Loyalty To No Other Eloheem
    Deuteronomy 5 ; 7 < King Jame 1611 A.D. >
    Thou Shalt Have None Other Gods Before Me ''
    The Purpose Of Explanning This Word Is So That You Can Better OverStand That The Word '' Eloheem '' Could Not Be Referring To One Entity , As These Translators Believe That At Times El Eloh And His AngelicBeings Are Referred To In The The Scriptures , Ask Them To Explain Why It Is Found In The Torah ?

    Of Course They Can't , Because They Aren't Versed In The Original Aramic ( Hebrew ) Language , So I'll Explain To You Why . First Lets Take The Word Allahumma
    Koran 3 ; 26 < Arabic >
    Say ; '' O Allahumma ( The Eloheem / Anunnaqi ) . You Are The Maalik ''<> Ruler '' Of Al Mulki '<> The Rulership ' You Give Al Mulks The Rulership To Whomere You Please , And You Remove Al Mulka <> The Rulership ' From Whomever You Please ; And You ( Forify ) Tu'izzu <> Make Mighty ' Who You Please , And You Tudhillu <> Humble '' Whomever You Please , By ( The Aid Of ) Yadika <> ' Your Hands , Al Khayr <. Is That Which Is Good ' Surely You Have The Qadiyr <> Power Over All Things .


    Which Is Really From The Hebrew Word Eloheem In Genesis 1 ; 26 And Found In The Torah 430 Times . The Following Are The Three Word Used For The Creator In The Torah .
    1 . El < Aramic / Hebrew >
    2 . Elowah '' '' ''
    3 , Eloheem '' ''' '' ''
    And These Number Match Up Exactly To How Many Time They Show Up In The Torah . The Most Controversial Of The Three Words Is The Word Eloheem Or Allahumma . However , Before I Discuss The Word Eloheem Or Allahuma With You , I Would Like To Give You An Explanation Of The Word El And The Word Elowah .

    The Name Of Allah Is The Same In Hebrew As It Is In Arabic ; As You Will See From The Following Explanation ;
    1. El ( AL ) . The Word . If Found Within The Quote Isaiah 12; 2 Is In Reference To The Creator . It Has Been Mistranslated By English Translators As '' God ''
    Isaiah 12 ; 2 < Right Translation In Aramic ( Hebrew )
    Here , El Is My Salvation ; I Will Trust , And Not Be Afraid ; For The Ya Yahuwa Is My Strength And My Song Of Praise , He Also Becomes My Slavation .
    Isaiah 12 ; 2 King James 1611 A.D.
    '' Behold , God Is My Salvation ; I Will Trust , And Not Be Afraid ; For The Lord Jehovah Is My Strength And My Song ; He Also Is Become My Salvation . ''


    The Word El Or Al Is An Old Demonstrative Pronoun Slightly Pointing Out A Thing . The Following Definitions Have Been Taken From '' The Concise Staement Of The Principle Of Hebrew Grammar '' Published By Edward C . Mitchell .
    Hebrew ; El Arabic ; Al
    Used In The Sense Of The This Word Mean '' The '' It Is A
    Creator Being The Almighty Definite Article Pointing Out A
    Creator , It Literally Means Certain Thing , The Name Of Allah
    Strong , Power , Mighty One Is Made Up Of This Definite Article AL
    Or '' The '' And The Pronun Lahu Or ''
    For Him ''
    2 . Elowah ; Is Mentioned In Daniel 11 ; 38 ,
    Daniel 11 ; 38 < Right Translation In Aramic ( Hebrew )
    But In His Estate Will He Honour The Eloh Of Forces ; And A Eloh Whom His Father Knew Not Will He Honour With Gold , And Silver And With Precious Stones , And Pleasant Things .


    Daniel 11 ; 38 < King James 1611 A.D. >
    But In His Estate Shall He Honor The God Of Forces ; And A God Whom His Father Knew Not Shall He Honor With Gold And Silver , And With Precious Stones , And Pleasant Things . ''
    The Word Elowah Is Referring To Creator In The Preceding Quotes And Is Is Mistranslated As God , Elowah Is A Derivative Of The Word El . It Comes From The Ancient Form Of The Word Alahhu Or Elahh . Has Becaome Obsolete In The Hebrew Language , And It Corresponds With The Arabic Word Alaha or Ilaahi .
    Alahhu Or Elahh Alaha
    To Worship And To Adore To Worship , Swear , Adore ; From
    To Swear , From This Comes Thus You Get The Name Of The
    Eloah , Which Corresponds Creator Al Khaaliq .
    Of The Creator .


    Elahha Or Alahhu In Aramic For Alaha , Closely Resembles The Arabic Word Alaha . This Is Further Proof That Hebrew , Aramic And Arabic Are The Same Language . From The Ancient Chaldean Language , Both El . And Elowah Are In The Singular Tense .
    These Are The Same Words ! Just Look Close And You Will See They Are The Same . < Look At The Diagram Below >
    Aramic Arabic
    Eloahum ( Eloheem ) Allahumma
    Eloheem Is The Plural Of The Word Allahuma Is The Plural For The
    Alahhu , A Definition Given From Name Allah . The Plural
    A Hebrew Dictionary Entitled A Concise Hum Is A Representation
    Statement Of The Principle Of Hebrew Of The Creator And His Angelic
    Grammar '' By Edward G . Mitchell States Bening Also '' Allah And All His
    Eloahim Is A Plural Tense Of The Word Attributes '' The Attributes Called
    Goddesses . ( Psalms 71;17 ; 72 ; 1 ) The Koran 3 ;26 , 10 ; 10 , 39 , 46
    What They Are Not Telling You Is That This Word Eloahim Is Not In Quraish Or Modern Arabic Terms Or Even In The Terms Of The Modern Classical Arabic Used In The Koran . But It Is Another One Of Those Word That Has Been Grafted From .

    The Hebrew Term Eloahim . Which Came From The Syretic Term Brought From The Phoenicians , And The Babylonians. Originally From Cuneiform . It Is A Fact That Allahumma ( Or Eloahim ) Is Grammatically A Plural Word . It Is Made From Two Words , Allah And Hum Which Is The Arabic Suffix For '' Them '' Just Like The Jews And The Muslims , Christian Etc , Find The Word '' We '' Used In The Scriptures ( The Torah And The Koran Etc . ) ( And Still Say It Is A Singular Word )
    Now Ask Them How Can '' We '' Be < Singular > ? If God Would Have Wanted It To Be < Singular > He Would Have Said '' I ' :geek:
     
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    Hmmmmmm.......

    This is true the word often translated as God in the Old Testament is actually "Elohim" which means gods or more properly "deities"

    And yes, the original name for the most high god was Allah or Al Elah.


    When Moses asked God in the burning bush who shall he tell them sent him.

    The bible records it as him being told ta say: Yahweh or I Am

    But that doesn't make any sense.

    It seems as if the authors left something out of the translation or cut it off.


    Since the Hebrew word for God is Elah; more than likely he was told:

    Yaweh Elah


    Yaweh Elah = I Am Elah
     
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    thank you for peacefully responding.............

    - what does this have to do with me, or our conversation?? this is what I mean when I say that you go off on tangents to try and back your point. all of this here is meaningless unless you can give names of these people. "New Age cults" - what are you talking about??

    - oh, ok thanks for being so generous Ralf...

    - once again, don't know what you are talking about. If I had to guess, these fakes and phonies you speak of probably also think that a woman's circumcision is "cute" as you do!

    - i don't think you wanted me to take this response with seriousness, so I will not respond to it!!

    -

    Jesus was born miraculously through the same power that had brought Adam into being without a father: "Truly the likeness of Jesus with God is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was." (Qur'an 3:59)

    But most of our people don't know the Koran...only the bible.

    - nor do you know the Qu'ran which is why I think you use the bible much more....SO you use a book you don't believe in yourself (as you said some parts are written by men and some by GOD) to elevate others....does this make sense to anyone other than you?? How do you come to the conclusion that you make them better human beings?? whose to say they were not before they met you or even picked up a bible?? - very arrogant statement here brother Ralf....
    - says you, because you have no idea what I am talking about when I speak of the ankh and the science behind it!!

    - must I even respond to this? I said why would they run and hide seeing that they were naked when it is a FACT that tribes in Afrika have no problem with being naked. You are talking of tribes today where some, such as the watusi where an apron or some type of cloth to cover the genitals....but this was not always so!! If we are going to talk history, let's keep it historic and not jump around when you see a way to try & rearrange a statement of mine.........

    - would you really expect it too, then christians would have to come to grips with this being the original cross & some serious thinking would be required. It is not mentioned int he Qu'ran because it is not mentioned in the bible......but you know what is in the Qu'ran, the story of Adam.................

    Surah (this means chapter Ralf) Al bakara ( the cow )

    002.030
    YUSUFALI: Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not."

    002.031
    YUSUFALI: And He taught Adam the names of all things; then He placed them before the angels, and said: "Tell me the names of these if ye are right."

    002.032
    YUSUFALI: They said: "Glory to Thee, of knowledge We have none, save what Thou Hast taught us: In truth it is Thou Who art perfect in knowledge and wisdom."

    002.033
    YUSUFALI: He said: "O Adam! Tell them their names." When he had told them, Allah said: "Did I not tell you that I know the secrets of heaven and earth, and I know what ye reveal and what ye conceal?"

    002.034
    YUSUFALI: And behold, We (who is we Ralf) said to the angels: "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down (Angels do not bow to men, they bow to gods). Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith.

    002.035
    YUSUFALI:We said: "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."

    002.036
    YUSUFALI: Then did Satan make them slip from the (garden), and get them out of the state (of felicity) in which they had been. We said: "Get ye down, all (ye people), with enmity between yourselves[/B](all what people Ralf, if it was only Adam and Eve....something missing here, yes). On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood - for a time." (which could mean that after a time they would be restored to god status)

    002.037
    YUSUFALI: Then learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration, and his Lord Turned towards him; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.(why is all of this in the 3rd person singular??)

    002.038
    YUSUFALI: We said: "Get ye down all (all of whom?)from here; and if, as is sure, there comes to you Guidance from me, whosoever follows My guidance, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

    002.039
    YUSUFALI: "But those who reject Faith and belie Our Signs, they shall be companions of the Fire; they shall abide therein."

    002.040
    YUSUFALI: O Children of Israel! call to mind the (special) favour which I bestowed upon you, and fulfil your covenant with Me as I fulfil My Covenant with you, and fear none but Me. (starting to sound like the God of the bible now)

    - no sir, not because you are challenging I welcome that brother. It is your thirst for conflict and the many un-islamic statements I have read from you.. (just my thoughts though) show & prove me wrong!

    - you have to be taught that you are Hue-man? being human can only be justified by treating others as Hue-man beings or as you would want to be treated. If not, then being told you are hue-man is just a waste of time.....who does teach that you have to study and elevate your spirits until you "become gods"??
     
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    You're the one who accused me of trying to keep women in a repressive state or religion in order to prey on and stalk them; and I'm telling you that the one's with the most verifiable history of doing this to women are these New Age cults....not established religions.

    Nearly every single cult that has arisen in the United State seem to be headed by some sexually repressed leader who claimed to be Christ incarnate and claimed all the women of the cult as his wives or daughters...sexually molesting them.



    This is true....are YOU "most of our people" brutha Info?

    I thought you were only one individual with superb knowledge of history and religion; but I didn't know I had MOST AfroAmericans on the line!

    Word up!




    Brutha, you know better than to insult me by telling me I don't know the Koran.

    That was simply untrue and uncalled for.



    You said you're a student of Elijah Muhammad (among others) and he also said the Bible was corrupted but he used it to raise his people out of their graves....did he make any sense when he said it?

    Ofcourse the bible has been corrupted, but their is still some truth and morality in it.

    I've read the entire book so I know; have you?




    Should I?

    Will knowing what an "ankh" is put any money in my pocket or food on the table?




    I don't have to rearrange your statement because you made the same silly and very insulting statement TWICE and haven't repented for it yet.

    Perhaps you and I have different definitions of what "naked" means because to me naked means absolutely no clothing on.

    I don't know of any Africans presently or historically that ran around the community butt naked with their goods slanging all over the place, and real Africans would be very insulted to hear you say they did.

    Don't say that around Africans, or we many not hear from you in a while.



    How is the ankh the original cross when the 2 are totally separate symbols?

    I suppose the letter "T" is the original cross as well...

    Man, you can't let your imagination run away with you from all this "stolen legacy" jive.




    When the English translation of the Koran says:

    "Get ye down, all (ye people), with enmity between yourselves On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood - for a time."
    The word translated in English as people doesn't just refer to human beings but "a community" or group of beings. In some English translations birds and other animals are refered to as "people" as well.

    Adam and Eve were probably the only humans (probably not) but their were other beings such as Satan and his Jinn being driven out also.




    Like I said, I can't fight or argue by myself.

    You can't accuse me of being a trouble maker if I lay down my opinion and I get a hundred heathens crawling out of the wood-work to challenge and fight me over them.

    Does defending my beliefs make me unIslamic?



    I just did...again..

    Your turn
     
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