Black Spirituality Religion : Worldly desire make the devotee impure

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  1. dattaswami1

    dattaswami1 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Worldly desire make the devotee impure


    When the Lord comes in human form, some devotees certainly recognize Him as God. However, such recognition of Krishna as God brings the concept that Krishna is omnipotent. This aspect immediately diverts even the devotees to get attracted towards solving their problems by using the omni potency of God. Thus the devotion becomes impure and the devotees are diverted to sideline of worldly affairs.

    If Krishna remains as Krishna, this problem does not arise at all. The recognition of Krishna as God spoils the mind of the devotees. After recognition, the devotees are expected to travel in the right line, which is service to Him without aspiring any fruit. If the devotees go in this right line, then only they are said to be realized souls. If they take the loop line (using the super power for personal problems) from the point of recognition, they are as good as ordinary human beings. Therefore recognition of Krishna as God is not the end of the spiritual effort. This is a junction-station. If you proceed straight, you are a realized soul. From this point if you take the sideline, you are an ordinary human being.

    In fact the ordinary human beings are always in search of God in human form for solving their problems. It is just like searching for oil wells in the ground. The search is for using the oil as a fuel for daily comforts. Therefore recognizing the human incarnation is of no use unless you proceed in the main line from that point. At this point, there are some guides to lead you to the right line. Such guides are the liberated souls who come down along with the Lord. They are scattered and mixed with the ordinary human beings. They recognize the Lord along with the other people. From this point of the recognition, the liberated souls proceed in the main line only without any deviation standing as guides for the devotees, who are with them standing at the point of recognition.

    Therefore, the liberated soul is already realized soul who comes down along with the Lord to stand as a guide from the recognition point onwards. Thus the liberated souls are the close servants of the Lord who come down to participate in the divine play for fulfilling the divine mission. Seeing them as examples, at least some devotees may follow the main line along with them and may get liberated. A liberated soul is already a realized soul doing the spiritual effort (Sadhana) from the starting point to the end point to stand as an example for the human beings.

    After recognizing the God, you can follow the path of the liberated soul who is acting as a devotee trying for success in the spiritual journey. The liberated souls will certainly succeed in their spiritual effort because they are already liberated and they try to achieve liberation only to guide others. Thus all the devotees who recognize the Lord without any proof and spontaneously participate in the service crossing over all the hurdles are the liberated souls. The liberation of such liberated souls is only a part of the drama. Role of the human incarnation can be taken up by the Lord only and not by the liberated soul.

    When the Lord left Parasurama, who is a liberated soul, he could not maintain the status of the Lord. However, the Lord can act the role of a liberated soul. Lord Shiva acted in the role of Hanuman, a liberated soul. The devotee will fail to act as Lord. The Lord never fails whether He acts as the Lord or as a devotee.


    At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

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    Hmm, I can see the many things I don't agree with in the, but I believe I do understand what is meant by worldly desire. Focusing on fixing that which is temporary takes a follower of the King mind off what is most important.

    Yes, if we remained too focused on the temporary in this life, we will lose any true perspective we might have because you go for one or the other; carnal or spiritual.

    I believe that having faith in the Holy Son and the Father for the sacrifice of the Son and the long suffering of the GREAT GLORY is what sets us on a righteous path to understanding how temporary carnal things are. And belief in His resurrection back to life on the 3rd day helps us to recognize how precious the Holy Way is and how that which is spiritual do last forever and ever.

    With this, we ourselves gain forever with the King, never again being caught up by dealings of the flesh but always having light to our eyes seeing the Way of the Spirit.
     
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    :11100: why not both? are they really different or is that a false dichotomy?
     
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    Yes, they are really different. You can't cling to both because both cannot have reign in your life, overall.
     
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    all is one. one is all……overall
     
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    I think it's a false dichotomy. It's like saying we have 2 arms and 2 legs.... choose the set of limbs that is more important .

    We are first and foremost, animals. We have animal needs and animal instincts (peculiar to the human animal, of course). We are also spiritual. Now spiritual beliefs may temper some of our animal urges (HOPEFULLY!) such that we don't drop to the floor and fornicate in the middle of Macy's, but our animal natures MUST be expressed. So, 'this time, tomorrow, sweetie.'

    To deny the animal in favor of the spirit is, IMHO, to deny God is omniscient. To place our mortal sensibilities above His wisdom is sacreligious to the point of stupid arrogance (again, IMHO). He made us animals with carnal needs - needs, not wants, but NEEDS.

    The spirit and the carnal are the 2 facets of our dual, sometimes competing natures. Neither should be kicked off the bus in favor of the other.
     
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    :11100: i have had the thought a time or two……..
     
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    I UN-liked you! I ain't liking no mess like dat!
     
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    spirtuall beings.jpg
     
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    Lol, James are you sure it was just a thought. Not necessarily at Macy's. :p
     
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