Black Christians : Women Pastors...(from Oceolo)

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  1. cherryblossom

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    Thank you, Oceolo, for your contribution! I thought it better to make a new/separate thread with it, though.

    I have, personally, wrestled with this same subject. I need further clarification myself as to the Biblical teachings/tenets of women pastors.

    The main Biblical "bone of contention" is that women are not to have "spiritual teaching authority" over men. They can be "ministers of the gospel" or "prophesy" or be "helpers" but they are not to have "spiritual authority," i.e., pastors.

    That is my present understanding of it. But, again, if there is further clarification out there, I'm all ears.
     
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    Do you mean that your parents actually dissolved their marriage over this?!
    Or did you mean that they had "spiritual" parting-of-the-ways and each had his and her own church?

    Either way, I think it so sad that they could not, as Christians, fast and pray and study for resolution to this issue between them.
     
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    This issue of women prophesying (preaching) is the so-called patriarchal aspect of Christianity, and is responsible for creating what appears as a rift with matriarchal aspects, and itself is very misunderstood, and never properly explained by most pastors.

    Consider the words of Paul in I Corinthians 11: 6. It is these conditions that are never preached about nor fully explained in seminary schools of theology or the average church for that matter. For example, Women are not prohibited from praying or prophesying, they are however, required to be shorn if it is not shameful, but if it is shameful, then she should be covered. In that context, women probably should be shorn, for it is not shameful, in most cases.

    In addition, when qualified men are not available and there are qualified women, they are expected to carry the load of pastors; hence we have several female disciples cited in scripture(s). Be mindful however, that women prophesying or preaching is rare and under strict reservation, nevertheless, there are provisions allowing such. Otherwise, all that has been stated by sister cherryblossom is within the biblical context and applicable.


     
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    Thank you for responding, Clyde. However, I have 2 questions.

    1. You imply that "prophesying" and "preaching" are the same. But my Biblical understanding is not so. I thought that the gift of prophesy is a fruit of the Holy Spirit but that preaching is more in line with "spiritual teaching." ---Can you give me some Biblical support for your statement?

    2. Again, I'd like some Biblical support for approval of women pastors when "qualified men are not available."
     
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    cherryblossom,

    Definitively and in addition to what you have spelled out as prophesying is the rare element of teaching and preaching. I am sure you have several good Bible dictionaries baring the same. As far as biblical support, we have the following Prophetess', which I alluded to, thinking you would recognize, Miriam, Deborah, Huldah, Isaiah's wife, Anna and Daughters of Phillip.

    Again, the understanding is that these women also preached and taught, as well, from time to time. Again, be mindful that common sense also speaks along with scripture. Do not overlook the point that these conditons are rare, if at all.

    And sweetheart, I am about to retire tonight, we will continue tomorrow, okay, if necessary.



     
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    Well, yes, I am familiar with most of those women you named and I was ready to give them as examples to the OP myself. (lol)

    However, that same "patriarchal" aspect you spoke of is also what men used to interpret Paul's statement about women not speaking in church.

    But, with further delving, much can be found NOT as that patriarchal headship has preached down through the years.

    And as for "unavailable men," that too speaks to the literal and spiritual state of too many of our husbands and fathers.
     
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    cherryblossom,

    Yes my sister you are on it! And I would say misinterpret as oppose to saying, “what men used to interpret,” in relations to the patriarchal. Of course, much can be found to be, if you will, non-patriarchal, which is also to say, matriarchal, lol.

    Further delving is the job of latter rain teachers, which I spoke to in your Christian Poetry thread. Again, you are correct when you speak on the current state of “too many of our husbands and fathers," and not only them but many, many so-called preachers are lacking in divine/spiritual and literal revelation as I have mentioned heretofore.


     
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    Good morning, Clyde!

    What did you think of the post from RU2religious about his parents?

    What is your take on that situation?
     
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    And a gracious good morning back to you cherryblossom,

    I started to speak on that but decided to wait, and I am glad you asked. It simply is unfortunate and the epitome of what we have exchanged, concerning proper interpretation of scripture. The word is deep, very deep and requires our total undivided attention.

     
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    Amen and Amen.


    Prov. 16:

    [18] Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
    [19] Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud.
    [20] He that handleth a matter wisely shall find good: and whoso trusteth in the LORD, happy is he.

    Prov. 4:

    [7] Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
     
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