Black Spirituality Religion : Witch-craft, Paganism, Heathenism...a rough definition.

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  1. Ralfa'il

    Ralfa'il Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Just so some of you know....


    Witch-craft is the use of magic and/or the misuse of herbs and chemicals to decieve or cause harm to other people, especially when they are unaware of what you're doing.

    Drugging someone at a party, or putting chemicals in the food to harm a community is a form of witch-craft.

    Brainwashing them through music, subliminal messages, and deceptive programing are also forms of witch craft.







    Paganism
    is worshipping NATURE.

    If you are holding trees, stars, elephants, cows, monkeys, rocks, mountains, and certian plants, animals, and objects sacred and pray to them...you are practicing paganism.

    Praying to them, sacrificing for them, trying to communicate with or capturing the spirit of them is practicing paganism.

    Terms like "Mother Nature" (Metu Neter), "Father Time", "Mother Earth" are paganistic terms.

    You are giving undue honor to the CREATED instead of the CREATOR who created them.






    Heathenism
    is polytheism or the worship of more than one god.

    If you worship devils, angels, ghosts, or dead ancestors by praying to and sacrificing to them you are practicing polytheism.

    When you read of "familiar spirits" in the Bible, it's talking about ancestral spirits.
    Spirits of loved ones who have died.

    You can acknowledge that the spirit of your mother, brother, or a past noble one exists and honor them with tributes or naming things after them.
    But to actually PRAY to them or conjure them up to ask for favors and allow them to enter your body is practicing polytheism.


    Many people are under the mistaken belief that you aren't a polytheist as long as you still believe in a Supreme God.

    But almost ALL cultures have acknowledged that one supreme God exists, but many of them chose not to worship Him.
    They said He was too great to be worshipped so they needed "mediums" to pray to and ask favors/seek protection from like smaller gods and ancestors.

    If you're worshipping any god besides the Supreme God, then you're a heathen.
     
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    i resemble that remark...........

    and proud to be so............... :slobber:
     
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    Word, Sound, Power. The language used by us here is English, the language of White Imperialists (British Empire). Let's take a look at one of their "important" dictionaries.

    From Oxford English Dictionary:

    Witch (verb): To practise witchcraft; to use sorcery or enchantment.

    Craft (noun): 1. Strength, power, might, force. II. Intellectual power; skill; art. 2. a. Skill, skilfulness, art; ability in planning or performing, ingenuity in constructing, dexterity; = ART 2. archaic (or contextual). b. spec. Occult art, magic. <(AUM: most appropriate)

    So....Witch Craft is the ART of performing/practicing intellectual power and skill with ingenuity to produce magic.

    A lot of people can identify with that.

    Pagan (noun): 1. a. A person not subscribing to any major or recognized religion, esp. the dominant religion of a particular society

    And this is BAD because....?

    Heathen (adj): 1. Applied to persons or races whose religion is neither Christian, Jewish, nor Muslim; pagan; Gentile. In earlier times applied also to Muslims; but in modern usage, for the most part, restricted to those holding polytheistic beliefs, esp. when uncivilized or uncultured.

    Okay....

    Heathen (noun): 1. One who holds a religious belief which is neither Christian, Jewish, nor Muslim; a pagan.

    So if I don't "Subscribe" to a modern religion then I'm a pagan. How many of you don't deal with a lot of "modern" trends? According to one of the leading authorities on the English language (As if anyone cares about this) you are a pagan, Heathen.
     
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    White culture has applied these terms to religions and cultures that were different than theirs.

    Definition-wise there is nothing wrong with these terms; it's the negative connotation associated with them that's the problem.
     
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    A word only means what you want it to mean but if these words are used in their usual sense then they describe things that are evil and apart from God.
     
  6. Ralfa'il

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    I mentioned nothing about race because this has nothing to DO with race!

    ....outside of the fact that many AfroAmericans seem to love aligning themselves with the most wicked and debased of habits and customs.

    Although nearly every race has been enslaved at some point in time, AfroAmericans seem to take special offense to slavery and claim it as thier own beliving that only black people were meant to be slaves.

    I did the same thing until I educated myself on the history of slavery in the world and found out more white folks had been enslaved through out history than us.



    In that same spirit, although white Europeans practiced (and still do) practice witch-craft and paganism as well as magic; for some reason we seem to think this is "our" religion and want to claim it as African.

    Monotheism in the form of Christianity swept across Europe much faster than it did in Africa and destroyed or ran underground most of the pagan practices and sorcery that dominated the continent and that's why you find more traditional paganistic practices still in AFrica.

    It has nothing to do with us being more spiritual or in tune with nature.

    Read about Diana the grand goddess of Europe.

    Read about Wicca, and the Druids.

    Read about Merlin the magician and other socerers of old Europe.


    We need to stop trying to make excuses to revert back to paganism and idolatry.

    Every black event I go to now you got people pouring out libations and calling on the ancestors....trying to resurrect those same practices back up again that got us in trouble the first time.

    Stop trying to associate black people with wickness and idolatry.
     
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    Read my location brother and I am proud of it... For it is Allah who has created the great Mother which I live upon. The Earth produces enough to fit man's essential needs. It's resources are just what I need to sustain. She nurtures me.


    Ralf, if having great respect for Mother Earth makes me a pagan....Then I'll be that. As for acknowledging the ancestors, that is just what I do.....ACKNOWLEDGE, for it is their spirit that lives threw me....

    Ralf, I might be the most paganistic muslim you will meet....


    You do know that there are muslims in the MOTHER-Land that incorporate some of their traditional beliefs into Islam, right?

    Organized Religion is the opium of the masses...
     
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    There are Muslims in Arabia that sacrifice dogs to their ancestors and screw little children also, but that doesn't make it right.

    God gave us instructions and when Judgement day comes we can't point back to the behavior of other Muslims in and attempt to justify what we did or should have done.



    But don't take it personally bro.....

    It doesn't automatically mean your a infidel heathen.

    Just because you caught a few nasty habits from living among disbelievers...doesn't automatically regulate you into the ranks of the MUSHIRKOON.

    But let me ask you a question, does the Earth have a vagina and ovaries that it may be a female/mother?

    Do you know this saying that actually came from white environmentalist was borrowed from a Native American belief of an Earth Goddess?

    Even the term Geo...as in "geology" has it's roots in Gia...goddess of the Earth.



    The Koran 4:117 says:

    "The Pagans, leaving Him, call but upon female deities....They actually call but upon Satan the persistent rebel!"
     
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    But let me ask you a question, does the Earth have a vagina and ovaries that it may be a female/mother? - Ralf


    It's been said that Afrika is the womb of humanity but anywayz, according to the 7 laws that govern the Universe, every thing has a gender..Either Masculine or Feminine and Earth being the NURTURER of humanity, I could see why one would attribute it to the Female principle...besides bruh, when I'm alone in the wilderness, burning sage, meditating and getting intouch with the enviroment...I do feel a feminine vibe in my presence..maybe I'm just weird....


    Do you know this saying that actually came from white environmentalist was borrowed from a Native American belief of an Earth Goddess? - Ralf

    Really? I have Native American branches on my family tree.....I tell you brother Ralf, this is why I can't get with you Islamic Fundamentalist...You guys are too dogmatic.


    The Koran 4:117 says:

    "The Pagans, leaving Him, call but upon female deities....They actually call but upon Satan the persistent rebel!"



    Except one thing Bruh, I'm not calling upon anything. There's a difference between worshiping Nature and having a great admoration and respect for Allah's creation...

    "Greater indeed than the creation of man is the creation of the heavens and the earth." (40:57)
     
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    (quick aside)
    I thought you were in the NOI bro, ain't that an organized religion?



    I can't tell a person what they feel in their own soul but I can say that I've been been all over this nation as well as much of the globe and never got a gender specific feeling.




    The vast majority of us have Native American in our ancestry, that was back when Native Americans hadn't been so brainwashed by whites and mixed freely with us assisting us....unlike the Mexicans of today.

    But yes, paganism was wide-spread among the Native Americans just like it was among everyone else, and is some of the reason they lost their land.

    God ain't no joke, He means what He says and if we break His commandments we pay the price in one form or another.


    But as far as Islam goes, either you believe in the Koran and the laws God laid out or you don't.

    Islam isn't like Christianity where people can just make up thier own rule as they go along and justify all manner of wickedness and evil.
    There are Muslim who do evil but you as well as I know they try to keep it down low and as hush as possible.

    They don't come right out and try to make excuses for practicing magic and worshiping stars or other gods like some Christians are doing.



    You can admire and respect, but once you asign a gender to it...then you're personificating it.
    People did the same thing with the Sun and it became Sun Worship.
     
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