Black People : Wishing Chaos and Curses Upon Black People

Clyde C Coger Jr

going above and beyond
PREMIUM MEMBER
In the Spirit of Sankofa and the Family!

Brother Emanuel Goodman ... i believe this may be part of why i'm not being heard.

My complaint is not about the occult. As you have said above, our discussing it, learning it, it being here ... is not new.

What is new Brother ... are the attempts at diminishing my people, this community ... right up in here, in our faces.

It is new ... Members wishing chaos and curses upon other Members. This is new, and if it is not new, please show me where it's ever been done / allowed here before.

It is new ... Members being threatened by other Members. This is new, and if it is not new, please show me where it's ever been done / allowed here before.

It is new ... Members coming in here, attempting to diminish us collectively. This is new, and if it is not new, please show me where it's ever been done / allowed here before.

It is new ... Members coming in here, locking us out of our own stuff. This is new, and if it is not new, please show me where it's ever been done / allowed here before.

The divisive energy present, has been mentioned by others as well, even Brother MetaSaience.

The fact that this energy resides here, is a big red flag for me, as it is totally contrary to our reason for being.

Whoever is bringing that energy here, insisting on feeding it, must go.

It's just that simple.

It's not personal. I actually am fond of all who are here, and will miss them should they leave.

If i must choose between ... a Member and maintaining this community's purpose for being ... the Member will lose every time.

I hate losing a Member this way, but they too have some responsibility in this, for they could choose to respect us.

I do not believe the above "new stuff" is inherent to the occult. I do not believe that in order to have the occult discussions here, we must also have the disrespect. I do not believe they go hand in hand.

I believe that some want to intertwine them, have us believe that if we ban them, we are also banning the occult ... and that's not what is happening ... for as you and others have said ... the occult has always been here ... it is not new. It was here when they got here, and it will be here when they leave.

I am growing very weary of talking about this, begging, hoping that the individual Members that are continually giving me these red flags ... bringing new examples of disrespect to us ... i am hoping they will stop, so they can remain with us.

If they don't, then that's on them. They will be banned.

And we will continue to discuss the Occult, the Metu Neder, the Bible, The Quran, The Books of The Dead, The Pert Em Heru / Kemetian Texts, and any and every thing else we wanna discuss, peacefully and respectfully. Just like always.

Thanks for sharing with me Brother Emanuel Goodman.

:heart:

Destee

Destee,

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:


 
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jamesfrmphilly

going above and beyond
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we will continue to discuss the Occult, the Metu Neder, the Bible, The Quran, The Books of The Dead, The Pert Em Heru / Kemetian Texts, and any and every thing else we wanna discuss, peacefully and respectfully. Just like always.
i tried to point out what i felt was negative energy a while back.
it has nothing to do with the occult to me. just some cats hiding behind the occult in order to do dirt.
i patiently await the time when we can all be positive again.

peace
 

lite16

Well-Known Member
MEMBER
Dismiss if you like

Sis. Destee ( I am not trying to disrespect you in any way)

I think that this is an absolutely wonderful arsenal of love, knowledge, and community here. You should feel great about that imo.

I am a newbie. Been registered since Jan 08, so I am relatively unaware of the relationships here that have been built or broken because of disagreements. What I have noticed is this:

There are very knowledgeable people here on all subjects from A to Z. Honestly, it's a little intimidating. Now, I am a 'young' person so naturally I hold back from posting in some threads and just take in the information and study from it. So, I can imagine how it would feel to someone who feels they 'know' everything there is to know on a subject only to be confronted with someone who holds a view which is in totally contrasts to all they have 'known.' Such instances are met with Anger, Frustration, even jealousy that may come out in the form of Angry and sometimes Disrespectful posts.
I think I have witnessed this here. What's the problem with just saying, "Bro. or Sis, I don't really understand that? Can you explain or give me texts to read where you come up with that?" or even "Hey Sis/Bro. I just can't get with that?"
Instead there's alot of writing posts to try and invalidate that (opposing) person's view. at any available moment. Sis. Destee, I am new here and I find that a little disconcerting but it hasn't stopped me from coming here. But here is what I feel about this topic..
1. I don't want to say this as a woman, but here it goes and I mean no harm by it. (whether you believe which I really hope you do.) I think you and some others are being a little temperamental. I mean, it's one thing to say "Don't ever greet ME with Chaos and Curses," but it's a WHOLE NOTHER' thing to say it shouldn't be said at all between people here.
2. People here are giving (since some people don't want to say his name outright) Bro. Darkside soooo sooo much power and energy. (it's almost laughable when you consider this guy and how he views such things) If you allow someone to steal energy from you that's on YOU and noone else. Saying that a phrase has the power to crumble this PHENOMENAL site and/or its mission, takes away the power that it already has. Is this what happens in your (not sis Destee personally,but anyone) personal lives. Do people just come in and disrupt you and then all HELL breaks loose then it's over?? I am sincerely asking these questions because this just seems like energy being directed in the wrong directions. (I can just imagine the responses)
3. I would say, if you don't like what a person says, and cannot handle the friction that is caused when you speak to that person... Then stop ENGAGING!
Why is this like WWIII or something?

You know, I have collected about 6 or so friends including Bro. DM and Meta, Bro. Blackbird, Sis True, Bro. OMO, Tyab14, and maybe I'm missing someone..i apologize.
But these are people who responded to my questions about things whether I agreed or understood or not with their views. They were open to me even though I am a new person. They gave me something to think about. However, they did not blow me off or come at me disrespectfully just because I posed a question. I appreciated that and Always will. Lastly, some people will never embrace people or views that challenge them. But, Sis Destee, It doesn't seem like this site was intended for only like-minded individuals. I thought the focus was about the individual (Africans and those in the Diaspora) and building a community OUT of our diversity.
Just my thoughts.. Again I love you and what you have done here.
Destee, you have my utmost respect. I thought maybe you wouldn't mind hearing from me. :SuN018:
 

Astrologer4U

Well-Known Member
MEMBER
Sis. Destee ( I am not trying to disrespect you in any way)

I think that this is an absolutely wonderful arsenal of love, knowledge, and community here. You should feel great about that imo.

I am a newbie. Been registered since Jan 08, so I am relatively unaware of the relationships here that have been built or broken because of disagreements. What I have noticed is this:

There are very knowledgeable people here on all subjects from A to Z. Honestly, it's a little intimidating. Now, I am a 'young' person so naturally I hold back from posting in some threads and just take in the information and study from it. So, I can imagine how it would feel to someone who feels they 'know' everything there is to know on a subject only to be confronted with someone who holds a view which is in totally contrasts to all they have 'known.' Such instances are met with Anger, Frustration, even jealousy that may come out in the form of Angry and sometimes Disrespectful posts.
I think I have witnessed this here. What's the problem with just saying, "Bro. or Sis, I don't really understand that? Can you explain or give me texts to read where you come up with that?" or even "Hey Sis/Bro. I just can't get with that?"
Instead there's alot of writing posts to try and invalidate that (opposing) person's view. at any available moment. Sis. Destee, I am new here and I find that a little disconcerting but it hasn't stopped me from coming here. But here is what I feel about this topic..
1. I don't want to say this as a woman, but here it goes and I mean no harm by it. (whether you believe which I really hope you do.) I think you and some others are being a little temperamental. I mean, it's one thing to say "Don't ever greet ME with Chaos and Curses," but it's a WHOLE NOTHER' thing to say it shouldn't be said at all between people here.
2. People here are giving (since some people don't want to say his name outright) Bro. Darkside soooo sooo much power and energy. (it's almost laughable when you consider this guy and how he views such things) If you allow someone to steal energy from you that's on YOU and noone else. Saying that a phrase has the power to crumble this PHENOMENAL site and/or its mission, takes away the power that it already has. Is this what happens in your (not sis Destee personally,but anyone) personal lives. Do people just come in and disrupt you and then all HELL breaks loose then it's over?? I am sincerely asking these questions because this just seems like energy being directed in the wrong directions. (I can just imagine the responses)
3. I would say, if you don't like what a person says, and cannot handle the friction that is caused when you speak to that person... Then stop ENGAGING!
Why is this like WWIII or something?

You know, I have collected about 6 or so friends including Bro. DM and Meta, Bro. Blackbird, Sis True, Bro. OMO, Tyab14, and maybe I'm missing someone..i apologize.
But these are people who responded to my questions about things whether I agreed or understood or not with their views. They were open to me even though I am a new person. They gave me something to think about. However, they did not blow me off or come at me disrespectfully just because I posed a question. I appreciated that and Always will. Lastly, some people will never embrace people or views that challenge them. But, Sis Destee, It doesn't seem like this site was intended for only like-minded individuals. I thought the focus was about the individual (Africans and those in the Diaspora) and building a community OUT of our diversity.
Just my thoughts.. Again I love you and what you have done here.
Destee, you have my utmost respect. I thought maybe you wouldn't mind hearing from me. :SuN018:

You said that you are young and that you sometimes hold back to posting in some topics because you feel intimidated by the knowledge. My friend, you a remarkable young lady, you are very intelligent. This entire post shows a lot of maturity and wisdom. Please, don't hold back on topics you feel intimidated by because you have a lot to teach as well. I am assuming that you are age 16, if you are, let me tell you when I was the age 16, I couldn't hardly express my self as well as you have done in the above quoted post. Also, I have seen some of your responses in some topics and even in the topics I started. I didn't even pay attention to the 16 in your name as being your actual age because you struck me as someone with wisdom and a whole lot to share. Not that it matters because we need all ages to contribute to the community but are you 16?

Just curious.
 

lite16

Well-Known Member
MEMBER
You said that you are young and that you sometimes hold back to posting in some topics because you feel intimidated by the knowledge. My friend, you a remarkable young lady, you are very intelligent. This entire post shows a lot of maturity and wisdom. Please, don't hold back on topics you feel intimidated by because you have a lot to teach as well. I am assuming that you are age 16, if you are, let me tell you when I was the age 16, I couldn't hardly express my self as well as you have done in the above quoted post. Also, I have seen some of your responses in some topics and even in the topics I started. I didn't even pay attention to the 16 in your name as being your actual age because you struck me as someone with wisdom and a whole lot to share. Not that it matters because we need all ages to contribute to the community but are you 16?

Just curious.
Astrologer4U,
Thank you soo much. I have been a little weary of what folks might say. (smile) But I am a soldier, so no real fear. I am far from 16, however under 30. I guess I say 'young' as far as understanding and knowledge of much of the Spiritual topics talked about on Destee. 16 is just a number I like. By the way, you are very encouraging to many, props to you too. I also tried to send you a message too.
 

Astrologer4U

Well-Known Member
MEMBER
Astrologer4U,
Thank you soo much. I have been a little weary of what folks might say. (smile) But I am a soldier, so no real fear. I am far from 16, however under 30. I guess I say 'young' as far as understanding and knowledge of much of the Spiritual topics talked about on Destee. 16 is just a number I like. By the way, you are very encouraging to many, props to you too. I also tried to send you a message too.

Yes I can tell that you are a soldier. In fact I was wondering what you wre talking about when you said that you hold back because you haven't exactly held back in this topic and you have been very forthcoming with much respect in other topics. You have the right approach my Sister, much wisdom.

I will check my messages right now little Sis.

Little Sis, Although you are not much younger than I...:tongue3:
 

Destee

destee.com
STAFF
Sis. Destee ( I am not trying to disrespect you in any way)

I think that this is an absolutely wonderful arsenal of love, knowledge, and community here. You should feel great about that imo.

I am a newbie. Been registered since Jan 08, so I am relatively unaware of the relationships here that have been built or broken because of disagreements. What I have noticed is this:

There are very knowledgeable people here on all subjects from A to Z. Honestly, it's a little intimidating. Now, I am a 'young' person so naturally I hold back from posting in some threads and just take in the information and study from it. So, I can imagine how it would feel to someone who feels they 'know' everything there is to know on a subject only to be confronted with someone who holds a view which is in totally contrasts to all they have 'known.' Such instances are met with Anger, Frustration, even jealousy that may come out in the form of Angry and sometimes Disrespectful posts.
I think I have witnessed this here. What's the problem with just saying, "Bro. or Sis, I don't really understand that? Can you explain or give me texts to read where you come up with that?" or even "Hey Sis/Bro. I just can't get with that?"
Instead there's alot of writing posts to try and invalidate that (opposing) person's view. at any available moment. Sis. Destee, I am new here and I find that a little disconcerting but it hasn't stopped me from coming here.
Sister Lite16 ... i don't believe i've ever had the pleasure of speaking with you before. I do appreciate you joining us, sharing, and overcoming whatever intimidation you may have felt, to add your opinion to all the rest! That is good ... Thank You and Welcome Sister!

What you describe above, is probably inherent to great debates and discussions, folk trying to prove or disprove each other. The very nature of debates, are antagonistic, as each side is usually arguing different perspectives. Depending on the individuals involved, emotionalism may be present too, though the less of this the better. Members have asked for more clarification on things, as you suggest they should. Yes, you're right, most all of that happens here.

I'm glad you've not let it stop you from coming.


But here is what I feel about this topic..
1. I don't want to say this as a woman, but here it goes and I mean no harm by it. (whether you believe which I really hope you do.) I think you and some others are being a little temperamental. I mean, it's one thing to say "Don't ever greet ME with Chaos and Curses," but it's a WHOLE NOTHER' thing to say it shouldn't be said at all between people here.
Sister ... i can see how you'd think that. It's reasonable and logical, to suggest that a person be concerned with their own self, and not try to impose their sensibilities on others ... or assume that others feel the way they do about different things. That really does make sense.

In this situation though, i have the unique responsibility of maintaining the collective peace in this community. It takes the above reasonable and logical thinking about self, to another level. It requires me to consider the whole. It's not about me being offended by the words, it's about this community's purpose, being violated.

When those things happen, i have to speak on it. They are not always easy to discern. I have to "try and figure it out." I have to try and be sure that it's not my own personal dislike or like, of a situation or person. I have to be as unbiased as possible, thinking primarily of what's best for the collective ... which happens to include many individuals. There have been many times that decisions made in this manner, went totally against what my own heart wanted to say and do.

No one else has this responsibility, not like i do. So while i try to explain it to you all, wear myself out trying to help everyone understand it, i'm slowly coming to the realization that everyone will not understand it ... no matter how much i try to explain it.

Had Brother Knowledge Seed greeted me with "chaos and curses" ... i probably wouldn't have said anything about it. Just like when he said something about this community, or destee, is dead. I don't believe i said anything to him about that either (at that time) ... though i found it quite disconcerting.

A Member is much more likely to get away with attempting to violate, offend, disrespect, diminish, etc., me personally, than they will trying to do it to any other Member, or us collectively. I don't get all in a tizzy when such things are hurled at me. I feel i'm able to take such blows, as i've done so many years. It's all like water on a duck's back to me personally, but to our purpose for being, to the level of comfort and peace we want to insure all that frequent here ... because of those things ... i can't let it go. It's my job.

I stand firmly in my responsibility of maintaining our collective peace ... and can say ... what will and won't be allowed here.


2. People here are giving (since some people don't want to say his name outright) Bro. Darkside soooo sooo much power and energy. (it's almost laughable when you consider this guy and how he views such things) If you allow someone to steal energy from you that's on YOU and noone else. Saying that a phrase has the power to crumble this PHENOMENAL site and/or its mission, takes away the power that it already has. Is this what happens in your (not sis Destee personally,but anyone) personal lives. Do people just come in and disrupt you and then all HELL breaks loose then it's over?? I am sincerely asking these questions because this just seems like energy being directed in the wrong directions. (I can just imagine the responses)
Sister Lite16 ... i think you've brought an excellent example to the table!

In one's own personal life, home, etc., someone comes in breaking the peace ... however one defines peace ... continually being asked to stop doing that ... and they do not stop ... then the person who's peace is broken, should do all they can to restore that peace ... up to and including, removing that person from their life, home, etc.

In many ways, this situation can be likened to the above.

I am saying to everyone here, some things are not allowed. Instead of saying okay Destee, we won't do that, i'm getting arguments about why it's okay to do this. That's krazee to me. How are you going to convince me, that it's okay to violate the house rules?!

It seems to me, at this point, if one doesn't like what is or is not allowed here, they'd just leave. Go to the place that allows all that you want allowed, or even build a place where you can do exactly as you'd like ... but to continually argue with me, or insist upon behaviors that i've repeatedly said are not acceptable ... is krazee.

Sister Lite16 ... who would you graciously welcome into your home, and then quietly watch them tear it apart?


3. I would say, if you don't like what a person says, and cannot handle the friction that is caused when you speak to that person... Then stop ENGAGING!
Why is this like WWIII or something?
Yes Sister, you're right. Many disagreements are on the level you've described above, where Members must simply stop engaging each other. I have recommended this many times, in situations that warranted that.

But this situation is different. Notice, those involved have never even spoke in this thread. Brother Knowledge Seed, who is normally quite forthcoming with his opinions, has not said a word regarding his greeting Brother KWABENA with chaos and curses. Likewise, Brother KWABENA has not responded either.

This is one of those situations, in my opinion, that rises above the norm ... that speaks to our foundational pieces. It is beyond me telling a Member, to just ignore Brother Knowledge Seed as he wishes curses and chaos upon you. It speaks to my hope for this community, its purpose, and i'll never be comfortable sitting back watching Members wish ugliness on each other ... even if those involved never complain about it.


You know, I have collected about 6 or so friends including Bro. DM and Meta, Bro. Blackbird, Sis True, Bro. OMO, Tyab14, and maybe I'm missing someone..i apologize.
But these are people who responded to my questions about things whether I agreed or understood or not with their views. They were open to me even though I am a new person. They gave me something to think about. However, they did not blow me off or come at me disrespectfully just because I posed a question. I appreciated that and Always will. Lastly, some people will never embrace people or views that challenge them. But, Sis Destee, It doesn't seem like this site was intended for only like-minded individuals. I thought the focus was about the individual (Africans and those in the Diaspora) and building a community OUT of our diversity.
Just my thoughts.. Again I love you and what you have done here.
Destee, you have my utmost respect. I thought maybe you wouldn't mind hearing from me. :SuN018:
Sister ... no one is required to have the mind of another, i don't think it's even possible. We are so diverse, so unique, so different. We all bring our individuality to the table, our own thoughts, hopes, agendas, etc.

The key is that we do that, while being true to the foundation of this community ... respecting each other.

If one can't respect our peace and purpose, while sharing their individual opinions and experiences ... they won't be here.

Sister Lite16 ... you are always welcome to share your thoughts with me, ask questions, get more clarification.

If i've not answered your questions sufficiently, or you have more, just let me know.

Much Much Love and Peace.

:heart:

Destee
 

Astrologer4U

Well-Known Member
MEMBER
It seems to me, at this point, if one doesn't like what is or is not allowed here, they'd just leave. Go to the place that allows all that you want allowed, or even build a place where you can do exactly as you'd like ... but to continually argue with me, or insist upon behaviors that i've repeatedly said are not acceptable ... is krazee.

Sister Lite16 ... who would you graciously welcome into your home, and then quietly watch them tear it apart?

Totally makes perfect sense!


The above quote reminds me of Europeans entering Afrika and other lands to take and corrupt the peace.

We black people already have enough issues with outsiders interupting our peace, now we dont' need to be doing that to each other. We do have the whole entire community to consider, not just ourselves as individuals or groups of like mind. The entire black community counts

If we could respect the rules, we can come to a common ground, that is of course if our mission is for the whole. On the other had if the mission is for ourselves as individuals, the results can become divisive and not contributing to the community as a whole.


Sister Astrolger4U
 

lite16

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MEMBER
Sis Destee,
Thank you for responding to my post. It was very eye opening. You are the owner of the site therefore what you say goes. I apologize. I guess I don't see the problem as you see it. You are coming from a different perspective, so that is natural. This at the top of the page: "We Are About Loving, Encouraging, Embracing, Teaching and Building With Black People. No Hate Allowed." is much easier said than done I imagine. I have actually found that out. Especially the embrace. You know, people say they can accept anyone. But do they usually mean it. I mean, the sweetest old lady on the block can have many, many witnesses that would attest that she definitely was the sweetest person they'd ever met. She was sweet until that darkie child showed up on the block. He just tinged her spirit. She couldn't understand him and honestly found him frightening. The lady couldn't put her foot on it but she JUST DIDN'T LIKE something about him. However, the sweet old lady could learn alot about really being sweet and acceptance from her getting to know the darkie child.
This is the best way I could describe my point. Forgive me. It was kinda wack but... What I'm saying is I saw alot of this kind of thing growing up bc I grew up in an all white town until high school. So, I always ran into people who the whole darn town and friends of mine say were soo nice and sweet, but really cruel to black people in the town. I liken the sweet lady to this site being that it is accepting and embracing of all peoples and the "darkie child" to all of the black people who frequent the site who can identify with something alternative rather than the fairly traditional religious or spiritual content talked about here. We are soo diverse and I feel that there is more to gain than lose sometimes. But you know what, I just wanted to let you know where I stood. I am comfortable with how you explained it AND better yet, I understand. So, with that said, I wish you ALL the best. And yes I will continue to share with you all. Thank you for the gracious welcome Queen Destee.:):)
 
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