Black Spirituality Religion : Wisdom

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  1. Music Producer

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    Deut:28:48: Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.

    Show me some Metu Neter wisdom that warns the people of the enemy.
    Show me some Metu Neter wisdom that the people can use to fight the enemy.
    Show me some Metu Neter wisdom that reveals our future.
    Show me some Metu Neter wisdom that warns the people about Jesus and his destroying followers.
    Show me some Metu Neter wisdom that begins to describe the black mans state of existing today.

    When Metu Neter promoters start revealing wisdom of the future and writings from ancient Egyptian priests that forewarn of the coming of the white man or gives details of the destruction of man or informs us of what black people need to do in order to reign in the earth again, then I will start to listen.

    Otherwise it is nothing more then a comic book that black people are once again being suckered into worshiping. I even began to suspect it to be the second faze of white supremacy.

    Jer:2:
    11: Hath a nation changed their gods, which are yet no gods? but my people have changed their glory for that which doth not profit.
    12: Be astonished, O ye heavens, at this, and be horribly afraid, be ye very desolate, saith the LORD.
    13: For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.
    14: Is Israel a servant? is he a homeborn slave? why is he spoiled?


    It had to have been an African Shaman who wrote the Holy Scriptures or Old Testament. How else could it describe our very actions today, going from Jesus to Metu Neter, to Voodoo, to Hindu, trying every religion we can find except the one that will save us.

    We have become so spoiled and lazy that we would rather hangout on corners all day selling dope to our own people and then write poems that glorify our own destruction.

    If we don’t get it together we ain’t going to make it.
     
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    you sound strident. like you are losing it. perhaps you should take a deep breath and exhale. rather than attacking what some other people are doing you should spend some time trying to correct a few of the many errors of fact and logic that you have made lately. i can no longer take you seriously.
     
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    Once again you show your ignorance of the contents of "Metu Neter." Where's your sense of shame?

    "Metu Neter" is not a holy book that preaches or prophesizes, and hence contains no verses, proverbs, sayings, etc. No claim has been made by the author that that's what it does. It is a system of spiritual cultivation (i.e., self improvement) that teaches how to become a better (more spiritual) person through meditation, ritual, and the use of oracles. The method of doing this comes from the religious systems of the ancient Black civilizations of Kamit, Indus Kush, and Canaan. On page 2 it says:

    I am here presenting a practical syncretism of the best that the Kamitic (Ancient Egyptian), the Dravidian (Black India), and the Canaanite (true authors of Kabala) religions have to offer. They were among the six nations that laid the foundation of civilization...In this volume...I have given the world the...means of discovering the Plan--the structural continuum--that the Supreme Being has put in place to enable the events in the world to unfold in an orderly and harmonious way. Become the Plan, and let Peace, Prosperity, and Spiritual Realization rule the world.

    What it does NOT say is "I am here presenting my predictions of the future."

    For you to demand that Metu Neter show you dis or dat is like me demanding that the Old Testament show me that it can predict the winner of the World Series, or the direction of the stock market in the coming months.
     
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    From Indus Kush, one of the ancient black civilizations whose religious practices are incorporated into “Metu Neter” vols 1 & 2, we have the following from the Vishnu Purana (ca. 1400 BC) :

    “The barbarians will be masters of the banks of the Indus, . . There will be contemporary monarchs reigning over the earth, kings of churlish spirit, violent temper and ever addicted to falsehood and wickedness. They will inflict death on women, children, and cows; they will seize upon the property of their subjects, and be intent upon the wives of others; they will be of unlimited power, their lives will be short, their desires insatiable. . . . People of various countries interningling with them, will follow their example; and the barbarians being powerful in the patronage of their princes while the purer tribes [of the earth] are neglected. . . . Wealth [spiritual]l and piety will decrease until the world will be wholly depraved. Property alone will confer rank; wealth [material] will be the only source of devotion; passion will be the sole bond of union between the sexes; falsehood will be the only means of success in litigation; and women will be objects merely of sensual gratification.

    “External type will be the only distinction of the several orders of life; a man if rich will be reputed pure; dishonesty (anyaya) will be the universal means of subsistence, weakness the cause of dependence, menace and presumption will be substituted for learning; liberality will be devotion. He who is the strongest will reign; the people unable to bear the heavy burden, khara bhara (the load of taxes), will take refuge among the valleys. Thus, in the
    Kali age will decay constantly proceed, until the human race approaches its annihilation. When the close of the Kali age shall be nigh, a portion of that divine being which exists, of its own spiritual nature shall descend on Earth, . . [They] will re—establish righteousness on earth. . . . The men who are thus changed...shall be the seeds of human beings, and shall give birth to a race who shall follow the laws of the Krita age, the age of purity.”


    From Kemet, another of the ancient Black civilizations whose spiritual practices are incorporated in “Metu Neter” we have:

    “It befits the wise to know all things in advance, of this you must not remain ignorant: a time will come when . . . divinity will return from earth to heaven. . .Oh Egypt, Egypt, of your reverent deeds only stories will survive, and they will be incredible to your children! Only words cut in stone will survive to tell your faithful works, and the Scythian or some such neighbor barbarian will dwell in Egypt. For divinity goes back to heaven, and all people will die, deserted, as Egypt will be widowed and deserted by god and human. . Whoever survives will he recognized as Egyptian only by his language; in his actions he will seem a foreigner.

    “[Imhotep], why do you weep? Egypt herself will be persuaded to deeds much wickeder than these, and she will be steeped in evils far worse. A land once holy, most loving of divinity, by reason of her reverence the only land on earth where the gods settled, she who taught holiness and fidelity will be an example of utter unbelief.

    "In their weariness the people of that time will find the world nothing to wonder at or to worship.... People will find it oppressive and scorn it. They will not cherish this entire world, a work of god beyond compare. . . They will prefer shadows to light, and they will find death more expedient than life. No one will look up to heaven. The reverent will be thought mad, the irreverent wise; the lunatic will be thought brave, and the scoundrel will he taken as a decent person. Soul and all teachings about soul (that soul began as immortal [and] expects to attain immortality), as I revealed them to you will he considered not simply laughable but even illusory... They will establish new laws, new justice. Nothing holy, nothing reverent nor worthy of heaven or heavenly beings will be heard of or believed in the mind.
    [They will be driven] to every outrageous crime--war looting, trickery, and all that is contrary to the nature of souls…When all this comes to pass Asclepius [Imhotep], then the master and father; the god whose power is prima ut . . will take a stand against the vices and the perversion in everything, righting wrongs, washing away malice in a flood or consuming it in fire or ending it by spreading pestilential disease everywhere. Then he will restore the world to its beauty of old so that the world itself will again seem deserving of worship and wonder.”
    [source: "Ancient Future" by Wayne B. Chandler]

    Be careful what you ask for Playa, 'cause you just might get it.


    Dang Playa, you sound like you need a role model and a hug .
     
  5. Music Producer

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    Sami:

    Good response but is those writings apart of Metu Neter, No?
    I told you to show wisdom from Metu Neter not to go get ancient writings from India.
    All of the arguing you did in saying the Hyksos were Caucasian now you have changed the whole scenery by admitting to a “Indus Kush” African Peoples being in Asia as late as 1400BC?

    So if we can have African Peoples in Asia during 1400BC, why couldn’t the Hyksos have been an African People?

    The one from “Ancient Future”, reads very much like the Holy Scriptures or Old Testament, got the book on order.
     
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    “It befits the wise to know all things in advance, of this you must not remain ignorant: a time will come when . . . divinity will return from earth to heaven. . .Oh Egypt, Egypt, of your reverent deeds only stories will survive, and they will be incredible to your children! Only words cut in stone will survive to tell your faithful works, and the Scythian or some such neighbor barbarian will dwell in Egypt.


    Isa:45:11: Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.

    Deut:31:18: And I will surely hide my face in that day for all the evils which they shall have wrought, in that they are turned unto other gods.

    Hab:2:11: For the stone shall cry out of the wall, and the beam out of the timber shall answer it.

    Isa:1:7: Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.


    For divinity goes back to heaven, and all people will die, deserted, as Egypt will be widowed and deserted by god and human. . Whoever survives will he recognized as Egyptian only by his language; in his actions he will seem a foreigner.


    Deut:31:17: Then my anger shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide my face from them, and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall befall them; so that they will say in that day. Are not these evils come upon us, because our God is not among us?

    Lam:1:1: How doth the city sit solitary, that was full of people! how is she become as a widow! she that was great among the nations, and princess among the provinces, how is she become tributary!

    Jer:14:8: O the hope of Israel, the saviour thereof in time of trouble, why shouldest thou be as a stranger in the land, and as a wayfaring man that turneth aside to tarry for a night?


    “[Imhotep], why do you weep? Egypt herself will be persuaded to deeds much wickeder than these, and she will be steeped in evils far worse. A land once holy, most loving of divinity, by reason of her reverence the only land on earth where the gods settled, she who taught holiness and fidelity will be an example of utter unbelief.


    Jer:3:21: A voice was heard upon the high places, weeping and supplications of the children of Israel: for they have perverted their way, and they have forgotten the LORD their God.

    Jer:18:16: To make their land desolate, and a perpetual hissing; every one that passeth thereby shall be astonished, and wag his head.

    Jer:19:8: And I will make this city desolate, and an hissing; every one that passeth thereby shall be astonished and hiss because of all the plagues thereof.

    Lam:1:1: How doth the city sit solitary, that was full of people! how is she become as a widow! she that was great among the nations, and princess among the provinces, how is she become tributary!


    "In their weariness the people of that time will find the world nothing to wonder at or to worship.... People will find it oppressive and scorn it. They will not cherish this entire world, a work of god beyond compare. . .


    28: The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart:
    Deut:28:29: And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.

    Isa:59:10: We grope for the wall like the blind, and we grope as if we had no eyes: we stumble at noonday as in the night; we are in desolate places as dead men.


    They will prefer shadows to light, and they will find death more expedient than life.


    19: That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it!
    20: Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
     
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    And I told you that:

    "Metu Neter" is not a holy book that preaches or prophesizes, and hence contains no verses, proverbs, sayings, etc. No claim has been made by the author that that's what it does. It is a system of spiritual cultivation (i.e., self improvement) that teaches how to become a better (more spiritual) person through meditation, ritual, and the use of oracles. The method of doing this comes from the religious systems of the ancient Black civilizations of Kamit (ancient Egypt), Indus Kush (ancient India), and Canaan.

    Since the Old Testament prophesizes, can it tell me who will win the Super Bowl next year?



    I have never participated in any discussion about the race of the Hyksos, so stop lying.

    As far as the "scenery" is concerned, I haven't changed anything. I simply pointed out that "Metu Neter", as the author clearly states on page 2 of volume 1, incorporates the spiritual practices of the ancient Black civilizations of Kamit(ancient Egypt), Indus Kush (ancient India), and Canaan, and that the current state of the world was prophesized in the writings of 2 of those 3 ancient Black civilizations whose spritual practices are incorporated into Metu Neter.

    Why you axin' me?
    It's an excellent book. I hope you don't misrepresent its contents on these boards the way you've been misrepresenting Metu Neter.
     
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    meteu neter obsession



    I have only read volumes one and two about three times a piece so i will not pretend to be a scholar. However mr music the meteu neter is just another way of opening up the dormaint state of sprituality within ourselves. It is not the no all do all for anything. If you donot like it as a forum of collective literature to guide you to your spiritual journey than disregard it brother. Stop embrassing yourself. YOU have asked me on several occassions to give u a deeper explanation of a lot of my post. Which just simply shows me that you are just glossing over the materail because you inherited bias(programming) will not allow u took look at any new information without looking for your god in flesh or any forum there of. I cannot give u an indept descrption of sprituality with one hot paragraph and niether can any of the others brothers whom have attempted to do so. This must be developed by your hu or amen or hidden intelligence within. This can only be achieved through study and assimulation of the fruit u receive. I belive this is an error that alot of the well learned indivduals on this platform have done when we know better. A man that knows something knows that he know nothing at all. At that is the plain truth. I allways caution u against speaking without out carefull thought and study of subject matter. There is a connection to the creator through all the manifestations of the creator by the creator khepra(the fashioner) which would take me alot of time for you to digest because you lack the base. Stop being stuck in historical dates and time which all of us know cannot be validated deal with what is here and exisit at this day in time. our ancestors sprituality ran alot deeper than the worship of this one being when we have several manifestations of the creator and overstood that we as (hu mans) are one of them so there must be a deeper connection than ones present in the degrees of chirstianity islam and judiasm. We hunger for that connection u might be fine with the one you currently have and that is cool with me. Like I all ways tell u Stop it music
     
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    Sami:

    Could you translate the meaning of “Metu Neter”?

    Yes it can, but you are probably not willing to learn and accept what is required to see the information.

    Because your statement about African people being in Asia as late as 1400BC conflicts with the arguments of other members of Metu Neter promotion.

    No, I am not the one who has been doing that, brother……….you need to talk with other Metu Neter promoters that promote the author of the Metu Neter as speaking out against the Old Testament or saying the Hyksos were white people or say a white man set on the Throne of Egypt before the Roman occupation or saying the white man founded Kemet.

    Those are the people you need to talk to about misrepresenting the Metu Neter. From what I am seeing from Metu Neter promoters I am starting to suspect it to be a white owned organization infiltrating black people.

    I can’t understand why a black man would argue a white prospective that degrades Afrocentricism. Can you explain that? It is an argument that has absolutely nothing to do with the Metu Neter.
     
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    I would say my acceptance of Dogon Cosmogony refutes your assertion of my programming or closed mindedness. I have been reading religious material for quite a while and I know when ideas have been barrowed from other ideas.

    The Metu Neter written by Ra Un Nefer Amen has been borrowed mainly from Qabalah. All he did was replaced the Hebrew alphabet that originally represent the Spheres in the Tree of Life with random Egyptian deities. The exact same Spirituality teachings exist in Qabalah / Kabbalah / Sefer Yetzirah with the exception that in the original books of Qabalah focus and importance of the Supreme Being is never lost as it is in the Metu Neter written by Nefer witch also borrows from other religions such as Toro and Yoga etc. This is one of the reasons I suspect the author, Nefer; never sites his origin of information to substantiate his works.

    The question becomes, was this actually practiced in ancient Kemet?

    Until the papyrus or archeological artifacts come to light that substantiates Nefer’s claims, I will have to put his book and spiritual ideas on hold and continue with what I already know. An Egyptian representation of the Tree of life has yet to be discovered. If it were true that the Egyptian practiced this Spirituality the ancient landscape should be littered with these ideas and paintings of the Tree of Life but that is not the case.

    Thus we have one or two cases:
    The information was reserved for Priest Tribe only and was blasphemy to recreate it.
    Or
    It was not practiced.

    http://www.aiwaz.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2
     
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