Black People : Winnie speaks on Nelson: "MANDELA LET US DOWN"

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  1. SPEAKFREEDOMnet

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    Uhuru Fam,


    Mandela Let Us Down
    South African Press Association
    Published Mar 10, 2010

    Johannesburg - Struggle stalwart Winnie Madikizela-Mandela bitterly lashed out at Nelson Mandela in an interview published in the London Evening Standard this week.


    She said South Africa's first democratically elected president, who is also her ex-husband, had become a "corporate foundation" who was being "wheeled out to collect the money".

    Madikizela-Mandela also called Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu a "cretin", in the interview with Nadira Naipaul, who visited her with her husband, the writer VS Naipaul, in Soweto.

    "Mandela let us down," said Madikizela-Mandela.

    'Bad deal for the blacks'

    "He agreed to a bad deal for the blacks. Economically, we are still on the outside.

    "The economy is very much 'white'. It has a few token blacks, but so many who gave their life in the struggle have died unrewarded," said Madikizela-Mandela, in the interview published on www.standard.co.uk.

    She said Mandela had no control over the ANC anymore and was just being used by the Nelson Mandela Foundation to get funds.

    "Look what they make him do. The great Mandela. He has no control or say any more. They put that huge statue of him right in the middle of the most affluent 'white' area of Johannesburg. Not here where we spilled our blood and where it all started.

    "Mandela is now a corporate foundation. He is wheeled out globally to collect the money and he is content doing that. The ANC have effectively sidelined him but they keep him as a figurehead for the sake of appearance."

    Others also suffered

    Madikizela-Mandela said Mandela was not the only leader who suffered.

    "This name Mandela is an albatross around the necks of my family. You all must realise that Mandela was not the only man who suffered. There were many others, hundreds who languished in prison and died.

    "Many unsung and unknown heroes of the struggle, and there were others in the leadership too, like poor Steve Biko, who died of the beatings, horribly all alone.

    "Mandela did go to prison and he went in there as a burning young revolutionary. But look what came out."

    Madikizela-Mandela criticised him for accepting the Nobel Peace Prize with the apartheid government's last president, FW de Klerk.

    "I cannot forgive him for going to receive the Nobel [Peace Prize in 1993] with his jailer [FW] de Klerk. Hand in hand they went.

    "Do you think De Klerk released him from the goodness of his heart? He had to. The times dictated it, the world had changed, and our struggle was not a flash in the pan, it was bloody to say the least and we had given rivers of blood.

    "I had kept it alive with every means at my disposal."

    TRC 'charade'

    She also lashed out at the Truth and Reconciliation Commission process, criticising Tutu, its chairperson.

    "Look at this Truth and Reconciliation charade. He [Mandela] should never have agreed to it.

    "What good does the truth do? How does it help anyone to know where and how their loved ones were killed or buried? That Bishop Tutu who turned it all into a religious circus came here.

    "He had the cheek to tell me to appear. I told him a few home truths. I told him that he and his other like-minded cretins were only sitting here because of our struggle and me. Because of the things I and people like me had done to get freedom."

    Looking back, she said the movement's actions were badly planned.

    "You know, sometimes I think we had not thought it all out. There was no planning from our side. How could we? We were badly educated and the leadership does not acknowledge that. Maybe we have to go back to the drawing board and see where it all went wrong."

    source uhurunews com is still blocked out from this site, however i wanted to keep with the rules and post the source. no offense intended.

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  2. medusanegrita

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    I think what she says is true, but there might be a tad bit bitterness surrounding it since he is no longer he husband.

    I wonder what she wanted him to do? Mandela is no revolutionary... well not in the sense of Steven Biko or Patrice Lamumba or Shaka Zulu. He is more like our own MLK, not MX. He wants to integrate, and you know what happened with integration in America - the whites allowed us into theirs, and we lost so much of our own in the process, things that were held in place by segregation. They have his stature in the white hood because maybe that was the first piece of integrating that section - with the black statue. But I understand where she is coming from. It's not the whites that helped him most, but his own people.
     
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    medusanegrita,

    Welcome to Destee.com, great post and good insight. Enjoyed reading how you framed the issues.


     
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    I got this in an email earlier this week. There is a lot of truth in the statements the winnie is making. I don't think that she is bitter I think is dissappointed and letdown. Winnie was loyal the him and got the shaft in return.
     
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    Sounds like two different issues. One issue - is this loyalty you speak of dealing with being by his side while he was imprisoned for 27 years? And when he gets out, they are married for what - about 5 years before he gets a younger woman and then a divorce? Is the 'shaft' the fact that he decides to leave her and get with the younger woman?

    If that is the case, then it would certainly make a case for her being a tad bit better.

    If that is not it, then what other loyalty has she shown Nelson and what 'shaft' has she gotten from him, or the ANC, or from anyone?

    The 2nd issue - what he done for SA since getting out of prison and becoming the first democratically elected president of SA - which (objectively speaking) has little do with his relationship (or lack thereof) with Winnie and her getting 'shafted.' While she may make a valid point that his term as president has been 'disappointing' - it is still tainted by the fact that she is now his x-wife, and I have to wonder how much of her malcontent is tainted on some bitterness from that. She may be more critical or harsh than she has to be.

    It is one thing to criticize Nelson Mandela (or Barack Obama for that matter) for the job they are doing, but it quite another to be Nelson Mandela (or Barack Obama) and to do their jobs. When you aren't in the driver's seat, everyone is just a backseat driver telling you what to do and criticizing you. When they are actually driving - then I'm sure it's a different feeling, different focus, different thing all together. And it may not be as easy as it looks.
     
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    Wow, Winnie looks great. Regal, happy, confident.

    From what I'm reading - I believe she really did do the initial interview. When it went public, two things may have happened

    1. She realized her comments may cast her in a bad light (such as what I said about her being 'bitter'), and then retracted some or all of the comments.
    2. Or the interviewer, Nadira Naipaul, may have indeed use her 'poetic license' to add things to the story or exaggerate them that may not be entirely true.

    I'm inclined to believe #1 or that it was a combination of both.

    And again I ask, what exactly was she or anyone expecting Mandela to do or accomplish during his presidency?
     
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    *Winnie Madikizela-Mandela on Friday said she never granted an interview to a journalist who quoted her in a British newspaper as saying her ex-husband Nelson Mandela had “let down” the blacks.

    “I did not give Naipaul an interview. It is therefore not necessary for me to respond in any detail to the contents of a fabricated interview,” Madikizela-Mandela said in a statement, referring to Nadira Naipaul, the wife of acclaimed novelist V.S. Naipaul.


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