Black People : Will you fly a flag on the 4th of July?

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  1. NNQueen

    NNQueen going above and beyond PREMIUM MEMBER

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    What do you think about the following article?
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    CAMERON TURNER: Black Flag-waving on the 4th


    "The forefathers of this country were,
    essentially, a militia. Our American flag was
    designed as an anti-imperialist symbol against
    Great Britain. The freedom of speech that we
    enjoy in this country was specifically designed
    in order that it be incumbent on Americans to
    stand up in the face of what someone might
    perceive as an egregious injustice and say,
    'No! Wait a minute! Stop!' That is ultimately
    patriotic!" -- Will Smith (during interviews
    for the film “Ali”)

    The 4th of July is a complicated holiday
    for black folks. A lot of us think it’s insulting
    or naïve to celebrate Independence Day
    considering all the racist oppression (a lot
    of it government-sponsored) that’s been dumped
    on us throughout American history. So, the last
    thing some black folks would ever think of doing
    is flying the flag proudly on the 4th of July, or
    on any other day for that matter. I certainly
    empathize with that point of is view but, after
    looking at the issue from a lot of different angles,
    I have decided that flying the flag is a good
    thing for black folks to do * for three basic
    reasons which I’d like to run past you now.

    The first and simplest of these motives
    is that the flag belongs to us, because America
    belongs to us. Racists want the world to believe
    that the United States was built and made great
    entirely by white men. But we know better.
    The U.S. has always been racially and ethnically
    diverse and the countless contributions by men
    and women of color -- on all levels of society * have
    defined this nation from the very beginning. Our
    blood, sweat and tears, our intellect, ingenuity
    and joy are integral parts of the American
    historical and cultural fabric. So, no matter
    what anybody tries to say, the United States
    is, has always been and forever will be
    our country!

    My second reason for displaying the flag
    is that it symbolizes the ideals stated in the
    Declaration of Independence and the laws
    codified in the Constitution -- the two great
    documents which were crucial to our struggle
    for freedom inside the “Land of the Free.” The
    righteous battles for civil rights were fought through
    boycotts, marches, sit-ins and voter registration
    campaigns. But, ultimately, our victories over
    segregation and discrimination were secured
    in the federal courts where heroes like NAACP
    lawyer Thurgood Marshall used the U.S.
    Constitution to overturn one racist law
    after another.

    Cameron has MORE at EURweb.com:
    http://eurweb.com/articles/columns/07012004/columns1517107012004.cfm
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    Aaahhhh...I bet you never knew that the US flag belonged to you just as much as it does to white people? See, if you live long enough, you're bound to learn something new. :puke:

    So, whose gonna fly that flag this weekend?

    Queenie :coffee:
     
  2. panafrica

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    I can answer this question in one word: Please! To be more specific, I can use two words: Hell Naw!
     
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    I won't be flying one in my yard....EVER!
     
  4. Chucky

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    Excerpt from Frederick Douglas' speech of 1852:


    "What to the American slave is your Fourth of July I answer, a day that reveals to him more than all other days of the year, the gross injustice and cruelty to which he is the constant victim. To him your celebration is a sham; your boasted liberty an unholy license; your national greatness, swelling vanity; your sounds of rejoicing are empty and heartless; your denunciation of tyrants, brass-fronted impudence; your shouts of liberty and equality, hollow mockery; your prayers and hymns, your sermons and thanksgivings, with all your religious parade and solemnity, are to him mere bombast, fraud, deception, impiety, and hypocrisy's thin veil to cover up crimes which would disgrace a nation of savages. There is not a nation of the earth guilty of practices more shocking and bloody than are the people of these United States at this very hour."


    I will never hang a flag in my yard or elsewhere on the fourth of July or any other day.
     
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    Excellent quote Chucky...that more than describes my opinion about the 4th of July!
     
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    I'd burn one before I ever hung one. I would throw up :puke: if I ever attempted to get a flag. I'm allergic to red, white and blue. What has this country ever done for me? I asked a friend of mine last night if she'd be celebrating the 4th and she said yes. She said we should be proud to be Americans because we are free....GO FIGURE. Why do people think we are so free? Just because we can supposedly speak our minds and walk freely and have freedom of religion? These are things that America has no right to try to take from us anyways. Why should we be grateful to America for these things? NO!!!! I will never raise a flag and I will never teach my kids to do so either.
     
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    sure, i'll hang a flag

    the only flags i wld eva hang around the inside or outside of my house, wld b the red, blk, & green african liberation flag, or the flag of hati, nigeria, or som other african nation like ethiopia.

    only problem is, once hung, f on the outside, i'd hv 2 post guards all around my property 2 keep the house knee-grows from abusing my property. as 4 the american flag, sure, i'll accept 1 f some1 happens 2 leave it laying around. i'll use it 2 wash out the comode, once there, it shld feel right @ home.

    but i'd like 2 make it clear, i don't hv a problem w other blk's hanging out their amerikkkan flags on the 4th or any other day. they jus nd 2 b :driveby: :driveby: :driveby: :driveby: :driveby: :driveby: :driveby: :driveby: :driveby: a couple of hundred times a day till they com 2 their senses.
     
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    I never been into the flag thing but respect others view if they like
    to fly it from their home , i never knew why they use to say it can't touch
    the ground ! what did they mean by that ???
    July 4th is a day as all the rest to me nothing more nothing less
    my answer is NO !
    everyone making some very very good points and reasons within .
     
  9. Aisha

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    THANK GOD I am not the only one. I felt like I was the only one that feels the american flag is a joke. I do not salute the flag or say the national anthem. The Flag was not made for us. The national anthem was not written for us. when they change the look of the flag and the national anthem then mabey I'll salute it. There is no justice for all. Not even for those that believe so strongly in the flag. I have heard that WE ARE FREE mess. We live in a country that will give reparations to other countries but will not rebuild our communities and promote education as reparations for the many years they have slaved blacks. I am going to church on Sunday and that's it.
     
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    4th of a LIE !!!!

    Puerto Ricans get Reparations... twice a month. Ooooh, wait, no... that's just the Welfare check. :nuts:

    While the service of my people and many of my family who fought and died in every major U.S. war of this century is to be commended... my star is simply too BIG to fit on their nasty waste of a cloth.

    When I received a degree at the University this past June and the U.S. anthem played during commencement... my fist went right up and in the other hand MY flag. When they instructed me to put it down, I raised it even higher... on it was a "NO 51" graphic. I don't care what ANYONE thinks about my actions. I've heard ENOUGH of the talking. This gov't doesn't listen to anyone, but their own dictators. It's time for ACTION !!
     
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