Black Spirituality Religion : Why Yahweh Adonai , Etc In Genesis 1 ; 26 Referred To As '' We '' Or '' Us ''

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    Why Yahweh Adonai , Etc In Genesis 1 ; 26 Referred To As '' We '' Or '' Us ''
    When Ever You See '' We '' Or '' Us '' In The Scripture It Is Actually Referring To God As '' Eloheem . '' Thus The '' God '' Of The Bible Is A Part Of A Group Of Gods .
    Genesis 1; 26 <> RighTranslation In Aramic ( Hebrew )
    And The Eloheem / Anunnaqi Said Amongst Themselves '' Now Let's Breed By Cloning People , Lulu Amelu A Homo - Sapien Of This Planet Earth Adamites Looking Just Like Ourselves , Anunnaqi , And Acting Like Ourdelves And We Will Give The Rulership Over The Fish Of The Sea , And Birds Of The Skies , And Over All Of The Non Speaking Mammals , And All Of The Creeping Thing That Greep Upon The Planet Earth ''
    Genesis 1 ; 26
    And God Said , Let Us Make Man In Our Image , After Our Likeness And Let Them Have Dominion Over The Fish Of The Sea And Over The Fowl Of The Air , And Over The Cattle . And Over All The Earth , And Over Every Creeping Thing That Creepeth Upon The Earth .
    Eloheem = Plural For God's Meaning More The One Gen 6 ; 2 ; 6; 4 ; Job 1 ; 6 ; 2 ; 1 ; Psalm 82 ; 1 ; 82 ; 6 ; John 10 ; 34 - 35 ,
    Eloheem Are The Angels Of El Or Messengers Of El . They Are A Host Of Beings That Do The Work Of El . Eloheem Are Found In The Beginning Of The Torah Genesis Chapter 1 And The Word Is Mistranslated As GOD ( Genesis 1 ; 1 ) . When It Was Translated Into English To Give The Impression That Its A Single Form , When It Is Really Plural . It's Plural Because Of The Last Two Letters '' Im '' Or '' Yod Mem '' In Aramic ( Hebrew ) . When This Is Added To The End Of A Hebrew Word , It Denotes Plurality . The Greek Theh - Os , In The New Testament Is Equivalent To The Word Eloheem . The Name '' Eloheem '' Is Used For Both Agreeable And Disagreeable Beings . If You Write Down The Word '' Eloheem '' You Will Find This Word Is Grammatically The Plural Form Of A Noun . The Lettrs '' Yod Mem , In The Hebrew Language Are Found At The End Of Ancient Syretic Words Which Have Been Grafted Into The Arabic Language . Hebrew Plurals In The Masculine , End In '' Im '' Yod Mem '' . To Add A ' S '' To This When We Introduce Such Words Into English , Is Improper . Therefore , The Word Should Be Written '' Cherubim ''' Not '' Cherubims '' . This Is To Show You That If Eloheem Can Be Defined As A Plural ( Meaning Gods And Goddesses ) ; How Can This Be Referring To El Eloh ? Within The Word Eloheem Is The Plural '' Im '' Which Mean '' They '' These Beings '' . So The Make It Clear To Everyone That The Ancient Hebrew Word Eloheem With The Last Two Letters Added Becomes Merely A Derivative Of Eloh , Which Is A Derivative From El , And If It Is A Derivative , Meaning Derived From . It Means Taken From The Original , Not The Original . Then It Can't Be The One Deity (God ) Because The One Deity Has To Be The Root Of All The Derivative , Not A Part Of The Root . Now El Can Be Part Of The Eloheem Which Is The Plural Of El ( The AngelicBeings ) Because Some Of Him Is In The Angels . He Of Course Is A Part Of The Eloheem ; Which Means They Are Also Refered To As The '' We '' Or '' Us '' .
    Deuteronomy 5 ; 7 < Right Traslation In Aramic ( Hebrew )
    You Are To Hold Loyalty To No Other Eloheem
    Deuteronomy 5 ; 7 < King Jame 1611 A.D. >
    Thou Shalt Have None Other Gods Before Me ''
    The Purpose Of Explanning This Word Is So That You Can Better OverStand That The Word '' Eloheem '' Could Not Be Referring To One Entity , As These Translators Believe That At Times El Eloh And His AngelicBeings Are Referred To In The The Scriptures , Ask Them To Explain Why It Is Found In The Torah ? Of Course They Can't , Because They Aren't Versed In The Original Aramic ( Hebrew ) Language , So I'll Explain To You Why . First Lets Take The Word Allahumma
    Koran 3 ; 26 < Arabic >
    Say ; '' O Allahumma ( The Eloheem / Anunnaqi ) . You Are The Maalik ''<> Ruler '' Of Al Mulki '<> The Rulership ' You Give Al Mulks The Rulership To Whomere You Please , And You Remove Al Mulka <> The Rulership ' From Whomever You Please ; And You ( Forify ) Tu'izzu <> Make Mighty ' Who You Please , And You Tudhillu <> Humble '' Whomever You Please , By ( The Aid Of ) Yadika <> ' Your Hands , Al Khayr <. Is That Which Is Good ' Surely You Have The Qadiyr <> Power Over All Things .
    Which Is Really From The Hebrew Word Eloheem In Genesis 1 ; 26 And Found In The Torah 430 Times . The Following Are The Three Word Used For The Creator In The Torah .
    1 . El < Aramic / Hebrew >
    2 . Elowah '' '' ''
    3 , Eloheem '' ''' '' ''
    And These Number Match Up Exactly To How Many Time They Show Up In The Torah . The Most Controversial Of The Three Words Is The Word Eloheem Or Allahumma . However , Before I Discuss The Word Eloheem Or Allahuma With You , I Would Like To Give You An Explanation Of The Word El And The Word Elowah . The Name Of Allah Is The Same In Hebrew As It Is In Arabic ; As You Will See From The Following Explanation ;
    1. El ( AL ) . The Word . If Found Within The Quote Isaiah 12; 2 Is In Reference To The Creator . It Has Been Mistranslated By English Translators As '' God ''
    Isaiah 12 ; 2 < Right Translation In Aramic ( Hebrew )
    Here , El Is My Salvation ; I Will Trust , And Not Be Afraid ; For The Ya Yahuwa Is My Strength And My Song Of Praise , He Also Becomes My Slavation .
    Isaiah 12 ; 2 King James 1611 A.D.
    '' Behold , God Is My Salvation ; I Will Trust , And Not Be Afraid ; For The Lord Jehovah Is My Strength And My Song ; He Also Is Become My Salvation . ''
    The Word El Or Al Is An Old Demonstrative Pronoun Slightly Pointing Out A Thing . The Following Definitions Have Been Taken From '' The Concise Staement Of The Principle Of Hebrew Grammar '' Published By Edward C . Mitchell .
    Hebrew ; El Arabic ; Al
    Used In The Sense Of The This Word Mean '' The '' It Is A
    Creator Being The Almighty Definite Article Pointing Out A
    Creator , It Literally Means Certain Thing , The Name Of Allah
    Strong , Power , Mighty One Is Made Up Of This Definite Article AL
    Or '' The '' And The Pronun Lahu Or ''
    For Him ''
    2 . Elowah ; Is Mentioned In Daniel 11 ; 38 ,
    Daniel 11 ; 38 < Right Translation In Aramic ( Hebrew )
    But In His Estate Will He Honour The Eloh Of Forces ; And A Eloh Whom His Father Knew Not Will He Honour With Gold , And Silver And With Precious Stones , And Pleasant Things .
    Daniel 11 ; 38 < King James 1611 A.D. >
    But In His Estate Shall He Honor The God Of Forces ; And A God Whom His Father Knew Not Shall He Honor With Gold And Silver , And With Precious Stones , And Pleasant Things . ''
    The Word Elowah Is Referring To Creator In The Preceding Quotes And Is Is Mistranslated As God , Elowah Is A Derivative Of The Word El . It Comes From The Ancient Form Of The Word Alahhu Or Elahh . Has Becaome Obsolete In The Hebrew Language , And It Corresponds With The Arabic Word Alaha or Ilaahi .
    Alahhu Or Elahh Alaha
    To Worship And To Adore To Worship , Swear , Adore ; From
    To Swear , From This Comes Thus You Get The Name Of The
    Eloah , Which Corresponds Creator Al Khaaliq .
    Of The Creator .
    Elahha Or Alahhu In Aramic For Alaha , Closely Resembles The Arabic Word Alaha . This Is Further Proof That Hebrew , Aramic And Arabic Are The Same Language . From The Ancient Chaldean Language , Both El . And Elowah Are In The Singular Tense .
    These Are The Same Words ! Just Look Close And You Will See They Are The Same . < Look At The Diagram Below >
    Aramic Arabic
    Eloahum ( Eloheem ) Allahumma
    Eloheem Is The Plural Of The Word Allahuma Is The Plural For The
    Alahhu , A Definition Given From Name Allah . The Plural
    A Hebrew Dictionary Entitled A Concise Hum Is A Representation
    Statement Of The Principle Of Hebrew Of The Creator And His Angelic
    Grammar '' By Edward G . Mitchell States Bening Also '' Allah And All His
    Eloahim Is A Plural Tense Of The Word Attributes '' The Attributes Called
    Goddesses . ( Psalms 71;17 ; 72 ; 1 ) The Koran 3 ;26 , 10 ; 10 , 39 , 46
    What They Are Not Telling You Is That This Word Eloahim Is Not In Quraish Or Modern Arabic Terms Or Even In The Terms Of The Modern Classical Arabic Used In The Koran . But It Is Another One Of Those Word That Has Been Grafted From . The Hebrew Term Eloahim . Which Came From The Syretic Term Brought From The Phoenicians , And The Babylonians. Originally From Cuneiform . It Is A Fact That Allahumma ( Or Eloahim ) Is Grammatically A Plural Word . It Is Made From Two Words , Allah And Hum Which Is The Arabic Suffix For '' Them '' Just Like The Jews And The Muslims , Christian Etc , Find The Word '' We '' Used In The Scriptures ( The Torah And The Koran Etc . ) ( And Still Say It Is A Singular Word )
    Now Ask Them How Can '' We '' Be < Singular > ? If God Would Have Wanted It To Be < Singular > He Would Have Said '' I '
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    Excuse me...but is not the word elohim a masculine/feminine word ? Furthermore, why so much reliance on a language that is fairly young on the earth ? Why so much reliance on supposed scripture that was not only stolen, but whose actual meaning was lost ? I remember when I was an Ansar Muslim under Iman Issa Al Hahdi Al Mahdi when they were in New York. Back then the brother was strong...before he started going off track. You know sometimes you remind me of one of his later students. No offence intended, so please don't take any...I mearly had a question I wanted to address.
     
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    OK, i read your discourse and the line of logic and reasoning. is the above the concluding statement?

    My question is, what is your teaching point and argument, is it that there is more than one G-d or that the one G-d used language to show that assistance in certain instances was being gotten from other beings......or something else......

    i'm trying to get the point of the discussion......

    Thanks in advance......
     
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    As Salaam Alaykum Wa Rahmatu llan Wa Baraakaatuhu Kayfa Haalaka < Keita
    < Keita > I Was Born Muslim And Iman Issa Al Hahdi Al Mahdi Was Also My Teacher And If You Were One Of His Student You Should Know Language Plays Important Part Of One Culture . When Knowing The Language You'll Have The True Overstanding Of What Was Said And What Was Really Taught < Most People Have A Thousands Of Reason Why They ShouldN'T Have To Know The Language . 80/90% Of The Muslim And Christian Here In The West Knows Nothing Of The Language Of Their Holy Book , Yet They Are The First To Say They Have The Truth . When In Fact They Know That The Prophet Muhammad & Yashua Never Spoke English / Greek / Latin . I Feel If One Going To Be Muslim Or Christian / Culture . Etc. They Should Know The Language Of The Belief They Are Addhereing To .. But Thats Just The Way I Feel . But To Each His Or Her Own Thing .
    < Keita >Araaka Fiy Maa Ba'd In Shaa A Allah :geek:
     
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    As Salaamu Alaykum < Keita >

     
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    Hello

    Thankyou For Making My Point , This Is The Reason Why One Should Know The Language Of There Holy Book . The Point I Was Making Is There More The One God According To The Scripture's And The Language Of The Scriptures . . This Is A Question I Put To A Minister At A Collage One Time .. If Everyone Came From Adam & Eve Then Why Don't We All Have The Same Blood Type And Why Don't We All LQQk Alike , Also If We Were Made In The Image And After The Likeness Of God . In Which Image Was God ???
     
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    As-Salaamu Alaykum wa RahmatuAllahi wa Barakaatuhu
    Yaa Akhi, IssaEl21

    Why did U begin by greeting me, Hell is Low? :lol:

    Then what do you think of the simple passage from the Qur'an:?

    "Qul huwAllahu Ahad
    Allahus-Sammad
    Lam ya lid wa lam yuulad
    wa lam yakunl-lahu kufuwan Ahad"

    Say, He Allah is One, Allah is He upon whom all else depends, He nerver was born and never was the parent of any offspring and there is none like unto Him

    ....and other passages that stress Tauheed or oness of Allah?

    The Why's that you mentioned about human differences i don't think support the premise of many G-d's, why do we all have differnt finger prints why the variations in crystal etc..........

    ...The only likeness that we have to the Creator in my estimation is the ability to take on the Creators attributes (Characteristics) like mercy, love, kindness, justices, etc. though not infinitely as does the Creator.......this does not refer to a physical likeness or appearance..........

    The explanation for the pluralities used in the language of the Scripture has another explanation, i think. i have accepted at this point that it is a language of Power and Authority and not of plurality.....because multiple dieties is unreasonable to me.....i too am a student of Arabiya but a long way from mastering it......Your focus on learning the languages, i must agree with whole heartedly and that many of the problems are in the misunderstanding or as you say misoverstanding of language.......

    wa Allahu 'alim
    and Allah knows
     
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    As-Salaamu Alaykum wa RahmatuAllahi wa Barakaatuhu



    < LaughingBigTime > According To Your Holy Book There Is Plura , God's = Allah's Rather It In English Or Arabic . As I Have Show You . But . Lakum - Diinukum - Wa Li - Ya - Diin = You Will Have Your Decision , And I Will Have Mine .
     
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    The Quraan Never Denies The Existence Of More Then One Allah .


    The Quraan Never Denies The Existence Of More Then One Allah .
    As We Read In Koran 43 ; 58 <> And I Quote ; And They Say , Are Our God's Best , Or He ? This They Set Forth To Thee Only By Way Of Disputation ; Yea They Are A Contentious People . '' The Word In This Quote In Arabic For '' Our God's '' Is Alahatunaa , Which Has The Word '' Allat '' , A Feminnie Form Of Allah Because Of The Use Of The Letter Taa Marbuwta '' Which Denotes The Feminine . However In The Original Arabic Of The Koran . Which Didn't Have Any Dot (*) Nor Vowel , So Without The Dots And Vowels , The Original Arabic , Before The Modernization And The Updating With Grammar , That Word Would Read '' Our Allahs '' Which Confirms The Use Of Allah As A Plural . And In Fact Koran 43 ; 45 , And I Quote '' And Question Thou Our Apostles Whom We Sent Before Thee ; Did We Appoint Any Deities Other Then ( God ) Most Gracious , To Be Worshipped ? Again In This Quote From The Koran The Word Deities In Arabic Is Aalihatan , The Same Pluralization Or More Then One Allah . Now Look At This List Of More Than One Allah Throughout The Koran ; Koran 38 ; 5 And 6 , Verse 5 The Words Used Are Al Aslihat , Ilaahaan Waahidaan , Which Means '' The Allahs Into One Ilah '' And In Verse 6 Where The Word Used Is Alihatikum , Meaning Your Allahs . Also In Koran 36 ; 74 We Find Both The Words Allah Meaning '' One Allah '' And Alihatin Meaning '' More Than One Allah , Or Simply Allahs . '' Then In Koran 7 ; 138 You Find The Words Ilaahaan Meaning An Ilah And In The Same Verse We Have Alihatun , Again Meaning Allahs , And Koran 7 ; 140 And This Is A Very Important One Because In This Verse , Allah Is Being Called A Ilahin Telling You That All Of These Are The Same Arabic Word And That Contrary To Whatever Scholars Try To Pretend , They Are As Conscious As The Jewish Rabbis Who Translate Elohim As A Singel When They Know That It's A Plural . This Deception Is Repeated Again And Again In The Koran By Those People Who Seek Deceive You , Allah's Name Can Be Pluralized , Meaning Simply Anything From 3 To Any Number Of Amounts . It Can Be Dualized As The Kotan 16 ; 51 Where The Word Allahain , Meaning Two Allahs .
     
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    That can't be so, as the Father stated, none are beside He, as the Most High. I can understand there being angels, however, who said angels look like how men look? If that were so, they wouldn't need to change their image to come to earth, but would stay the same.;)

    A lot of people think they have understanding to what is meant in that part of the Scriptures, but it takes one of faith to truly see the wisdom written there. :) The Son has shown many Holy Works when He came for His sacrifice for our sins, and taught much wisdom to His faithful. So how much more will one learn after He has been Resurrected and now sits at the right hand of the Father, if they only have faith and believe in what He has done for our salvation? There's much to learn in the Holy Doctrine, and as we continue down the road of righteousness, much to learn about all that is around us, which the Father does share in wisdom.
     
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