Black People : Why Whites Honor Confederate Soldiers ??

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  1. AACOOLDRE

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    WHY WHITE PEOPLE HONOR CONFEDERATE SOLDIERS?


    South Carolina was the first state to secede from the Union. On December 24, 1860, the state issued its*Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union.*This document is South Carolina’s declaration of independence from the Union.
    The following text is an excerpt from the document, and a very large excerpt at that. For emphasis, I have*bolded*the word*slave,*or other references to slavery, such as*labor, which refers to slave labor; and*persons. In some cases, I’ve added a parenthetical note, with the abbreviation Ed. (for Editor), to explain a comment which might not be immediately understood by the reader.
    I think it’s quite clear: South Carolina seceded because they believed that the institution of slavery was in peril. Here, in their own words, is South Carolina’s reason for leaving the Union:
    The people of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D., 1852, declared that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States, by the Federal Government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the States, fully justified this State in then withdrawing from the Federal Union; but in deference to the opinions and wishes of the otherslaveholding*States, she forbore at that time to exercise this right. Since that time, these encroachments have continued to increase, and further forbearance ceases to be a virtue.
    And now the State of South Carolina having resumed her separate and equal place among nations, deems it due to herself, to the remaining United States of America, and to the nations of the world, that she should declare the immediate causes which have led to this act.
    In the present case, that fact is established with certainty. We assert that fourteen of the States have deliberately refused, for years past, to fulfill their constitutional obligations, and we refer to their own Statutes for the proof.
    The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: “Noperson*held to*service or labor*in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such*service or labor,*but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due.”
    This stipulation was so material to the compact*(i.e., the Constitution- Ed.),that without it that compact would not have been made.*The greater number of the contracting parties held*slaves,*and they had previously evinced their estimate of the value of such a stipulation by making it a condition in the Ordinance for the government of the territory ceded by Virginia, which now composes the States north of the Ohio River.
    The same article of the Constitution stipulates also for rendition by the several States of fugitives from justice from the other States.
    The General (federal) Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the*non-slaveholding*States to the institution of*slavery,*has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution.
    The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged fromservice or labor claimed,*and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution.
    The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of*anti-slavery*feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress.
    In the State of New York even the right of transit*for a slave*has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting*servile*insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the*non-slaveholding States,*and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.
    The ends for which the Constitution was framed are declared by itself to be “to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.”
    These ends it endeavored to accomplish by a Federal Government, in which each State was recognized as an equal, and had separate control over its own institutions. The*right of property in slaves*was recognized by giving to free persons distinct political rights, by giving them the right to represent, and burthening them with direct taxes for three-fifths of their*slaves; by authorizing the importation of*slaves*for twenty years; and by stipulating for the rendition offugitives from labor*(i.e., runaway slaves – Ed.)
    We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the*non-slaveholding States.*Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of*slavery;*they have permitted open establishment among them of*(abolitionist – Ed.)*societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the*property*of the citizens of other States.
    They have encouraged and assisted thousands of*our slaves*to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures toservile*insurrection.
    For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common Government. Observing the forms of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself.
    A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man (Ed. note: Abraham Lincoln)*to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to*slavery.*He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that*“Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free,”*and that the public mind must rest in the belief that*slavery*is in the course of ultimate extinction.
    This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship,*persons*who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety.*(Ed. note: The infamous Dred Scott decision was seen by many as declaring that African Americans could not be US citizens.)
    On the 4th day of March next, this party*(Ed. note: Lincoln’s Republican Party)*will take possession of the Government. It has announced that the South shall be excluded from the common territory, that the judicial tribunals shall be made sectional, and that a war must be waged against*slavery*until it shall cease throughout the United States.
    The guaranties of the Constitution will then no longer exist; the equal rights of the States will be lost. The*slaveholding*States will no longer have the power of self-government, or self-protection, and the Federal Government will have become their enemy.
    Sectional interest and animosity will deepen the irritation, and all hope of remedy is rendered vain, by the fact that public opinion at the North has invested a great political error with the sanction of more erroneous religious belief.
    We, therefore, the People of South Carolina, by our delegates in Convention assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, have solemnly declared that the Union heretofore existing between this State and the other States of North America, is dissolved, and that the State of South Carolina has resumed her position among the nations of the world, as a separate and independent State; with full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent States may of right do.
    Adopted December 24, 1860
     
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    this would be the reason that south Carolina used for seceding from the USA, but The people alive today are simply honoring their ancestors, who fought and died in the Civil war.

    No different than Dominicans honoring their fallen that died freeing The Dominican republic from Haiti.
     
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    I dont see the people in germany honor Hitler's soldiers and generals, except for a fringe.

    You can't remove the reason the original cause and effect.

    And this wasn't isolated to SC. I just used their own documents to show the mindset of the entire south.

    they should with their own money honor people who died for slavery not use state gov for this bull.

    Honoring confederate soldiers no diffirent than honoring KKK members who were original confederate soldiers.
     
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    No they the white confederates are longing for the days of slavery,torture,murder,castration,rape,burning at the steak,lynching and oppression of Black people. But why should we care?the conned-federates got their ***** kicked in the civil war,by black soldiers who escaped, or were freed by union army members from bondage.

    So this thread is interesting in it's name, why do these undereducated,cowardly,pink men and women still fly that flag,the flag of the losers???? because they're still bitter about that but whooping laid on them by the union and those Free Blacks.

    So go ahead redknecks,secede again,and will beat you down like we did the first time!

    And if you the person who posted this nonsensical post above, are really of Afrikan decent,or a Black Latino (let me guess one of those clearly Black Latinos who think that because they speak Spanish, they are not Black lol. but really I think you are a white person). Well all i can say reading your post is,you are a weak minded punk. Those same Confederates you are defending would kill you if they got a chance,probably calling you the nword while doing.And reading your post,I'd probably cheer them on lol.
     
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    http://www.africanaonline.com/civilwar_black_troops.htm

    Guess it was only right that the Black union soldiers were among the first soldiers to occupy Richmond,VA the Confederate capital. I think us as Blacks can fight back with reminding the world what a big role Afrikan Americans played in killing the Confederacy!

    In a nut shell,the capital of Confederacy was sieged in part by the same Blacks they once held in bondage..

    The rebel flag is a symbol of the losers,they are just bitter. lol

    This topic is close to me,I live in VA,these whites here have rebel flags on everything,I'm like with all the money you spend on flags,you could by some teeth lol.
     
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    Let me see do I care what you think??? NO I DONT. No defense of anyone, just a point of view. We get beat on all the time for Celebrating the 27th of February. Our independence day from Haitian rule, but guess what we will keep doing it.
     
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    You obviously don't read much,all I can say is you are a fool,I have zero respect for grown fools. Crack an internet page open and read what slavery,and confederacy was. Read about the Dixiecrats ,Jim crow,and what people who fly that flag really want!!!!!!! You are so weak,ignorant,and gullible you are buying this crap the whites are feeding you. You are an embarrassment to Blacks world wide.

    Answer me this, do you seek to enslave,kill or destroy Hatians. i know Domicans jet black don't call themselves black in order to differentiate them selves from Haiti who are the same Black people as you are. matter of fact,you don't have to be black we don't want you,you are not smart enough, or strong enough to be Black. Now go lick some white boys boots you foolish man lol....
     
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    an then you think every one should think the same as you! Might be why people around the world look at American's as Arrogant.

    Nope don't want to kill, enslave Haitians, Just want them to stay in their own country! Not really concerned with YOUR history. whatever they are Dixiecrats, Jim Crow, sounds like your problem not mine. And don't worry you can keep your USA, don't sound like the place I would want to go anyway.
    You need to realize again that I really don't care what you think.

    We study a different history than you do. Here Sir Francis Drake was nothing but a pirate. There he was some kind of English Hero. This is not the only difference. But your like one of the 7 blind describing the elephant, you can only see your side.
     
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    This is exactly wtf I'm talking about. "Dominicans" are old slaves from spanish rule. They were either raped or economically manipulated into mixing with the spaniards. There are several " Dominicans" in New Orleans who had to drop the spanish tounge back in the racist south during the 60s. Now you can't tell these nuts from any other blacks. Black folk just note them as having "good hair". But unfortunately blacks also have an internalised 1 drop rule. 1 drop of any white blood and now I'm no African even though they would run "domincans" side ways out of spain just as the "dominicans" kicked out the spanish. Why not recognize that since you are in an Afro American board room? WHAT A PITY!!!!
     
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    No you think how you want, and if you think out loud in support of Confederacy Month in the American state (commonwealth) of Virginia, on a Black American public forum,don't think you won't get called out. I don't speak for all Black Americans,but I speak for me. If you are not concerned with our history,then why are you commenting on American history like Confederacy,and American civil War? You say you study different history that's obvious, hence your ridiculous comment concerning Confederate month,the states and the war.

    You said Confederate Month in Virginia,USA is just to commemorate their fallen soldiers, how can you make this comment when you don't study our history? Actually that's why you made that comment, cause you don't study our history, nor should you have to,you are not from here,but I am simply saying your point of view is completely wrong.

    Confederacy is not only history,this is a Modern day movement of European American politicians,and their civilian white supremacist terrorist supporters mostly from the same Southern US Confederate states that were defeated in the Civil war,who wanted to keep Blacks,Native Americans,Caribbeans, Asians,Latinos (so called) and Biracial people in Bondage or apartheid, and they seek these days to gain political office,and enact legislation to benefit them selves financially,to oppress and cripple people of color,to stack the US Supreme court with Confederate Minded Judges , to slowly eradicate the laws protecting people of color from murder,torture and slavery,including Dominican Americans. Meanwhile on the low,their civilian terrosit supporters commit random acts of violence against people of color in the US including Dominicans.

    What side of the Island Haitians live on is the business of your island and country. You said you don't want to enslave Haitians,well Confederates want to enslave anyone not white,including Dominicans in the US. So back to the subject,Confederacy month is not a tribute to their fallen Soldiers, it is an attempt to bring back segregation and take away ALL rights of people of color in this country including Dominicans.

    They (the Confederate States) were not "fighting" for freedom in the Civil war,they were fighting to keep people of color enslaved including slaves imported from your Island into this country, the same thing they want now.
    So please read our history,before you get on line and support a system that enslaved your ancestors and mine.

    I think you are more interested in saying anything opposite of Black American interests, I have read your posts before.
     
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