Black People Politics : WHY VOTING ALONE CAN NOT AND WILL NOT BE ENOUGH!

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  1. willa

    willa Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Excellent post ogoun. Let's all do critical thinking and put together some simple math regarding the system of debt. If, Reagan was trying to reduce the government debt at 3 trillion, going on 4 trillion dollars when he was President, can we afford Bernie Sander's Socialist America now at a 21 Trillion dollar debt?

    If we are in jeopardy of losing our Social Security in a few years because of debt then how do we take on waves of illegal immigrants by the 7 thousands to house and feed them. We already have those who have taken jobs before, but a lot of that money has gone back to their home countries. These new illegal immigrants trying to push through carrying flags from home will likewise do the same. The other side of that is those who will go on welfare. That money is needed for Social Security. We have Medicare, and Medicaid is offered to those with serious medical need beyond what they have money for. Add to that universal for everyone Medicaid that is now being proposed. Where is that money coming from?

    What about jobs? We don't need the jobs for our citizens that these others will take and send the money home to Central American nations? Not everyone is paying taxes to come back into the U.S. treasury.

    Education for their kids takes money, the states pay half and the feds match that payment. More schools, teachers with paychecks needed.

    Somebody needs to take control of the purse strings. For instance Trump has stopped sending huge millions over to those countries who have been yelling "Down with America!" Fine! We will not darken their door step with our checks any more. Are you against this financial move to pay off our existing debt?

    Finally how do we expect a Socialist America will take care of these issues, since the principle is to pay for much of everything which cannot be afforded, and the Communist WOLF government wants you to pay them for the majority of everything. P.S. Communism doesn't like God and doesn't want you to have him for your life to save you from the consequences of evil, which is also that regime.


     
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    Wow! That was sooooo fun!! Whhooo...
     
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    ogoun Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    On Howard Zinnn and his story as an activist as well as a historian.
    "......... A People’s History of the United States, a book that prompted many readers to, for the very first time, see the United States’s foundational myths of American innocence and meritocratic reward as lies."

    https://jacobinmag.com/2018/11/howard-zinns-life-on-the-frontlines

    Howard Zinn’s Life on the Frontlines

    Howard Zinn's life was a model for left-wing intellectuals to both produce and take action to transform the world.
    jacobinmag.com


     
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    Some large brain will figure out how much the various voter suppression tactics used in some of the largest Black regions contributed to those polling stats.

    It'd be an interesting experiment to have an election with only two questions on the ballot; check this box if you want democracy or check this box if you're happy with oligarchy.

    Bet it'd be a close race.
     
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    ogoun Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Returning to what I can only call systems thinking.
    Two Harvard professors give a class lecture along with some question and answer.

     
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    Why don't you start a separate thread using this video and the other Cornell West video on the other thread and run with it?
     
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    ogoun Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    What could I call it SOA, paregoric? lol
    I don't know, the bell hooks / Cornell West vid was one I enjoyed even if their prophetic journey isn't one I share. And in truth I was torn about where to put it; education?, tack it on 'the America is falling'?, find an appropriate place in the religious section?, or as they delved a bit into the bankrupt American culture sliding it in here along with my systems thinking bent while pursuing the question of 'why voting alone won't.......'?
    I'm going to have to replay the Prof. Unger's part of the lecture again so I might pick up more about how he deconstructs our present socio-economic condition.

    ps.
    To try and answer a question you had about the bell hooks vid.
    I can't say much about the veracity of her suicide figures or where she got them, but yeh they did kinda jump out at me as well. Why I let it go though was because somehow I put those figures in among those of the cloth that weren't true to their professed calling they were talking about either just before or just after mentioning suicide numbers. (if memory serves)
    MMMM, I hope that makes some sense.
     
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