Black People Politics : WHY VOTING ALONE CAN NOT AND WILL NOT BE ENOUGH!

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  1. willa

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    This is what is different: The vote this time means, a national Socialists/Socialism. I got Pelosi's text. Or a Constitutional wealth based on Capitalism which pays for the things taken for granted.
     
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    When was the last time capitalism paid the cost for anything?
     
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    I don't think we could count that far back.
     
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    Good grief where do you live and what do you wear? If you can't tell the difference check out Venezuela who "used to be like America" according to a woman on the news from there. It was a change to a Socialized government that has brought their grief.

    Plus as I have said a few times people come in from other countries for "specialized medical treatment" and it is not a Socialist government that can afford it. That is the result of our Capitalism that we can have it available.

    Now look at what happens in America when Socialists rule -- San Francisco!
    California got out from Governor Moonbeam Brown only to vote in the new Governor Newsom (Sp?) Do you know who was Mayor of Poop City with its syringes overflowing the sidewalks? Newsom, now Governor.

    Ten thousand businesses big and small have left California since 2008. People are leaving California by the droves. People leaving like that doesn't help the sales of homes because who wants to move to Cali. now? Those people jumping out are teachers, medical people, people who want a better place to live, leave.

    Do you know the last visit I had there last summer, there was no such thing as a bank to have an open door policy, where you just go through the door of your bank to do business. The doors are locked in Antioch and the teller sits behind bullet proof windows. The people who want to bank there slide a member card for the door to open.

    So do you know what is being bandied about by some Socialists, Cortez for one, and how many people support her? We "need to abolish the Senate and ICE who stop Illegal immigration. Well Newsom will support her because he is for open borders as well.

    The World Health Organization is worried about conditions that are existing in SanFrancisco now ripe for a plague to begin. For this same reason they are worried about caravans pushing their way across our borders carrying ten diseases that are seen typically in South America.

    Something not seen before in the States is, a Polio like disease affecting mostly children and is moving up in the numbers affected from the weeks before. It is found in 22 -23 States.

    The other rare disease is the Adenovirus which has been a killer already.
     
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    I gotta go with you on this one Willa. Venezuela was, still is and always will be so oil rich, historically it actually bolstered the economy of Aruba because of it's proximity and everybody prospered until that Hegemony loving Hugo Chavez couldn't wait to dismantle The Puntofijo Democratic Rights Pact in 1999, it was downhill for human rights ever since. Same with Cuba in a sense even though Batista was as corrupt a head of state as they come but he didn't hold his people in an iron death grip like Fidel did. Batista was a greedy politician but an astute businessman and was starting to bear witness to his people finally living the life destiny with a little help from the American Mafia planned for them when Fidel and his racist sidekick Che completely turned Cuba on it's head in the name of Marxism. The rest of Cuba's shameful Communist history is one of the worst the Western Hemisphere has witnessed second only to Haiti. I have to admit though, Communism is not exactly a totalitarianism but more akin to a shared Marxist regime.

    1. The Politburo
    2. The oligarchs
    3. The dirt poor masses, even the nonexistent middle class usually known as blue collar civil servants are dirt poor. White citizens over there experience what we American Blacks experience here on a daily basis. White America is in an uproar because White Americans are fast losing White privilege and hope of prolonging the historic ever-present White American dream of social power, control and relevance. They're in our place now and it doesn't feel so good to be on the other side of the fence with the same people you spat on for centuries.

    Well that's how I see it, just my humble opinion. I'd say more but I'm busy trying to convince myself that to look upon the election results in some glass half full mindset.
     
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    All that is easy to believe if one neglects even recent history much less reading deeper into the past.
    For instance Cuba; who installed Batista? And who was benefitting from his banana republic serfdom? And who was so pissed off at losing all their cash cows that they refused to ever consider making any peace with anything remotely Socialist and driving both Fidel and Che into the arms of the USSR if for no other reason but in self-defense. Because the USSR never entered the picture until AFTER the fact.
    Throughout the S. American continent the US has messed about in other countries politics at the behest of capital starting well since when? The easiest place to begin would probably be with the United Fruit Company and when the term Banana Republic first came into the lexicon in the early 1900's (head scratch) I think. Usurping lands from the peoples, work them as slave labor and the profit leaves the country with nothing left for the peoples or their communities and backed up by armies provided and paid for by guess who. Capitalism at it's finest.
    And that in a nut shell is the revolution of the likes of Che; return to the peoples THEIR lands and THEIR resources for THEIR benefit however THEY might run THEIR politics. But allow the people access to the resources they already rightfully own.

    For recent history we only have to go back as far as that rat Ronnie boy and Nicaragua and the BS he pull in that region. And today if you don't think we've not got our fingers in the pot stirring in our bit poison in Venezuela or in Brazil or Chile or Colombia or Bolivia or anywhere else in S. America then I'd say stop drinking the Kool-aid, it's laced with bad acid.
     
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    Yes Willa, well spoken as a person that knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.

    Now back to my original question; when was the last time Capitalism paid the cost of anything?
     
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    ogoun you have no argument from me in that regard. If you're anywhere near my age you've done the Cowboys and Indians thing, the G.I Joe soldiers thing too. Not to forget the infamous 007 attache case we used to take with us to the movies to watch Sean Connery in the latest dream. Back then guys actually thought there was a real spy school. In retrospect that was the indoctrination of The White Hat American hero to the global downtrodden masses and military recruiters didn't even need to leave their air conditioned recruiting centers. Hello hero, wanna help save America from the Vietnamese Commies? Here ya go, just sign here. Bring back some ears if you get to live. Everybody's in on the global money grab bag. Everything's for sale including souls. One good thing about the movies if you separate the wheat from the chaff is they reflect the real world of geopolitics. The sewer of lies, betrayal, disloyalty and treachery. You'd never call a Somali pirate a raping kidnapper and murderer if you knew the real history behind their rage and anger at America and The European Nation. You'd shed not one tear when watching ISIS behead our errant USAF/CIA/DIA/XES pilots and more so the little darling little freckle face scrubbed clean young White college students a/k/a CIA deep black contract operatives accidentally crossing the Iranian border all confused with backpacks filled to the brim with Satcom equipment, CIA laptops, Iridium Satphones and other exotic college stuff for fake Liberal Arts courses. Our esteemed State Department kinda forgot to mention we give every country in Central America tens of millions of our tax dollars a year for what pray tell? Those same countries who's citizens are fleeing from what?
    Castro was astute, he played us like a flute with the Mariel embarrassment and now the Cubans have good, not so good and just plain bad political influence and control in South Florida. They ran the murderous Medellin Cocaine Cartel cowboys out of Miami all while the DEA whistled Dixie. The Miami Vice TV Series was an especially charming distraction to the stark reality of "The politics of contraband". Thanks to Billy Clinton Long Island is run by MS-13 and cant bury the bodies of their victims fast enough between gang related killing sprees. Every 1st, 2nd and 3rd world weapons bearing nation state always has back door diplomacy but more so back door global treachery by either playing both sides against the middle which is akin to selling weapons to both sides of a conflict then bolstering the winner with continuing lucrative arms deals while providing relief to the loser of the year with money only to get it back with back door arms deals for planned coups so the losers and winners keep riding this merry-go-round of killing each other while America rakes all their own cash back into the bank for the next planned war. Sorta like job security or planned relevance. Colonialism waste resources so like our murderously successful drone program we remote control our vested interest too, keeps our military boys and girls alive to fight the good fight and more importantly keeps our tainted and bloody paws clean. A win win for all, well maybe not for us tax paying Americans but you know who I mean.
     
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    I'm not real sure many growing up in the 50's escaped the good guys vs gangster bad guys cum cowboys vs bad guy Indians fade to the law and order good cowboys out drawing the cowboy bad guys at noon on Main Street or in the bar as everybody bellies up for shot of rye whiskey. No, I'm not sure many ever out grew those rather twisted kind of repurposed passion plays, after all the same messaging was repeated endlessly in the school text books. Myself, I don't remember being very absorbed by any of it, not only was it all just too predictable but somehow to me it all felt just wrong like some part was missing and I always was kind of puzzled and sometimes bemused when my friends or peers would want to play a roll in those weird disjointed 'passion plays'. If you caught me at the movies or me watching one on tv it was more than likely because of the buxom beauties that were always a feature, that seem to be the message I was always after. Anyways if I ever bought into the myths they were pushing, for one reason or another it didn't last long for me.

    The only Somalia story I've heard I can believe is that it turned into a criminal state because the powers that be fished out the fish stocks off shore leaving the Somali's not many choices for any livelihood or survival.
    And how stupid of a cover story can one make up? Oh oh I know, lets go take a vacation hike in the mountains in the middle of a war zone! Doesn't that sound like fun? And we'll get to play spy at the same time! Gawd, what planet do these people come from?

    Talk about a good cover story though, how much better can it get then the war on drugs? That one really must be among the top ten and someplace near number one. It even lends some plausibility for invading whole countries, swamping a country side in weapons, the build up of police forces for control here at home, fill the jails for a bit free labor, and still rakes in the cash from those same drugs on the back end that'd make any cartel feel like a pauper. Jeez, if only I could think up a scam half as good. Are we sure the agribusiness don't own those coke plantations?

    M-13, the Shinning Path, ISIS, etc etc; in my mind America holds much same responsibility for their formations as it does for the ghettos and blight of our peoples here at home. And geopolitically why does America find itself never actually fighting for the good guy but over whose despot is going funnel some unobtainaridium in whose direction. Wouldn't it be just as easy to fight for the good guy and purchase the unobtainium through good will while at the same time actually spreading and practicing that old trope freedom and justice for all?
    I've never read it, but maybe if we sent all members of congress a copy of 'How to Win Friends and Influence People' . Think it'd bust the budget? Or would it have to come out of my Social Security check?
     
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    Here's a little Truth:

     
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