Black People Politics : WHY VOTING ALONE CAN NOT AND WILL NOT BE ENOUGH!

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  1. RAPTOR

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    Exerpts from James Clingman's article:
    Blackonomic$: Symbolism without Substance
    —Ferguson to Jena


    ...There are many instances of Black men killed by police with
    impunity. So what’s my point? Well, as I watched the church
    services and listened to the speeches in Ferguson, I eagerly
    awaited the speakers’ solutions. I could have missed it, but I never
    heard a solution that centered on economics. I heard the

    obligatory voting solution, in light of an embarrassing 12
    percent turnout among Black voters, but an “I Voted!”
    sticker will not stop a policeman’s bullet, and voting
    alone will not change our condition in this nation.


    Money runs politics, and when campaign donors are against
    something they will get results from the politicians they support,
    especially when their bottom-line is adversely affected. For
    example, can you imagine Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz, Coca
    Cola CEO Muhtar Kent, Pepsi Cola CEO Indra Nooyi, NBA
    Commissioner Adam Silver, Nike CEO Mark Parker, McDonald’s
    CEO Donald Thompson, Diageo Liquor’s CEO Ivan Menezes, and
    even Anheuser Busch’s CEO Thomas Santel, standing before
    national media and calling for an end to injustices against Black
    people? Nothing personal against these companies; it’s just as they
    say in war, “collateral damage.” But the damage would stop when
    the folks who run this country speak out....

    http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/Perspectives_1/article_101743.shtml
     
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    To the viewing audience:

    Is voting enough?
    If not, what are some ideas
    that could politically work in
    our advantage beyond just voting?
     
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    No, voting isn't enough. As Claude Anderson pointed out, the Asians have more clout in the U.S. than we have, however you can barely name one full blooded Asian politician. But we as Blacks have all these politicians compared to 30 years ago, including a Black president. However we still come last.

    We're going to have to do like the Asians and other groups that come here do and combine our resources and get an economic base, and stop depending on white people. Than we can buy some of these politicians like everybody else do.
     
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    I agree, especially with the building of
    the economic base. How do with drill
    that message into the black collective?

    How do we get that message across
    in the mainstream? Meaningful and
    substantive dialogue, that is.
     
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    Right now, I'm not sure if this can go mainstream with the selling-out, plus the main fact that many wound up dying mysteriously like Dr. Amos Wilson, Steve Cokely and so many others. But on the other hand, like Elijah Muhammad predicted, things will get so bad for Blacks in America that we will have no choice but come together. That day may be coming upon us real soon.

    So how do we drill that message. I say join people like Claude Anderson, Umar Johnson, etc..., and support them financially and on the streets, meanwhile try to bring them together.
     
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    I was listing to a talk show online. A brotha name darren muhammad
    from baltimore, was talking about how the chinese (or maybe the koreans),
    don't protest or aren't in any marches. They just show up at city hall with
    a briefcase full of money and pay politicians for what they want.

    Jamesfrmphilly
    Kemestry,

    If either of you are reading this:
    How do the black collective compete with
    that? How could voting alone offset those
    who make donations to the politicians?

    And anyone else whom I did not name, by all
    means field that question. I am interested in
    your input.
     
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    Twenty years of hell in shacks
    November 30, 2014

    Twenty years of local democracy in South Africa has been very cruel for Abahlali baseMjondolo and for millions of other poor people. It has been 20 years of hell in shacks. It has been 20 years of living like pigs in the mud. It has been 20 years of living with rats, floods, fire and rotting rubbish.

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    The cruelty and reality of South Africa’s 20-year democracy

    It has also been 20 years of evictions and forced removals to transit camps and other human dumping grounds. For those of us who have stood up for our humanity, our reward has been lies, assault, torture, wrongful arrest, the destruction of our homes and even assassination.

    Democracy is described in various positive ways by experts and politicians in South Africa. But to millions of shack dwellers, the homeless and the landless, those who were made poor by colonialism and apartheid and remain poor today, democracy is just another form of oppressing people. Democracy has come to mean 20 years of shack life. It has come to mean that the poor must be loyal to poverty and obey the rules of individual councilors and their political parties.

    Democracy has meant that we should not question the authority of the councilors and their political parties. It has meant that we should not organize outside of state control. Democracy has come to mean that even if councilors are elected councilors and not imposed on people, they must be accountable to powerful individuals in the party and not to the people who have elected them.

    To millions of shack dwellers, the homeless and the landless, those who were made poor by colonialism and apartheid and remain poor today, democracy is just another form of oppressing people. Democracy has come to mean 20 years of shack life.

    Oh yes, democracy has come to mean we could be easily evicted anytime and anywhere without any court order. It means that we can just be beaten, arrested, tortured, even in police custody, and that we can be murdered in cold blood by the police or party thugs without anyone being brought to book.

    Democracy has meant that councilors in places like in KwaNdengezi and Cato Crest in Durban are free to act like gangsters with guns and use intimidation rather than be the servants of the people who voted for them.

    Democracy has been reduced to what Dr. Firoze Manji, who has just visited Abahlali (dwellers), calls “ballot box democracy.” Dr. Manji continued to remind us that in fact we are not the poor but we are people who have been impoverished. So we have been made poor by the very same system that pretends to want to improve our lives, while in reality it makes our lives worse so that the rich and the politicians can live far better at our expense.


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    http://sfbayview.com/2014/11/twenty-years-of-hell-in-shacks


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    Abahlali baseMjondolo
    http://abahlali.org/
     
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    the enemy speaks





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    What did the enemy say?
     
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