Black People : Why Reparations will always be Denied!

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  1. Pharaoh Jahil

    Pharaoh Jahil Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    (Edited Excerpt from: "The Truth About Reparations" from The Book Of Fire "The Biography Of Noble Drew Ali / The Exhuming Of A Nation, Thru Dr. Elihu N. Pleasant-Bey)

    First, it must be stated: Yes. This author is in favor of Reparations, in the form of both land and monies, to be paid by the United States to the Survivors of Slaves and Ex-Slaves. But I must also say: Reparations will never be given to African Americans in their present status. Only about one in every fifty thousand well-trained (mis-educated)‘Black Americans’ knows since 1868 the 14th Amendment has declared Reparations to "All persons subject to its jurisdiction" as unconstitutional. This means especially those United States’ Ex-Slaves and their descendants. Do not be deceived by the hundreds of individuals and groups riding the new 21st Century wave of "REPARATIONS NOW"! Albeit all Reparations Now Movements are being showcased by prominent Black U. S. Law Professionals, magnanimous legal firms, Political Leaders and Civil Rights Activists, followed by flocks of sincere individuals and groups, demanding compensations owed for centuries of unpaid slave labor. Whether innocent or ignorant, they are now pursing realms reserved for all free National Beings. In their pursuit of Reparations, today’s African Americans are attempting to wade into the very depth of international waters while dry-docked by the de facto Slave Labels of Negro, Blacks and Colored (NBC). With all due respect, these celebrities are being dangled in front of the masses of NBC like a ripened carrot in front of the donkey.

    It does not take much memory to recall there are masterful reasons why slaves have never been allowed to have leaders at any time in the histories of slavery. Slavery in the United States has been no different. Except! Occasionally, the Makers of Negroes will systematically reward "bells" (degrees of authorization) to the conformed blind. Habitually the Black hordes believe these experienced leaders are safe to follow. Meanwhile the head of the donkey is so focused on ‘The American Dream’, it can’t tell the masses that it’s *** is hauling a Denationalized Cargo of 40’s Colored, 50’s Negro, 60’s Black, 70’s Afro, 80’s Afram and 90’s African American. This load is far too heavy and just toooo many names for one people to be!!! If NBC Reparations were remotely possible … who would be the lone recipient? Negroes? Colored? Blacks? Who? Traditionally, these movements have always lead the carriers of these slave labels from one slot in the political egg crate to another slot. And as long as this continues, the old 14th Amendment (Sections 1 and 4) will rule supreme. Blacks have been declared a Gross National Product (3/5 Clause) since the inception of the United States. Today, averaging an estimated $800,000,000,000.00 (Eight Hundred Billion) dollars annually, yet not owning one national thing of their own, sums to a grand total of "Blacks are (still) perpetually Big Business In America." In essence, accepted or not, the NBC being Congressional Property, as ratified in the Reconstruction Amendments, are themselves Reparations (property).

    All so-called African Americans are made and mass produced exclusively in the United States (Read: The Negro And The Sardine). In this "Information Age" the NBC no longer suffer from a lack of ignorance but to a lack of revealed truth. The cries for "Reparations" are not new. In fact, they are as old as the Institutions of Slavery. The problem with the unheard Negro cry is not due to false ancestral pain or unmerited Maafa or cases of unrecorded genocide. These things were actually suffered during 86-years of Constitutional Slavery and the additional 136-years of 14th Amendment Assumed-Jurisdictional Slavery. Their cries are so legitimate that if all 500-years of atrocities to African Nationals were heard at once and compared to the Jewish Holocaust, the latter would sound like a baby’s burp. Worst yet, their cries go unheard because they have little-to-no knowledge about the family of Nations where the true politics of Reparations are played. If so-called Blacks would just remember, Europeans who designed the Negro did so intentionally for their slaves to never become a nation. All lawyers are agents of the court and, unlike Judges; they cannot practice law from the bench. It was through the European judicial system and new Bar Associations, which lawfully sustained the status of the NBC. Now, where in history has the master taught the slave to be greater than him self? The very labels "NBC" means: those ‘denationalized’, persons without nationalities.

    To read more go here:

    http://www.sevensealspublications.com/586982.html
     
  2. Ralfa'il

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    Perhaps part of the solution is for so many of us to stop looking at ourselves as "outsiders" in our own nation.

    God created the land called America that this government sits upon, not white men or Indians. So technically...we have just as much claim to it, and as much right to set up our own government and/or demand justice as anyone else.


    In practical terms, it's time we start asserting our power as AfroAmericans inside this society and government and start taking charge and making decisions that effect the nation.

    White men weren't "given" anything...they TOOK IT.

    A good portion of the legislative branch are black and there are thousands of blacks in the military and law enforcement...so what's keeping us so vulnerable that we have to look up at the "government" (the we are apart of) with our knees knocking together expecting for the proverbial white man to give us reparations and throw a fit when he doesn't?

    The mayors and congressmen and other negro politicians....if they had any sense...should just push the rules and take the initiative to grant our people what we deserve and let the chips fall where they may.


    WE are the United States (part of it atleast)....so if we just choose not to assert our power then we deserve to be slaves; atleast it would keep our idle/clueless minds occupied.
     
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    Thanks for sharing this info. :hot:
     
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    Interesting perspective Ralfa'il, thank you for sharing....
     
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    Here some more "Important info Regarding Reparations" from the article...

    I think our answer to why our case for Reparations has been rejected over and over...is right here....
     
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    .......Pharaoh Jahil,

    For the archival record, herewith the Fourteenth Amendment and its articles:

    Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868. Note History

    1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

    3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

    4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

    5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

    http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am14



    Nowhere does section 4 preclude the filing of a Reparations lawsuit against the Government, on behalf of descendants of slaves. The section pointed to by the article submitted, specifically this;

    But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

    is presented in clear misinterpretation. What is suggested here in section 4 is that any claim "for the loss or emancipation of any slave" from the owners of slaves, if you will, the South, by and large that lost the war, shall be illegal and void.

    Furthermore, there is this:

    Precedent
    The signing of the Civil Liberties Act of 1988 by President Ronald Regan set a precedent for African-Americans to file a claim for reparations. By definition, a precedent is a court decision that furnishes an example or authority of deciding subsequent cases involving identical or similar facts. The Civil Liberties Act is now a federal law, which granted reparations to Japanese-Americans who had been interned by the United States government during World War II. The legislation: "*Acknowledged the injustice of the evacuation, relocation, and internment of United States citizens and permanent resident aliens of Japanese ancestry during World War II. *Offered an apology to Japanese-Americans on behalf of the people of the United States. *Provided for a public education fund to finance efforts to inform the public about...internment..so as to prevent a recurrence of any similar event. *Authorized a redress payment of $20,000 to qualified Japanese-Americans who were relocated and interned by the government of the United States" (americanhistory.si.edu).

    http://www.associatedcontent.com/ar...ns_of_reparations_for_slavery_pg3.html?cat=17


     
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    1 A Black president said hell emphaticly no, before he was elected and after:qqb001:

    2 Washington claims they are broke:qqb004:

    3 They just cut 60 billion dollars in government real programs that will directly harm the Black community and there are more cuts coming,
    in fac the president stated that any reperations for black folks should be, qual rights in jobs and education, now with a GOP in the house, and Blue Dawg Democrats in the senate, that is nothing but a pipe dream.:10400:

    4 In the spiritual laws of money;:hearthis:

    A people will get if a people already have collectively shown,
    an ablity to utilze money wisely

    with 1 trillion dollars spent last year, what have we proven to do at all collectively?
     
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    .......While there may be multiple ways in which to file Reparations, Restitution for wrongs done, etc...Nationality under the Uniform Crime Victims Reparation Act, is certainly viable. Nevertheless, we were a nation removed and harmed, deserving redress.

     
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    when the Chinese see us colectively using our trillion dollars wisely

    they will aprove the loan for the US to give us reperations

    otherwise

    why expect anything form a broke hind part government, that needs to wage wars on weak nations, to make money?:SuN020:
     
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    .......Excellent contribution to the conversation of Reparations, Ralfa'il.
     
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