Pan-Africanism : Why It Isn't Possible For Black Americans To Appropriate African Culture

[frankster]

I'm waiting on your replies and I'm guessing other posters on this thread are too brother frankster

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Please repeat the entire question.

 

[frankster]

History Liberia is an example of what can go wrong when we (blacks) know we are Africans but Continental Africans know we are Not of them....we became an INTERLOPER. That is a very very different issue in that in Liberia and Sierra Leone the very very lost and confused Coloureds, Negros Blacks who had fought for the British in the American War of Independence were sent back to Africa [along with various white undesirables /prostitutes from their jails and mental institutions] as they had survived the war but weren’t wanted in the UK, where they subsequently set themselves up as the ruling elite of these countries, repress the native Africans into the underclass in a virtually identical manner to whites; thus isn’t “INTERLOPER” too gentle a word for these so consistently treacherous BLACK NEGROBOTS? The difference depends on whether we are accepted by the locals and we accept the locals. And that we allow them to lead by starting where they are...

If "blacks" return to Africa in mass with wealth and technology and refuse to accept their custom. Which will appear to many "blacks" as primitive and backward...and some are. We will engender much animosity. Frank are you going to answer the question underlined above as isn’t there a profound difference between how we should behave as we attempt to kick start the African Renaissance in the 21st century and the ongoing maliciously manipulative malice being displayed by the overly inbred [due to their disdain of mixing with the indigenous] Creole dominated elites of Liberia and Sierra Leone towards indigenous Africans for over 200 years now? Yes.....and I said as much. We must started by respecting the customs of the locals.....even when we intend to change them. Aren’t you being somewhat naive, or are you genuinely unaware of the fact that regardless of whether they legally utilize corporal punishment or not the European collective ALWAYS execute TRAITORS, whereas aren’t we going to have to get really creative in order to stop these so consistently elitist NEGROBOTS from selling us out again, without executing them? I do not believe we were sold out in Liberia, by anyone. To me it was a matter of not being properly prepared. How many people from Sierra Leone and Liberia do you KNOW personally, especially the Creole elites, as highlighted by one who told me that his father [very prominent in both the community and country] would prefer his wife to be white rather than an indigenous African as opposed to Creole woman [that he didn’t dare marry as generations of inbreeding was already producing congenital defects]?

No one.

To fulfill our main responsibility is to first know who we are?..by securing and developing our our communities - where we are and to advance forward and upward from thence. The role we are to play? What do we bring to the table.

We have skills, the technical proficiency in every area of human activity that Africa NEEDS that are very rarely wanted or adequately rewarded in the West anyway, thus isn’t it obvious that we should focus on making the African Renaissance REAL in the 21st century?

I agree...Continentals will not want us telling them how when and what to do...They do not want bosses they want partners. Whites do not want us over there either and will run counter productive programs to undermine what ever we do.

Which differs from the GRIEF they give us as standard in the UK, USA and the rest of the West how exactly? It does not..... The thing is that most returning blacks tend to expect a welcoming from the locals which is often not the case Have you EVER been to Africa, they are in the main very very welcoming [apart from the more obvious SELLOUTS/ TRAITORS] of anyone who they perceive to be focused on their upliftment? No.....I have never been to Africa but have known many Africans and have friends who have lived in Africa. AND?

What practical skills/expertise that you fear they will reject, do you have to offer Africa/Africans in any case?

Not necessarily any particular skill or expertise, but what they imply. In that we very likely will change their society and culture as it stands. People often do not approve or like change especial when it may make them less relevant, integral, necessary or important.

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hy are WE the only ethnic group on the planet using a colour [black as opposed to our original source, the African continent] to label our activities in every area of human activity as opposed to getting rid of one of the more obvious chains put in place over the last 500 years [as underlined by their being more than twice the number of USA citizens who label themselves as Irish and Swedish Americans, than the current population of Ireland or Sweden] whereas shouldn’t we be consciously embracing our African ethnicity? Language is fluid, meaning words can and do change meaning due to context and usage......Khemit means black and it was also the name of a nation state country land and its people. The label Black is part of a dichotomy of Post slavery Western society. AND?

Though DNA tests can find out exactly which African clan we’re from, why bother as doesn’t not knowing allow us to more pragmatically focus on the BIG PICTURE as opposed to being drawn back into the literally hundreds of ethnic groups/divisions which made European divide and rule so much easier to facilitate at the start of the ongoing African HOLOCAUST?

What about my question/the manner in which in the USA the Italians, French, Greeks openly cherish their ethnic/national roots with the WASP’S especially those of English heritage truly believing it is their God given right to run both the USA and this planet in every area of human activity? Which African Nationality would you claim?...you cant. Because Most Africans Nations have only just become Nations What Tribe or ethnicity would you choose? do you know the language culture and customs? I have already explained why as opposed to being a problem isn’t not knowing the specifics as to our African heritage actually an opportunity to develop in a rationally pragmatic manner [underlined in bold above]? Why are you running away from this question?

I Agree...It Can be....But if you insist on calling yourself African......It beggars the question where are from in Africa? Whereas the Africans from Africa are what exactly or haven’t you noted/experienced the acceptance being consciously African generates as highlighted by the safety in which I could walk into the roughest areas of NYC as my appearance labelled me as African American, whereas deploying my best English accent at top bars and nightclubs eased my straight past the hassle ordinary as opposed rich homeboys would experience getting in?

Even in Cuba generally, Havana specifically there was an assumption that I was African Cuban, they were very very surprised that I couldn’t speak Spanish fluently due to actually being an English speaking UK national.

Once you say "Black" they immediately know you are a diasporian African. Possibly, but isn’t the real issue here who/what YOU KNOW yourself to be/as isn’t being consciously African the obvious starting point of our so very challenging journey out of the totally lost completely baffled and confused Coloured, Black Negrobot zone? Yes.....Consciously knowing yourself to be African is necessity in the struggle Also knowing yourself to be black is also knowing that you are African. So why use Black when you mean African, how “Black” is Halle or Barack? Halle is Very black. Obama is more African than Black In your opinion [based on what God only knows], whereas don’t you know that just based on their physical appearance Halle and Barack would both be classified as Tootsies?

If by tootsies you mean mix breed.....yes.
That is part of the black experience.....black women being rape by white men and having to raise those kids as black.

Similarly Consciously knowing yourself to being Zulu does not make you less African than consciously knowing yourself to being Hutu

The Zulus are Hutu/Bantu as [is the African man I see in the mirror] are most of the indigenous clans of west and Sub Saharan Africa, whereas don’t you know that the Tootsies are the mixed race lighter skin coloured Coloureds, Negros, Blacks who have either Semitic or European individuals in their bloodline, even if they are currently jet black skinned they perceive themselves to be white [a totally bizarre regional inversion of the one drop rule], with many of them totally traumatized here in the UK by the manner in which they are just categorized as Blacks, just like the rest of us?

Ethiopia* and Ghana has granted us the legal Right of Return.....not sure of any other It is their right......As it is ours. If they do.....we should challenge. What exactly? look it up Look what up, you’re just getting very very confused now aren’t, you?

Are you aware of the fact that in every census to date of our community in the USA with regard to how we would like to label ourselves, African has beaten Coloured, Negro and Black by a considerable margin as a rationalization of the fact that we cannot be as specific as the English, Irish, Swedish, Italians, Greeks and Germans etc with regard to which part of our original home [the African continent we originate from], we’re from? Yes....we are African descent But African is not a National designation but a Racial/Ethnic/Continental one. Don’t the USA citizens who KNOW that their ancestors were English, Irish, Scotish, Swedish etc wear their ethnic heritage like a badge of honour, TODAY, why don’t they just label themselves as Whites in a similarly confused manner to some of us being so devoted to being Blacks; as opposed to consciously embracing our African ethnicity? Maybe I am missing your point here.....We are Africans Calling, genuinely believing ourselves to be Blacks whereas where is the rocket science in the way as opposed to merely labelling themselves as “Whites” there are more than twice as many USA citizens claiming Irish and Swedish ethnicity than the current population of Ireland or Sweden, with African very very obvious being a rational acknowledgement of the very efficient manner in which Slavery robbed us of our name, language, religion and culture, in effect our minds?

Or I am reading too much into your question because it is a repetition Where exactly, is that why you haven’t addressed or answered either question [above]? Forgive me still do not understand this question..Be honest Frank, isn't all of the so creative editing of your responses about the fact that you just don't WANT TO overstand, do you? No......It is confusing but I am getting the hang of it So why do YOU always have to take the time to delete the context of your response [which is standard internet troll/battering ram behaviour]? Not use to your sort of banter, but its growing on me Isn’t my "banter"/responses similar to the boxing ring in that isn’t this an arena in which one can run, but you cant hide [anyone functionally literate can for themselves evaluate who is doing what]?

No.....just too much words to go through to find your latest responds

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hat REAL use are the majority of “Black Studies/Black History/Black Culture courses if the people constructing them are genuinely unaware of the fact that language is the operating system of the human brain/CPU in a similar manner to Windows XP, Vista, 7 and 8 are for computers; which is why doesn’t one have to be consciously selective with regard to how it is used to disseminate uplifting TRUTHS/ KNOWLEDGE, as opposed to negativity to all of our people?Most African Descent peoples in the West do not know an African language. Instead the know the language of their oppressor but speak a dialect that is a mixture of the oppressor and their original African tongue. Which surely emphasizes exactly why WE need to at least go into damage limitation mode as highlighted by consciously acknowledging that we’re not Coloureds, Negroes, Blacks, we are AFRICANS?

I do not think the black intelligentsia is disputing the fact that we are Africans or more precisely of African Descent. You think That if we were called Africans it would increase our enlightenment? What Happen to those of us who are half breeds? Within the USA’s context have you forgotten the one drop of African blood rule [as highlighted by the ongoing grief in the USA with regard to mass incarceration along with being murdered by the police is Jim Crow really dead]?

I know well the one drop rule.....and if we are not going to let them label us then why would we let them define us? Are we going to let them become our teachers in matters of morality and become exclusive/exclusionary. Can't we choose when we want to embrace their definitions and when we don't as highlighted by utility of their one drop rule to attach all of the mixed race including even the Semites who want join, to the African collective?

For example being Africanlisted, being Africanballed out of a clique, losing all power for whatever reason isn’t an Africanout, nor does anyone state that they’re not wearing a piece of clothing because it is African with dirt, it isn’t standard practice to lament when things have gone horribly wrong that it is a really African Day and no one has ever been jailed because there has been conclusive proof that they are an Africanmailer, whereas doesn’t substituting word BLACK into all of these contexts place one on a sliding scale of very very inconvenient GRIEF? It does to the extent that you do not control the context and usage of the words and their meaning....Language is a living thing. Being in the Black or becoming a black belt are positive connotations Black can also denote Formal, Powerful, Mysterious (as in Khemistry) Authority, Classy....all things come out of the Black. Undeniably but within the current status quo of White Supremacist Racism worldwide, isn’t an integral part of the ongoing African HOLOCAUST the very systematic classification of people of African ethnicity as Blacks/Objects as opposed to Ashantis, Yorubas, Xhosians etc, human beings? Yes.....But many will see it as asinine due to their own lack of understanding its import.

Instead we want to create Functional Unity and not let Dialectics become a stumbling block at this junction. In Functional Unity you do not Have to agree on anything but the goal....Once achieve you then come back to the table. Which means what, where is the UNITY in the manner in which the USA’s Republicans and Democrats constantly bicker, are even prepared to damage the country for their own political status/points, so why aren’t the USA’s movers and shakers waiting for all of the consistently CLUELESS and the rest of the white trash to catch up, join the party? The Unity will be found when you see who is backing both parties and toward what end. The bickering is a side show to keep you distracted from what is actually happening....which is they both represent the same people - not you or me. True, but isn’t every man/woman for themselves along with devil take the hindmost really what the American NIGHTMARE as opposed to Dream is about, with the lower echelons generally, especially non-whites and people of African ethnicity totally expendable sub human morons to be controlled or even culled as the LUCIFERIAN LUNATICS inc see fit? Yes.....we are all expendable to varying degrees regardless of color to the ruling elite Why are you attempting to universalize as the human condition consistently maliciously EVIL behaviour, despite the manner in which China, India and most of Asia either have already or are aspiring to imitate the manner in which China has transformed the burden of having nearly a billion peasants to feed into the cutting edge of providing both high and low tech goods and services cheaper than anyone else, as opposed to simply culling them?

It is not too late, is it, Frank for individuals like you/the African collective with regard to being far more carefully selective with regard to the language we utilize to describe ourselves with ALL of our programmes going out as African Studies/Histo ry/Culture Lecture Series with regard to the African experience from an African perspective, thus at least starting out on the right foot as opposed to continuing to inject very easily avoidable negativity/rubbish as standard, into the minds of the people we’re aspiring to uplift? We must also be careful not to overwhelm....in other words choose your battles Which means what, or haven’t you noted that this planet is only SIMPLE to SIMPLETONS/VICTIMS IN WAITING?

You do not feed a babe strong meat or cast pearls before swine lest they trample it under feet......meaning there is a season for everything.....somethings are appropriate at certain times. You must meet the people where they are and provide them with what they are ready for.....or you run the risk of seeming the fool, and being cast into irrelevancy. Maybe, maybe not, we don’t need everyone to be awake to get the job done, especially as doesn’t being successful tend to create clones [which is why the GAP community of Tulsa was destroyed and is still so consistently marginalized by the status quo due to STILL being such a DO ABLE template]? Yes Why are WE constantly attempting to re-invent the wheel as supposed to simply utilizing this template which is in fact standard procedure among the Semites and Asians especially the Indians and Chinese?

I am not just being pedantic, this is very important as underlined by the glitzy looking Black Cultural Archive opened in Brixton/South London [June 2014] not being the African Cultural Archive [THEY must just be laughing at us when even our alleged intelligentsia/elite/luminaries are genuinely STILL so naive/totally baffled and obviously confused].If it is about Africans of the diaspora....then it is okay to refer to it as Black The Archives cover our history from 5000 years ago to now, both in Africa and the Diaspora, which is where your rationale/attempt to marginalize the significance/clarity of all peoples of African ethnicity viewing themselves as Africans [start trekking out of the totally lost and confused NEGROBOT zone] with regard to regaining our psychic equilibrium post the ongoing African HOLOCAUST of over 500 years duration, crashes and burns, doesn’t it?

Then Yes it should right be called African.....but then uneducated locals who considered themselves blacks would not come and support, mistakenly believing it is strictly about uncivil blacks living on the continents in mud huts. Having label it blacks they may more likely turn up and in so doing learn of their grand and great African history and heritage. Frank aren’t these labels generally, Black specifically just a litmus test of our conscious awareness as our so consistently maliciously EVIL enemies are very very wary of the African collective regaining our psychic equilibrium [THEY KNOW WHO WE ARE], snapping out of the totally crippled state created by the ongoing African HOLOCAUST? In some ways....YES Would YOU constantly chase after and hound, constantly beat up on a mentally defective cripple, in that if we are allegedly so useless/clueless why don't THEY ever leave us alone as opposed to so constantly tripping us up, executing our more rationally focused leaders as standard as they KNOW that our comeback could make the Terminator's look like a tea party? They know perfectly well, of that which we are capable......hence the reason the constantly try to stymie us. Wouldn’t you be very embarrassed at being such an integral part of easily the most despicably malignant CANCER/PLAGUE to EVER afflict the human family, or is it the paradox of LUNATICS truly not realizing that they’re completely INSANE? I am not a part of it willingly. I didn’t accuse you, did I [or are you an integral part of the current POWER ELITE/ LUCIFERIAN LUNATICS inc], isn’t my question with regard to how alleged fellow human beings can be so consistently maliciously EVIL towards the rest of the human family?

If you live in the West and use its services, goods and currency......then you are benefiting from it and hence a part of it

BTW Frank/excellent post, you addressed most assertions and answered questions far better than anyone else on this message board/most people just bail out/run away/screaming! ROFL

Isn’t ANYONE who genuinely believes they are not programmed
graphically illustrating that their programming is COMPLETE?​

Selah

 

[Orisons]

Isn't the functional intelligentsia of any ethnicity responsible for deducing the strategic policies for moving the group forward collectively [whereas why are so many of us expecting our underclass/lower echelons to be the first on the planet to do so] thus what do you think is the easiest way to get this so very DO-ABLE agenda to manifest in our communities and countries in the 21st century?

[QUOTE="Clyde C Coger Jr, post: 931276, member: 12718"...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't those the same questions previously posted and answered? /QUOTE] With a very very economical for a WRITER [who so very enigmatically HATES constructing sentences in discussions/ debates; yes, whereas did you miss or are you just doing your usual ignore with regard to my question [underlined above] about what you think might actually improve things?

[QUOTE="Clyde C Coger Jr, post: 931319, member: 12718" Thanks for asking, we do have a plan:

Work:


Website: http://bamn.destee.com/

.../QUOTE] Clyde isn't it somewhat naive expecting anything more than poisonous manipulation from Biblical Scripture in our most consistently focused ENEMY'S language from the ethnic group culture STILL warring on the rest of Humanity [the real cutting edge of my tag or can you be specific as to which of the 50 different English translations of the Bible are the Creator's words as opposed to very very socio-economic/cultural control mechanisms], whereas does your book focus on DO/ABLE successful templates as exemplified the GAP community of Tulsa circa 1920, and Thomas Sakarna and Muammar Gaddafi national templates, as opposed to our usual focus on re-inventing the wheel? What about this question, Clyde?

[QUOTE="Clyde C Coger Jr, post: 931329, member: 12718" Yes, our book focuses on "DO/ABLE successful templates."

It will not cost you one thin dime to click and review the links provided.

.../QUOTE] Apart from projecting and promoting Destee.com your very very interesting links though very informative don't seem particularly African centered Clyde; individual wealth creation doesn't guarantee or even aspire to as opposed to facilitate our collective advancement, does it; when we're still allowing our knowledge base to be poisoned with dated Euro-centric GARBAGE by the status quo's formal mis-education structures/schools and colleges?

[QUOTE="Clyde C Coger Jr, post: 932011, member: 12718"

Rather than to wrongly speculate the thesis, why not somehow acquire a copy and execute a fair review? Otherwise, just scanning the links is only cursory at best, Orisons.
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.../QUOTE] Aren't I just following your example Clyde as highlighted by the consistently stunted manner in which you address my assertions/answer my questions as standard [even in this post above]?

[QUOTE="Clyde C Coger Jr, post: 932596, member: 12718"...
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No, not at all Orisons. /QUOTE] Where did you hone your so very very consistent evasion skills then Clyde [as is standard with all the so diverse array of TROLLS/BATTERING RAMS who so consistently infest internet message boards and even social media like Facebook] or are you just naturally talented?

[QUOTE="Clyde C Coger Jr, post: 932599, member: 12718" ...

Is that the best you've got Orisons? /QUOTE] Why not throw us all off balance by actually addressing assertions/answering question in the so very direct manner possible with this medium/what is all this RUNNING/HIDING, consistently creative editing about, Clyde?

Isn’t ANYONE who genuinely believes they are not programmed
graphically illustrating that their programming is COMPLETE?
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[Clyde C Coger Jr]

... Why not throw us all off balance by actually addressing assertions/answering question in the so very direct manner possible with this medium/what is all this RUNNING/HIDING, consistently creative editing about, Clyde?

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Again, twice now, you've asked an excellent compounded question, its about this, which throws you off balance Orisons, isn't it?





Website: http://bamn.destee.com/




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[Enki]

Not to be disrespectful, but who cares what anyone thinks about what I choose to wear. I use to wear dashikis back in the day and turbans. I stil do occasionally.
I was given a beautiful dashiki recently by a girlfriend from Gahna. In exchange I gave her a lace suite she liked from my closet. I really loved that suite. She couldn't get one from her homeland. I parted with it because she is my friend.
I wear dashikis around the house as lounge wear. I wear turbans any where.

Am I misunderstanding the article.

I agree. I don't care what they say or think. I and my family strut our Africaness proudly.

Peace!