Black People : Why It’s Time for America to Get Real About Reparations for Black Folks

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  1. Clyde C Coger Jr

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    In the Spirit of Sankofa,



    Why It’s Time for America to Get Real About Reparations for Black Folks

    Just like religion and politics, reparations is one of those divisive topics most Americans steer clear of in public. The mention of the word conjures up a myriad of issues—slavery, racism, discrimination, the source of the money—that, in our “post-racial” Obama era, we like to believe belong firmly in our nation’s troubled past.

    But while we grapple with the growing unrest surrounding income inequality and what that means for the waning middle class (read white male blue-collar workers), with “The Case for Reparations,” a provocatively titled cover story for The Atlantic, Ta-nehisi Coates moves far beyond the traditional notions of calling for a financial payout for blacks. Instead, Coates illustrates that through systematic violence and discriminatory government policies and laws—not just racist ideas held by bigoted citizens—black Americans have been and continue to be handicapped.



    http://news.yahoo.com/why-time-america-real-reparations-black-folks-193907302.html




     
  2. Keita Kenyatta

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    This is where REAL BLACK PEOPLE and FAKE @SS BLACK PEOPLE HAVE A PARTING OF THE WAYS. Real Black people won't make the comment that Ta-nehisi made right here; Perhaps it’s the same with America and black folks. If we are ever to become the “more perfect union” of our Constitution, we must reconcile what we have done and continue to do to African Americans.

    Real Black people ain't claiming no part of this Constitution and understand that it was flawed from the start, just like they ain't claiming that Bible. In other words, ain't no fakin the funk.

    Them fake @ss Black people really be on that "American" B.S. and Constitution ish as if they had something to do with that...just like they be supporting a book known as the Bible that they don't follow...fakin tha funk.
     
  3. Clyde C Coger Jr

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    Brother, help me understand how you can pull a punch like this, on the one hand, you are for Reparations:

    I've always been about reparations, I just think we are much closer doing for ourselves than begging someone else for what they won't give. Secondly, I would never throw the baby out with the bathwater...so the issue isn't getting rid of the bible at all. The issue is in separating the tares from the wheat!! The tares got us all caught up into false history, false concepts and false realities of life and self...we need more wheat in our mental and spiritual diet, and we can't get that as long as we have a book reinforcing the tares in it instead of the wheat!!
    Keita Kenyatta, Mar 18, 2014


    But now and below, well, your words say it all, how do you reconcile yourself? Ta-Nehisi is pushing for Reparations in the statement:

    Perhaps it’s the same with America and black folks. If we are ever to become the “more perfect union” of our Constitution, we must reconcile what we have done and continue to do to African Americans.



    He's simply saying to white America ... If this is the perfect union of the Constitution, then it must be reconcile, what has been done to African Americans, and continues to be done against African Americans.

    Reparations will come because of the Constitution, if you understand this, brother Keita.

    Also above, you say this:

    "I would never throw the baby out with the bathwater...so the issue isn't getting rid of the bible at all"


    How does it square bro. Keita, you can't have it both ways, either you are for not throwing away the Bible, or, you are for not claiming it ... Please explain what you are for?

    Finally, if you are for Reparations, as you say, then you are on the American bs and the Constitution ish.

    We are trying to get paid, I thought brother. We recognize and know America and the Constitution for its short comings, and know full well of her atrocities against us, but we also know that she owes us, real money and real opportunities, do you know this?


     
  4. Keita Kenyatta

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    What is this stuff and who is the "WE" that they are talking about....cause judging by the name that don't sound like no YT person...and when did it ever become OUR CONSTITUTION??

    If we are ever to become the “more perfect union” of our Constitution, we must reconcile what we have done and continue to do to African Americans.
     
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    For Clyde and Keita....
    Somehow I have been privileged to exchange thoughts with each of you elsewhere, mostly the religion and spiritual discussions.
    And this -- on the matter of reparations -- would seem the last place a white guy would want to be. On Alternet I only was able to read portions of comments by Ta-Nihisi Coates, from his Atlantic article.
    In some small way I see each of your points. Keita, I almost empathize with you on the near uselessness of the Constitution and how American history has treated black people. That the white community has used, or rather totally ignored the ideals of equality in the ruthless human indignities and suffering imposed through a history of lip-service to those "ideals" being uttered rather emptily.
    Yet I think what you are saying, Clyde, is that the Constitution and those ideals expressed as a democratic society is what we have to work with. Not just "all we have," but make "what we have" work! By challenging white America, and Americans of all colors to live up to spirit of the words so long ignored. And that means the white community must gather itself and face the truth of its sordid and ugly past, as it also has with Native Americans.
    I can imagine from what you both are saying, that contained within the disagreements you have expressed, the black community needs to be engaging in a great dialog to determine priorities for achieving reparations, whatever forms they could take -- and hopefully, at some point, engage those you wish from the white community who can be open, and absorb the very depth of this, and all related issues and become actively supportive.
    For **** sure, I have no definitive answers. But I have thought of possibilities.
    I have a lot of respect for both of you. And, yes, I would want to be involved if permitted to do so. With kind regards....
     
  6. Clyde C Coger Jr

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    On point summary of the two(2) positions of record, writer33. Having said that, any help you can offer toward Reparations for African Americans, whether on site and off site, would be greatly appreciated.

     
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    Thanks, Clyde, I appreciate your reply.
     
  8. Clyde C Coger Jr

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    Not a problem writer33, no, not at all ... yvw.



     
  9. Kadijah

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    Some of the people on this forum are the biggest hypocrites in existence! They say the bible is a lie, then, whenever they're at a loss for a source for something, an authority, they turn to that same lying (smh) bible for inspiration (e.g., 'an eye for an eye', 'even the bible says....'). :10400:

    HYPOCRITES OF THE WORLD.... HEAR ME WELL - you can't have it both ways (except to other hypocrites and b.s.ers). Either the bible is a lie, or it's not. If it's the former, you should NEVER use a quotation from said book for that only makes YOU as big a liar as your PREFERRED source.
     
  10. Clyde C Coger Jr

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    Couldn't agree more with your expressed sentiment, sounds very similar to what I've had to say, we touch and agree.

    But what's your position on Reparations?


     
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