Black Spirituality Religion : Why in the world did slaves believe in the christian god?

But how many of those slaves (if any) understood that or even had that part read to them?



You picked one thing to respond to out of all of those human sacrifices that you said weren't in the bible? You, like many other Christians, think they know what's in the bible but don't actually read it themselves. You have no business preaching something that you have no real knowledge of.


On another note i cannot resist but add me too cent!lol

The most significant pagan ritual performed in re ligion is the drinking of the blood of christ. How this practice get's over looked baffles me. Since most of us do not take the time to learn about our ancestors practices they do not understand the importance of blood in all things of re ligion. hetep
 
no one ever literally drinked the blood of Jesus.

the top government in charge was the Roman empire, a bunch of white people and Jesus was executed by a white supremacist system. he was willing to go up against his own people of whom shouted for white rule over having their own black system, and therefore, they had him delivered to this white system even though the white system had their officials there to prove that even under their crooked law, jesus was not guilty of what they accused him of doing. And because they wanted this white system to execute him anyway, about 30 year later when the system deprived them of human rights, they based their acts against them on the fact that they shouted for this system to be their head.

so this holy communion of drinking of wine symbolizes that Jesus was willing to go up under this system and give his own a chance to eventually see that if we continue to submit to white rule, we will always be suppressed by it. at that time no other man could be tried and found guiltless, but the Romans could not prove anything against him, this Black man.

yes, he shed his blood for us, and the act of symbolism showing this shedding of blood, innocent blood, that you claim is pagan is a deception. i understand though that it is difficult to understand, but long before Jesus was willing to prove this system, yes, there were Blacks doing this to others, killing them, and committing acts of cannibalism and etc...
 
Well, in spite of those African slaves who still tried to retain some vestiges of their indigenous spiritualities, I would say those who did embrace Christianity were ASSIMILATING (acculturation) into a new society.

Those same African slaves had a long history of ASSIMILATING into whatever society which had CONQUERED them and ENSLAVED them before, going back thousands of years even to ancient Kemet and Nubia (Kush).

Now, no, Kemetic and Nubian slavery was not the expansive brutality of the Atlantic Slave Trade; but abuses and "disciplines" as beatings and such towards their conquered/enslaved villages/kingdoms did occur. As they warred against each other, they killed men and children and plundered and raped their women, taking them as "wives" and "adopting" the children born of the rapes.

In American slavery, the children born of the rapes of African women followed "the condition of the slave mother."

But in Kemetic and Nubian slavery, the children born of the Kemetic and Nubian rapes did not always follow the condition of a "slave" but were given and treated to all the advantages of the ruling family: education and social advances, etc..

Some historians say that in Kemet, for a time, the conquered Nubians (Ku****es) were allowed to keep their religious beliefs. The Kemetian rulers even mixed/incorporated some of their gods with Nubians (Ku****e) gods.

But, over time, this changed and throughout history, every conquering society which enslaved another group of people also controlled their RELIGIOUS beliefs.

Whatever God or Goddesses the conquering society believed in was also taught to and projected onto their slaves, even in ancient Kemet,

...in other words, "YOUR world as you knew it is no more. You are HERE now and must adhere to the God that WE, your NEW MASTERS, believe in."


Moreover, being enslaved and divided into CASTE SYSTEMS was not new and alien conditions for the Africans of the Atlantic Slave Trade.

So, here was this White man telling them that they were BENEATH him and "deserving" of their enslaved and abused conditions even according to the holy text of the God they professed to believe in, a distortion of the Bible to fit their agendas....and, in time, the Bible also became a source of comfort to slaves, holding onto the faith that, one day, God would make "Pharaoh, let my People go."

Even today, in Africa, some Caste Systems still exist in some ATR beliefs.

...Even today, a mindset and system of one group's SUPERIORITY over others is still evident in some ATR beliefs with certain accompanying RESTRICTIONS on social life, marriages and economic control between the UPPER caste and the LOWER caste.

The novel, THINGS FALL APART, by Chinua Achebe, is one source from an indigenous African. This novel mentions the LOWER "Osu" in the Yoruba caste system and that religion's tradition of killing twin babies (cast away into the "Evil Forest to DIE).

Now, yes, present-day's so-called "definition" of and treatment of "Osu" in Africa is a distorted result of Christianity's introduction into Yorubaland and the slave trade....that this so-called "definition" was NOT the ORIGINAL venerated application of "Osu" in their religion but that Christianity and the slave trade helped "create" today's view of "Osu" as so-called tainted "Un-Touchables."

...So, present-day's "Osu" treatment is a result of what's called "Igbo Christianity."

But, again, there's that "ASSIMILATION" again. :10500:

However, one character in THINGS FALL APART, a Yoruba woman, had had 4 twins pregnancies and she eventually embraced the Christian church because they would not KILL her babies as the religion of the Yoruba dictated.

So, conversely, as Christianity was introduced into Yorubaland, it spoke AGAINST this IGBO religious tradition of killing twin babies; and, as a result, today, many Igbos do NOT practice this tradition any more.

...again, ASSIMILATION.

So, IMO, there are various emotional, psychological and historical reasons why a people would worship the God of the people who had invaded them/conquered them/killed their men/raped their women and enslaved them.


This ASSIMILATING behavior was not new to the Africans of the Atlantic Slave Trade. They had been ASSIMILATING into various aspects of another's culture and religion throughout every invasion since ancient Kemet and Nubia (Kush).

I might be wrong, but the practice of leaving twins (ibeji) in the bush to perish is no Longer in practice.

I've seen no evidence of a caste system in the Odu Ifa, explicit or otherwise.
 
Well, in spite of those African slaves who still tried to retain some vestiges of their indigenous spiritualities, I would say those who did embrace Christianity were ASSIMILATING (acculturation) into a new society.

Those same African slaves had a long history of ASSIMILATING into whatever society which had CONQUERED them and ENSLAVED them before, going back thousands of years even to ancient Kemet and Nubia (Kush).

Now, no, Kemetic and Nubian slavery was not the expansive brutality of the Atlantic Slave Trade; but abuses and "disciplines" as beatings and such towards their conquered/enslaved villages/kingdoms did occur. As they warred against each other, they killed men and children and plundered and raped their women, taking them as "wives" and "adopting" the children born of the rapes.

In American slavery, the children born of the rapes of African women followed "the condition of the slave mother."

But in Kemetic and Nubian slavery, the children born of the Kemetic and Nubian rapes did not always follow the condition of a "slave" but were given and treated to all the advantages of the ruling family: education and social advances, etc..

Some historians say that in Kemet, for a time, the conquered Nubians (Ku****es) were allowed to keep their religious beliefs. The Kemetian rulers even mixed/incorporated some of their gods with Nubians (Ku****e) gods.

But, over time, this changed and throughout history, every conquering society which enslaved another group of people also controlled their RELIGIOUS beliefs.

Whatever God or Goddesses the conquering society believed in was also taught to and projected onto their slaves, even in ancient Kemet,

...in other words, "YOUR world as you knew it is no more. You are HERE now and must adhere to the God that WE, your NEW MASTERS, believe in."


Moreover, being enslaved and divided into CASTE SYSTEMS was not new and alien conditions for the Africans of the Atlantic Slave Trade.

So, here was this White man telling them that they were BENEATH him and "deserving" of their enslaved and abused conditions even according to the holy text of the God they professed to believe in, a distortion of the Bible to fit their agendas....and, in time, the Bible also became a source of comfort to slaves, holding onto the faith that, one day, God would make "Pharaoh, let my People go."

Even today, in Africa, some Caste Systems still exist in some ATR beliefs.

...Even today, a mindset and system of one group's SUPERIORITY over others is still evident in some ATR beliefs with certain accompanying RESTRICTIONS on social life, marriages and economic control between the UPPER caste and the LOWER caste.

The novel, THINGS FALL APART, by Chinua Achebe, is one source from an indigenous African. This novel mentions the LOWER "Osu" in the Yoruba caste system and that religion's tradition of killing twin babies (cast away into the "Evil Forest to DIE).

Now, yes, present-day's so-called "definition" of and treatment of "Osu" in Africa is a distorted result of Christianity's introduction into Yorubaland and the slave trade....that this so-called "definition" was NOT the ORIGINAL venerated application of "Osu" in their religion but that Christianity and the slave trade helped "create" today's view of "Osu" as so-called tainted "Un-Touchables."

...So, present-day's "Osu" treatment is a result of what's called "Igbo Christianity."

But, again, there's that "ASSIMILATION" again. :10500:

However, one character in THINGS FALL APART, a Yoruba woman, had had 4 twins pregnancies and she eventually embraced the Christian church because they would not KILL her babies as the religion of the Yoruba dictated.

So, conversely, as Christianity was introduced into Yorubaland, it spoke AGAINST this IGBO religious tradition of killing twin babies; and, as a result, today, many Igbos do NOT practice this tradition any more.

...again, ASSIMILATION.

So, IMO, there are various emotional, psychological and historical reasons why a people would worship the God of the people who had invaded them/conquered them/killed their men/raped their women and enslaved them.


This ASSIMILATING behavior was not new to the Africans of the Atlantic Slave Trade. They had been ASSIMILATING into various aspects of another's culture and religion throughout every invasion since ancient Kemet and Nubia (Kush)
.

I'm in agreement with most of you wrote, although comparing african slavery between Nubians and Egyptians to transatlantic slavery is a bit iffy...i mean you left out a large part of the equation which is: both sect where at WAR with each other..but I'm not getting into that...

can you substantiate the highlighted portion with excerpts from the book things fall apart?..as far as i know, the Yorubas have always viewed a woman having twins as a sign of good fortune, and a good omen.. i can guarantee you that during the colonial period (which is when the book is supposed to based on) no Yoruba viewed twins as bad omen....

maybe you are confusing the Igbos with Yorubas

even wiki has it right- for once:

Ibeji

The Yoruba are a major African ethnic group; in their culture twins are traditionally very important beings. In the Yoruba language "ibeji" literally means "twins". Carved wooden figures made to house the soul of a dead twin are also called ibeji. These wooden figures, six to ten inches high and carved with the family mask, are often well tended. The Yoruba people believe that this care and tending helps ensure the survival of the other twin. In the Yoruba traditional religion, there is a deity that represents twins called Orisha Ibeji or Orisa Ibeji.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibeji
 
no one ever literally drinked the blood of Jesus.

the top government in charge was the Roman empire, a bunch of white people and Jesus was executed by a white supremacist system. he was willing to go up against his own people of whom shouted for white rule over having their own black system, and therefore, they had him delivered to this white system even though the white system had their officials there to prove that even under their crooked law, jesus was not guilty of what they accused him of doing. And because they wanted this white system to execute him anyway, about 30 year later when the system deprived them of human rights, they based their acts against them on the fact that they shouted for this system to be their head.

so this holy communion of drinking of wine symbolizes that Jesus was willing to go up under this system and give his own a chance to eventually see that if we continue to submit to white rule, we will always be suppressed by it. at that time no other man could be tried and found guiltless, but the Romans could not prove anything against him, this Black man.

yes, he shed his blood for us, and the act of symbolism showing this shedding of blood, innocent blood, that you claim is pagan is a deception. i understand though that it is difficult to understand, but long before Jesus was willing to prove this system, yes, there were Blacks doing this to others, killing them, and committing acts of cannibalism and etc...

Rituals do not have to be literal as long as the act is performed and confirmed in the process system known as the brain. The point is being asked to drink and injest the life force of another . The practice is still as powerful to this day with the subsitution of wine for blood and ******** etc for flesh open your eyes dear friend. As long as the thought is put into the image nation it does not have to be literally as long as the concept is consistent.
 

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