Black Spirituality Religion : Why I Had To Step Away From Ra Un Nefer Amen

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Several times I've asked the question if the Christians are wrong about the things that can be proven why should I trust them about things that can't be proven. In all fairness I've had to ask the same question of Amen. I have employed a large number of words in the service of pointing out what's amiss in the bible and the church. Yet, I never expressed my reservations about Amen because of the love and respect I hold for those who recommended him to me. In truth, the man is on his own. I cannot venerate him based on the recommendation of others.

What am I talking about. I am talking about Mr. Amen's faulty science. In an effort to establish the scientific evidence for the existance of God Amen asserts that God's mathematical design of the universe is evinced in every atom of matter. According to Amen's formula every atom has electrons that orbit the nucleus in layers and each layer has the same number of electrons distributed in an order thata can be discerned only by intelligent beings.

On the first level there are 2 electrons. On the second 8. On the third 18. The fourth 32.

An intelligent creature can discover the code by which God laft his/her stamp on creation.

2(1)square = 2
2(2)square = 8
2(3)square = 18
2(4)square = 32

This simply is not true. What makes it so ill is that this is not rocket science. This is grade school stuff they teach little kids in the 7th and 8th grade. So it doesn't take much gumption to look up the facts.

Now I asked myself if he is so wrong about such an easily researchable bit of information why should I believe he has the facts about things that are not so available? And why shoyuld i follow spiritual practices that Amen himseelf cautions could lead to demon posession and insanity if I don't perform them absolutely correctly? Especially when none of my teachers has ever experienced them and those people who have experienced them said it scared the h. e. double toothpick out of them.

I can't throw out the chicken with the grease. There is a lot of good stuff in Amen's books. The difference between the Metu Neter and the bible is that the M.N. belongs to my people not my slave master so it sets me free while the bible keeps me in bondage. It's not the factuality of the science that sets me free, but the affirmation and establishment of the spiritual truths that are already in my mind. For many these truths lay dormant and the M.N. awakens them.

Nobody ever suggested that the Metu Neter or the Pert Em Heru or the Book of Going Forth by Day are the inerrant, infallable and inspired word of God, It has always been attested that these works represent the writings of men. Yet great spiritual truth has been ascribed to them based soley on their antiquity. The underlying assumption being that these ancient people had a line to God which we don't have. So we have to find out what God said to them because he's not speaking to us.

This is utter hogwash. As many of us have said our minds are the only thing we have that we know is from the Creator without anyone having to tell us, We can glean truths from books written by men but the presence of truth in a book does not absolve us from our responsibility to use our brains to discern what is true and what is not true. Bad counsel is ninety percent good. It's that ten percent that will destroy us,
 

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Well, just like the creators of other religious works, Amen is still human.

With any type of religion or spirituality, I believe what is most important is using your own mind/perspective to siphon out what is applicable or what isn't. Metu Neter is a vehicle towards understanding Kemetician theology; it doesn't mean you have to accept it in its entirety to be a practioner.

I agree though that no one has any less access to God's knowledge. We could all write our own Metu Neters, Bibles, etc. if we look deep enough inside our spirits.
 

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karmashines said:
Well, just like the creators of other religious works, Amen is still human.

With any type of religion or spirituality, I believe what is most important is using your own mind/perspective to siphon out what is applicable or what isn't. Metu Neter is a vehicle towards understanding Kemetician theology; it doesn't mean you have to accept it in its entirety to be a practioner.

I agree though that no one has any less access to God's knowledge. We could all write our own Metu Neters, Bibles, etc. if we look deep enough inside our spirits.
Exactly, sista Karmashines.

And while others may not accept what we write as the gospel truth, that's okay because we'r not trying to add to the plethora of neon signs that claim to be the only true message from God, Like you said we have within us a vehicle for understanding==our own little two cents in the bank of diine knowledge.

That's beautiful isn't it.
 

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i disagree

i have not found a problem with amen so far.
the reason for this may be that i am not religious.
i look at Ra as another cat just like me, maybe a little smarter.
when i saw him in NYC, the people seemed to be worshipping him as though HE were the God. i don't get into that.
i bow down to no man (unless he has a 9mm in his hand).
you also seem to be placing emphasis on the man.

the book says that if i meditate in a certain manner i will see certain things.
i did that and i did see some things. i don't worry about the man. if i see what he says i will see then i will take the next step.
i do not have faith. i do not believe. i go with what i can see with my own eyes.

i'm trying to say that i only go with what i can see for myself.
if you can see it for yourself then go with that. if you cannot see for yourself then it may not be for you.
 

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Yea brotha James, it's the true believers that get shocked and dismayed and shaken up when they find errors in what they thought was holy writ.

Coming straight out of christianity I know some of the tendancy to venerate and worship carried over into my approach to Amen, but not completely.

My understanding of faith is not just holding something to be true despite all evidence to the contrary. Faith is acting on information to make it a reality in your life because you see it is a reality in someone else'slife. Faith is an impetus to act and in that sense you have it.

At this point I cannot have faith--I cannot act on the information because when I asked my teachers about their experience they either said they had no experience or ignored my question altogether. And I am not criticising my teachers. They are wonderful. I just could not follow someone to a place they have never been.

Maybe you can show me your experience and I can act on that.
 

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