Black Poetry : Why Have You Forsaken Me?

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  1. Amun-Ra

    Amun-Ra Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    What man lets his son suffer
    when he is able to give relief?
    What man wouldn't change the world
    to save his child of his belief?

    Uplift a man who loves another as his own,
    as only an open heart recognizes kinship in humanity,
    while lesser spirits claim paternity walk away
    the loving father is filled with responsibility.

    Perhaps Joseph was the better man
    taking in an already pregnant woman
    and then raising her son as his own
    while the child's father had other plans.
     
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    By twelve, that child knew he had to be about his Father's bidness, Ra.... at the garden, he said to his Dad, "let this cup pass from me, but not my will, but Thine".

    It is hard for us to bow down and accept that there are things we don't understand, yet accept by faith any way. It's almost outrageous to think that soon and very soon we will understand it better by and by... But I've read where the "foolishness" of God will confound us. And in the end, "salvation" won't be for everybody...cuz everybody won't believe it.

    You always provoke my Judeo-Christian mental.... and I love you all the more, for it. Gives me this opportunity to rehearse my lines on ya. :heart:

    a
     
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    I Knew You Would

    When I wrote this, I knew you would respond--you know it is my way not t let this subject skip past without questioning it--perhaps Joseph was the better man, he did what he needed to do to ensure that it all took place--or, was it not necessary in the first place--even the acknowledgement that his own father has forsaken him is damaging--it is a point to consider--why would a parent do that?

    Ra

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    :)

    If we follow the story to its conclusion.... The Son and the Father are together... and have been, since the foundation of this world. There was a Plan; and if we believe and hold fast... we'll be able to go beyond the veil and see for ourselves... that the ultimate sacrifice was cheap enough.

    But that's only if you want to have faith in what you can't see or understand. Only then.

    :heart:

    :)
     
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    Ah WE

    I started not to debate it, but I said--what the heck--it is something I enjoy.

    Yes--they spoke of "we", but "we" is who messed up in the first place and later required a blood sacrifice. "We" created man in their image and then did such a bad job that they had to destroy the world once and then came back and still didn't have it right. So, "we" needed a sacrifice. "We" decided our son would make it right. "We"allowed our son to be killed.

    Instead of fixing the mistake, "we" compounded it by acting as if "we" had no power, which by requiring a human being to save the world admitted to having no power to fix it, or Jesus was not human, and in that case he was a supernatural being and should have been able to do it himself.

    Either way "we" put it, falling back on "we cannot understand the ways of God" avoids the issue. God allowed his only son to be tortured and misused for a sin that God was responsible for in the first place by making imperfect creations. Surely an omniscient being knew that man was imperfect. Wouldn't an all powerful, all knowing God know he created an imperfect man?

    "We" can quote scripture and dredge up "it is beyond our understanding" but it does not answer the question. Here's a quote I thought you might find amusing. "Away with these atheists."--Colosseum crowd chant, ancient Rome, prior to throwing the Christians to the lions.
     
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    I aint try'n ta get in yall's debate or nuth'n ... just wanna comment on the peace ... Amun-Ra ... I love the line about Joseph being a better man, taking in a pregnant woman. We are living in a day when more men (and women) must be accepting of another's child, if they are to be involved romantically ... hmmmm ... perhaps another life lesson from the Word that I, till now, had never heard. Thank you for this.

    :heart:

    Destee
     
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    Well, this is very much like the discussion on how many angels can fit on the head of a pin, in my humble opinion.... "We" are a people who are very much enlightened and full of ourselves, except that nagging question that still boggles the inquiring mind... "how could a just God?..." There was a time when I asked that same question.

    Tells me one thing I know for sure; "we", are still searching, reaching for someone, perhaps God Himself, to give us an answer that will satisfy.

    I don't say away with the atheists.... when God created imperfect beings with the power of choice, He also knew we'd make our choices... we are free to choose which doctrine we will believe, whether it's Darwinism, Christianity, Hindu, Islam, Nationalism, or the green stuff we take to the bank. Folks are gonna put their trust in SOMEthing... Not one of us out here has no belief in NOthing. We exercise faith that we'll rise every morning. That our cars will start... that if we work 40 hours a week we'll get that paycheck....

    This has been very encouraging. It's much like the expression where there is life, there's hope....well, where there are questions, there's still the possibility of the discovery of truth. However, debate for debate sake is an exercise in futility....

    Thank you for your words. I remain....

    a slave to the Gospel

    :heart:

    a

    ps and I did find that quote amusing....it does depend on how you view things, doesn't it? do not get me started on the marriage of pagan and papal Rome...which is very much responsible for the way you feel today...:heart:
     
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    A crazy world

    I knew that quote would get you--It was for real that once upon a time Christians were considered atheists by the powers that be in Rome. I guess it has been so with every religion. Whoever wasn't in power was considered to be an atheist. Of course, I said all of that just to make a point on fatherhood. In today's society, if a man isn't married by the time he is thirty, it is more than likely he will marry a woman with children. It takes an exceptional man to take on that task and do it properly as an involved father--not every man can do it and that is too bad because there are too many kids who need an involved father--Ra

    :love:

    Hey! Now I got to drop something on the forum about the Pledge of Allegiance. That is a different subject for black folks.
     
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    feelin ya.... could that be a call for organized polygamy? :wink:

    waiting for you to continue to drop science on the pledge of they-legiance....
     
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