Black People : Why Do We Support Socialism?

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  1. river

    river Watch Her Flow MEMBER

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    There's no doubt the racism we experience in this world is systematic. Many times however, we think it's the economic system and conclude that if we change the economic system we will somehow do away with racism.

    The economic system and the system of racism are two entirely different things. Everything looks good on paper but the truth is a system of socialism run by the same greedy racist who now run this capitalist system will not help Black folks.

    The rallying cry of socialism is to each according to his need and from each according to his ability. That's a nice slogan but we need to ask a few questions here:

    1. who gets to decide what I need? This is not new to us. Many of us know what its like to hide the television set from government social workers coming to our hoome to make sure we don't have anything we don't need. You don't need two coats. You don't need a new pair of shoes. And you certainly don't need a Black man.

    2. Will my abilities bring me benefits as well as obligations? Black folks all over the African diaspora to have their best and brightest taken away from them to be "educated" because people who have more resources can offer our so called gifted children more than we can. This is called brain drain and it guarantees that whatever we as a people have to offer society will go to their society not ours.

    It's dangerous when we are given a catchy slogan and nobody is asking any questions. Slogans by their nature squelch questions. Slogans induce us to make an emotional investment in a cause. We will then protect our investment by responding with anger at any suggestion that the cause is not altogether correct.
     
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    good point but


    historicaly whites were not realy racist until the advent of capitalism,
    according to Dr Clarke, evidenced by the treatment of Blacks by the Roman and Greek Empires, bot who had slave systems not based on race,
    and a culture that rewarded people according to their skills and talents.
    There were Black emperors, doctors, generals and buinessmen and women inthe Roman Empire

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    evidenced by the treatment of Black in Europe during the dark ages,
    accordig to Runoko Rahidi and Van Sertima.

    Imperialism and it's child Capitalism called for the need for a sub class to opress and exploit,
    thus Scientific Racism was developed to propagate the ideology of white supremacy.

    Actualy the birth of racism in Europe and imperialism occured at the same time
    when the Moors were defeated in 1492 and late that year Columbus sailed the ocean blue, but realy red with the blood of slavey and genocide
     
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    This is a very intriguing theory!!!

    Property, labor, and money are the primary motivators, in my opinion, for racism.

    Racism is a system designed to keep a group of people at the bottom of the society. Those people are reserved as a cheap (and expendable) pool of labor.

    I have noticed that capitalism doesn't seem to work well without a large pool of exploitable labor paid at subsistence wages. This seems to be remnants of mercantilism in this.

    The difference in capitalism or socialism is by which corporation do you want to be ruled by economically? Banks or governments?

    That being said, I am more partial to capitalism than socialism. In my opinion, socialism hasn't work, doesn't work, and won't work.
     
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    Out of all the socalilist nations in the world and all of the capitalist nations of the world,
    where do you see socalism not working

    and where do you see capitalsim working other then for the benefit of a
    so called talented 10%?
     
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    Both are not good for the people. Both are top down systems of control, to maximize productivity. E.i. Euro-Slave systems.
     
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    You can see socialism failing right here in the US of A.

    Also, socialism destroys private property and individualism. I'm a big, big, BIG fan of both :).

    Actually, corporations and governments do as much as they can to stifle or hamper capitalism as any entity.
    Rent-seeking behavior stifles and hampers capitalism. Corporations, governments, and the wealthy engage in this type of behavior frequently.

    Corporations claim capitalism only when it serves their interest. They are more than willing to engage in socialism when their situations become dire e.g. the bank bailout.

    Permit me to ask, what economic system do you propose in place of socialism and capitalism?
     
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    I see valid points on both sides. And that is the problem. Like I said above, everything looks good on paper.

    The banks or the government? When the government makes laws that protect the interest of the banks at the expense of the interest of the people we're choosing between a nickel and five pennies.
     
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    And that is what Dr Clarke said to us clearly,

    but looking at the capitalist nations in Africa the Carribean and South America

    and then look at the socalialist nations on those continents aslo,

    where our people live,

    which have the most impoverishment of life
    and wich have the better quality of life?

    which is the lesser of the two evils?
     
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    Capitalism A Love Story, Michael Moore


    The Money Masters


    A Great and Mighty Walk
    Dr. John Henrik Clarke
     
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    You are correct. Both capitalism and socialism are theories. Theories hardly ever work as diagrammed :).

    Another contention in all of this is individualism vs. collectivism.

    Concerning capitalism, I think we would also need to consider mercantilism in addition to Lex Mercatoria.
     
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