Black Spirituality Religion : Why Do Most Christians Eat Pork When It Is Forbidden In The Bible?...

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  1. Aqil

    Aqil Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Although most Christians either don’t know - or choose to ignore it - God strictly forbids the eating of swine flesh (pork) in the Holy Bible. This Biblical injunction and references to it can be found in the following verses: Leviticus 11:7-8; Deuteronomy 14:8; Isaiah 52:11, 65:4 and 66:17; and Ezekiel 4:14 and 44:31. And if you have a Bible that contains the Apocrypha, read 2nd Maccabees chapters 6 and 7 for a tragic and horrifying account of how those who refused to eat pork were tortured and killed by the invading Gentiles (or Europeans)...

    The very name of this foul animal contains an allusion to the prohibition of its flesh. In the Arabic language it is called “khinzir,” which is a combination of “khinz,” meaning “very foul,” and “ara,” meaning “I see.” So the Arabic word for swine – “khinzir” – means, “I see it very foul.” In India the swine is known by the Hindu name “su’ar,” which is pronounced like the English word “sewer”...

    The flesh of swine has been proven to be injurious, not only to man’s physical health, but to his moral and spiritual health as well. The swine eats filth and takes delight in living in dirty places. It has indecent habits and possesses the evil trait of sex-perversion. Tapeworms, scrofula, cancer and encysted trichina (i.e., trichinosis) are known to be prevalent among pork-eating people. The following is a list of “foods” categorized as swine flesh and therefore forbidden by God in the Holy Bible:

    bacon, baloney, barbecue ribs and/or shoulder, chitterlings (hog intestines), fatback, ham, ham hocks (hog knees), hoghead cheese, hog maws, mountain oysters (hog testicles), neckbones, pepperoni, pig ears, feet and tails, Polish sausage, pork loin, pork chops, pork skins, roast pork, salt pork, sausage and "soucemeat" (i.e., "sow's meat" )...


    The flesh and blood of not only swine, but any dead animal as food is evidently injurious to man’s health. Most authorities recognize this fact on medicine. All foods that are inherently the products of violence (i.e., slaughtering and/or butchering) have a negative effect on the body’s metabolism. This is so because all flesh foods (beef, pork, lamb, fish and fowl) are the end result of murder...

    Consider this profound poem re: the perils of eating pork by an anonymous author:

    FROM HIS TAIL TO HIS SNOUT...

    He was made a scavenger, and God says he’s unclean,
    and what else can we find so filthy and mean?...

    Eat not his flesh, nor touch his dead carcass,
    for with sin and disease it surely will mark us...

    Oh yes, dear people, God’s word, it is just,
    still we eat the ol’ greaser, yes eat him we must...

    The dirtiest of all beasts, we will not be without,
    so we eat the slop-eater, from his tail to his snout...

    We would be much better off if we obeyed God’s command,
    and ate the vegetables, fruits, and grains of the land.

    We pray long and loud, we jump and we shout,
    still we eat the ol’ greaser from his tail to his snout...

    How we sing, “Oh Happy Day,” and talk of love all divine,
    then like vultures we feast on the dirty ol’ swine...

    We might shun many ills and diseases, no doubt,
    by discarding the hog from his tail to his snout...
     
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    Consider the context

    It has been suggested by some that man was created to be a vegetarian. We may well have strayed from the original intention of our Creator. However, being of sinful nature, Christ has covered our shortcomings (sins) and said that what goes into our mouths is not as important as what comes out of it.
    The context of meat prohibitions as described in the Old Testament had the purpose of public health for a fledgling, uninitiated band of about 2 million Israelites. God wisely proscribed certain foods that were likely to cause illnesses that would prevent their top performance in the battles ahead. Scavenger fish and animals were likely to contain disease; parasites could find their way into animals that had split hooves. Shellfish are bottom feeders (scavengers). Everything that God created is good for man. The trip across the desert was a special, unique episode in the development of Israel and its journey to Canaan.
    And of course, we now have refrigerators, antibiotics, and other modern means to make the meats disease free. In my opinion, the precautions stated in the early texts were of a public health nature, not purely of a spiritual or godly edict,...never to be breeched.
     
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    I AGREE WITH IMHOTEP

    Many of the "rules" of the old testement were for our protection and nothing more. As I said before...It is bad for us to consume as much meat as we do. However, it is a result of our glutony not our diet. If it were simply a question of us eating meat at all, eskimoes would have much more disease and illness than us...but they do not.

    I find that many Muslims hate pork, but love shellfish....how is this ok?

    And on a humorous note....why have I never seen any well built, muscular vegetarians?...lol

    What cha think?

    peace and luv
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    God's laws of right eating are contained in the Old Testament. And remember, Eskimos do not eat the same kind of animal flesh as people do in this country. They subsist solely on the whale, which provides them with not only their dietary needs, but many other needs as well.


    God forbids the eating of swine flesh in the Holy Bible and the Holy Qur'an. I am not aware of any Muslim loving shellfish, which is a mollusk or crustacean having a shell-like exoskeleton.


    Hold up now...Just because YOU haven't seen any doesn't mean that there AREN'T any. There are several NBA players who are vegetarians, and from what I can see, they are well-built and muscular. And remember, all the prophets in the Old Testament were vegetarians.

    And you KNOW Jesus didn't eat no pork chops...:read:
     
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    Lev. 11 1-2
    The Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying to them: 2..Speak to the people of Israel, saying; from among all the land animals t
    these are the creatures that you may eat....

    There is an entire list of which ANIMALS we may eat and those that we may not....among those in the NOT category are 'pork and anything in the waters that do not have fins and scales i.e. shellfish.'

    I know only a few Muslims and of them all condemn pork and all of them eat shrimp and many other types of shellfish.


    Luke 24 42-43
    42--They gave him (JESUS) a piece of broiled fish,:43--and he took it and ate in their presence.

    There are other examples of Jesus eating meat in the BIble including particpating in passover which is a meal of Lamb.

    I can not thank you enough Aqil. Before our discussion/debate I admited to my ignorance on the subject of Jesus being a vegetarian and struggled with the quesion of wheather or not I should adopt it for myself because it was God's wish, but now I KNOW through research of the Bible that Jesus was NOT a vegetarian and that it is ok for me to partake in meat in moderation.

    I have no knowledge of the Qur'an or any of the other Holy books, so obviously I am at a disadvantage in that regard, but since you have been trying to use the Bible to bolster your claim that we as Christians should be vegetarians, I am confident in my research and my subsequent finding that Jesus and other prophets were indeed meat eaters.

    Which NBA players are vegetarians?... And I know there may be a few that are well-built, but for the most part (and ALL of the ones i have seen) vegetarians are thin and lacking muscular definition. I am a personal trainer and have vegetarian clients and their is a definate difference in their muscle tone and that of us filthy meat eaters. (smile)

    peace and luv
    Dre'
     
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    The Apostle Luke wrote:

    "And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?*

    And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

    And he took it, and did eat before them..."


    (Luke 24:41-43)


    *He might have just taken the piece of honeycomb, A007...(the word "meat" is the Greek translation for the English word "food").
     
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    Those who are not acquainted with ecclesiastical history may suppose that the book called the New Testament has existed ever since the time of Jesus Christ. But the fact is historically otherwise. There was no such book as the New Testament until more than 400 years after the time that Christ is said to have lived...
     
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    The word "meat" in the Bible is actually English in origin and means "food" in general. Throughout the Bible the words "animal flesh" are used when describing meat as we know it. Next time you read the words "meat offering" in the Bible, remember the correct translation is "food offering." Read Ezekiel 47:12 for further clarification...
     
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    *He might have just taken the piece of honeycomb, A007...(the word "meat" is the Greek translation for the English word "food").

    True...and he might have eaten the fish seeing as how he participated in passover meals and helped fisherman fish it is rationale to believe that he would not have turned down the broiled fish. And....wouldn't these men have known that he did not eat fish (and did not want them eating it either)?? So..they probably wouldn't have offered him fish if it were forbidden.

    "Lev. 11 1-2
    The Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying to them: 2..Speak to the people of Israel, saying; from among all the land animals
    these are the creatures that you may eat....

    There is an entire list of which ANIMALS we may eat and those that we may not....among those in the NOT category are 'pork and anything in the waters that do not have fins and scales i.e. shellfish.'

    I know only a few Muslims and of them all condemn pork and all of them eat shrimp and many other types of shellfish. "

    Address these please...
     
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    He might have just taken the piece of honeycomb, A007...(the word "meat" is the Greek translation for the English word "food").

    A007:

    "True...and he might have eaten the fish, seeing as how he participated in Passover meals and helped fisherman fish, it is rational to believe that he would not have turned down the broiled fish. And...wouldn't these men have known that he did not eat fish (and did not want them eating it either)? So...they probably wouldn't have offered him fish if it were forbidden."

    Jesus' disciples ask where they will get enough bread to feed the multitudes, never even thinking of buying fish or other animal products, and never suggesting a fishing expedition, despite being the sea. Also, evidence indicates that the story of the loaves and the fishes did not originally include fish. For example, the earliest accounts of this miracle do not include fish, and Jesus, when he refers to it, refers only to the bread (e.g., Matthew 16:9-10, Mark 8:19-20 and John 6:26).

    Fish were added to the Bible stories by Greek scribes, probably because the Greek word for fish, "ixous," is an acronym for the phrase, "Jesus Christ Son of God-Savior." Indeed, the fish is still a symbol of Christianity today. In this very likely interpretation, the multiplication represents a prediction of the burgeoning church, Jesus making his disciples "fishers of men" as he promised, and has nothing to do with eating animals.

    Also, some scholars contend that the Greek word for "fishweed" (a dried seaweed) has been mistranslated in this story as "fish." It is certainly true that dried fishweed would be more likely in a basket with bread, and fishweed remains a popular food among Jewish and Arab peasants...like the people to whom Jesus was speaking...
     
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