Black People : Why Are We Mad At Oprah?

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  1. Metaverse

    Metaverse Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    "The Aim of an Argument should not be victory, but progress".. - Joseph Joubert (1754-1824)


    Would this be yet about great debate or thread of arguments here at Destee? Maybe, maybe not.

    Personally I can say there is a volume of knowledge at this site that has changed my mind about what I believe. Many of you Brothas and Sistahs of deep introspective knowledge, are perhaps changing the world right here with your words. I thank all of you...

    With that being said...

    Why are we mad at Oprah?

    I've been upset with Oprah for some time now. Upset, not because she is the richest Black Woman in America. Not because she has more power than most small countries in the world. Or not because she has used her childhood pain as a springboard to wealth.

    I've been upset with Oprah for not healing, yet asking millions of Women to heal. If Oprah were truly healed she would be living a life beyond the scope of her fame and career. She has never struck me as a Woman who can have an unprofessional romantic relationship with a Man, which is a sign of blockage and pain.

    She has actually raised a "Beyonce" culture maybe. Independent Survivor Sistahs, who make sure you know how "replaceable" you are.

    Don't get me wrong. I love our strong Sistahs. And I know the Black Goddess must rise. These times call for our Women to rise. But I do critize Women who rise up only to drop-kick Brothas in the back of the neck.

    If I am wrong please correct me.

    I've been upset with Oprah for using White feminism in America as her weapon of Mass distraction. Upset because she is a role model, but if our Women truly modeled what Oprah is, our Black nation would die in a heartbeat.

    But I am not upset with Oprah for opening up 2 Schools in South Africa. I've heard several arguments around the net, where Brothas and Sistahs are very upset about Oprah opening up schools there, while there is so many poor here.

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    For once I do agree with Oprah. Many children here want more playstations and money, than education. "Our" children in South Africa want Education.

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    So who are we to tell an Billionaire what to do with her money? In the same light, who am I to question her ability to heal, and what business marriages she arranges in order to grow her empire? We already know there are questions about her sexuality. Should Oprah really be a model for young Black women?

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    If Black America could focus, we could make over 500 Billionaires who serve our self interests.

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    But is Oprah really doing a bad thing? Whats so terrible about opening Schools in South Africa. Obviously White Americans are angry with Oprah too. Ironically, I don't remember that much protest when Madonna adopted an African baby for her collection. I guess it's fine to "save" Black babies from a condition, than to use money to make those conditions- better?

    What's your take on this one Family?
     
  2. OmowaleX

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    I aint mad at Oprah.

    She is a product of her times. She lived through the Black Power movement, the feminist Movement, the Sexul revolution, and as a late bloomer, the anti-Apartheid movement. Oprah lived through and witnessed the decline of black radical nationalism, and found her niche in the system, which so many other black folks were doing during the mid-to-late 70s.

    Remember, she is a Boomer. One who was deeply influenced at one point by Winnie and Nelson Mandela. While so many protested against apartheid, Oprah was one who made real contact with the exile community and now she is following up and providing direct assistance and material aid while so many other former anti-apartheid activists and in no position to make any real difference in what is an escalating health epidemic.

    Folks talk about pan-Africanism. Oprah is living it.

    I have been reading Gates' book on Oprah discovering her roots. She connects deeply with the Zulu. And she is now more aware of where she came from in Mississippi.

    I am on a similar journey, from a similar family background deep in Neshob and Attala Counties.....but dont have nearly the means to make a significant contribution to a struggle that I once went homeless while providing direct material aid.

    Oprah, and Wesley Snipes, who has been living and working in Namibia may be coming around late, but at least they are coming around. And if Africa is where their hearts are at, so be it!
     
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    I never truly understood the Oprah-bashing either. She can't meet the demands of ALL Black people. She's one woman who worked hard to get where she is in life. If you ever read this: job well done Ms Winfrey:spinstar:

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    I AM yet not that concerned over 'Oprah' as an individual anyhow, however I could point YOU into several well explained definitions as to why some folk may find the 'rules' invoked at Oprah's school somewhat suspect.

    From MY understanding, this is where the snag is most evident. Again, this information does not come from here, so I won't post'em. Even so, the concern over anyone's 'personality,' could not ever supercede the fundamental needs of the Diaspora anyhow, or should'nt.

    And this is where the 'snag' becomes more evident for ME. What message are the efforts of any philanthropist sending to the CHILDREN of OUR People? Obviously, OUR Children (being Children,) are most impressionable and ultimately the only effected.

    If these 'efforts' are not being kept in check or, an attempt at least being made then, OUR Children may fall victim to the opportunism of any tyrant, as is historically been proven.

    One only has to ask...'what are they teaching the Children about Themselves?'...to determine the overall intent. Though I have never personally experienced a decline in Black Nationalism, nor ever even realized that there was one, such are normally (or abnormally,) the effects of the 'intent' of the wrong folk weilding too much power.

    WE are all aware I AM sure, that the 'virtue' of having money does not make ONE 'virtuious.' And it is THIS fundamental 'truth' that it would behoove OUR People to recall, before making decisions concerning OUR People.

    Example: 'Who is richer that Ted Turner?' (Who had given 1billion dollars to 'charity' a few yrs back but even the more 'ignorant' of OUR People realized that he would just wrtie that money off to taxes...or just lose it so it was a business move to say the least...)

    But to MY observation, ted turner is the most ignorant man the creator ever blew breath into....and ted, if you ever read this, I will NEVER change MY mind about you cause your money don't impress ME so accept it.

    So (concerning OUR People,) .....'Why are WE mad at Oprah?'
    Because she's just not that significant...I would wonder the same thing.



    ROARIN.......
     
  5. silent-ra

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    i dont know if i would be quick to say this woman is living pan-africanism. its like Brotha Malcolm has taught: "if we knew what a revoluton was, we we use a different word." the same is true with pan-afrikanism.

    one of the key concepts of pan-afrikanism is that yu do not base yor philosophy on eurocentric ideologies-especially those that work against the Afrikan people. here, we have this woman opening up a school for girls only which is an aspect of eurocentric feminism to divide and cause strife between the genders of south afrika.

    second, the school is set up to accept the elites or either accept those based on some arbitrary litmus tests by winfrey and her staff-who show based on her show here in the states, that they lack an Afrocentric perspective. so how can they determine who is righteous enough to be a student at this so-called school?

    also that concerns me becuz what was the criterion to get a place in her school? again, a eurocentric based driven ideology exported across the atlantic but in this case it may create anger and disappointment among the children while at the same time building the freudian egos on the othas who got accepted.

    finally, winfrey proudly announces that the school is for all races of girls. huh? yea, she has some little diasdvantaged white girls up in there.(i didnt know disadvantages white girls existed in south afrika). again, a eurocentric based ideology exported to the mothaland.

    jus becuz she's using a small amount of her money on afrika does not mean she knowledgeable or, a pan afrikanist.

    again, we have to start going deeper and refrain from getting so excited off small, insignificant instances of politics.

    winfrey could have won me ova if she had of open up a school for both genders while making ot madatory of excluding the offspring of europeans. that's pan-afrikanism, or at least an honorable start.

    i know we hate to come to the conclusion that our people are playing a game with us. it hurts i know. but in order for us to stop this cycle we're in, we must be able to understand the concept of misdirection and how when someone seems to be doing something positve, it does not mean they are doing something positive.

    winfrey still remains in the warriors book as a bonafied phony who luv her some white folk.
     
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    Did you watch her show yesterday?

    She was specifically attempting to address some complaints in regards to the school's discipline, which some view as being too harsh.

    Also, in regards to your comment as to "decline in Black Nationalism", relatively speaking, there were more active Black Nationalist organiztions 30 years ago than there are today. That is a FACT. Which translates into decline of Black Nationalist ACTIVISM.

    Perhaps you have not lived through this time period. I surely HAVE.

    This DECLINE can be specifically attributed to the decline of NBIPP and the BUF, both of which supported the political ambitions of Ron Daniels and Jesse Jackson and in 1984, the Black "Nationlists" largely became Democrats and supported Jesse's presidential bid.

    The MMM was successful in MOBILIZING Black folks but, this has not trnslated into increased Black Nationalist MASS-based ORGANIZATION, on a NATIONAL level comparable to the Black United Front (BUF), National Black Independent Political Party (NBIPP), The National African Youth Student Alliance (NAYSA), the Black Panther Party (BPP) or SNCC.

    This is FACT, my brother!
     
  7. OmowaleX

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    I was largely with you until this posts, and now must question your age.

    If you did not participate in the anti-apartheid movement and provide DIRECT MATERIAL AID, I do not expect you to understand what she is doing.

    Do you really know why there are white girls there?

    Some of those "white girls" are ORPAHS, some have parents who were KILLED in the armed struggle, as SOME had parents who were ANC members, SOME who were military commanders of Umkhonto We Sizwe!

    Yes, there were plenty of whites in South Africa that fought against the Afrikaners for a Free South Africa.

    Ever heard of Donald Woods?

    Let me ask...are YOU doing more for the Youth in southern Africa? Are YOU providing any DIRECT technical or medical assistance to the youth dying of AIDS/HIV? Are YOU in Azania building schools for Black orphans who were displaced in the anti-aparthied struggle?

    You call these "small, insignificnt instances of politics"?

    Can you SHOW and PROVE you have done or are presently doing, anything GREATER?!

    By the way, if you want to question my own credbility in this I can give you references starting with Brother who was a Comrde of Steve Biko.....
    http://la.ucla.edu/Master.cfm?Page=Unit/Index.cfm&SiteAreaID=119

    You can ask him about the African Education Project, Steve Biko Project, and South African Task Force, while you're at it.
     
  8. roarin1

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    Watch Oprah!(?)

    Brother, I'D rather fall on MY sword. Though the organizations that YOU mention, may very well have dissolved, (or suffered decay,) but does this maybe speak to their validity?

    Black Nationalism is a way of life for some, not an organization. Brother YOU have stated facts...no doubt, however the organization that I represent (maybe it's the tunnel-vision I suffer but,) it has not and will not suffer the ills of these 'others.' Let's just say, it can't.

    Oh yes, I wore Dishikis and Tiki's when they were'nt even popular in the 60's.
    Course, most 'Brother's' were'nt even 'Black Nationalist' then, they did'nt understand it and some still don't.

    But, I still AM 'optimistic' that the Love of OUR Other Honorable Fathers (the seperatist,) will once again prevail. Since THEY taught US, and still teach US truth, I believe THEY will prevail.


    ROARIN.....
     
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    my age is irrelevant. let my words, which walk with truth, speak to my being.

    lets start with yor weakest assertion first:

    Let me ask...are YOU doing more for the Youth in southern Africa? Are YOU providing any DIRECT technical or medical assistance to the youth dying of AIDS/HIV? Are YOU in Azania building schools for Black orphans who were displaced in the anti-aparthied struggle?

    dont get mad at me cuz yor girl is phony. what i'm doing or may not be doing is not at issue. people usually write things like this when they believe they really dont have a true analysis to present, so they switch, or try to switch, the focus.


    yu drool ova white people joining yor movements but fail to think why they joining? of course yu would respond by saying they 'want to see us free.':haha: too, i bet yu cant tell us the statistics on how many euros caught the bullet and beatings and scourge of death in south afrika as opposed to the blacks in south afrika?

    here, in 2007, yu want us to believe that euros really do care about us:hammer: and more specifically that euros in south afrika want to diminshed thier luxuroious lifetsyles and privilege to help the black south afrikan free?:skillet:

    finally, yu should pick up a copy of The Destruction of Black Civilzationby Chancellor Williams and really read it. it may help yu to understand that historically, europeans in afrika have not always had our interest in heart.
     
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    So you are actually going to question the "validity" of SCC, the Black Panthers and the Black United Front?

    If so, perhaps you can point me into the direction of those who hold more "validity"!

    What EXACTLY is this orgniztion you "represent"?

    And I sure hope its not "United Slaves"!!

    :haha:
     
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