Black People : Why Are Cigarettes Legal?

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  1. Destee

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    Hello Family,

    Why are cigarettes still legal, when they try to make it appear as though they care about us ... claiming to test drugs for safety, making some illegal.

    It is not disputed by anyone that cigarettes are harmful to our health ... so why are they still legal to buy and sell?

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    Because hypocrisy knows no limits in this wicked nation.
     
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    that's a good question...
    you might also ask:

    1. why is cocaine legal ?
    and contrary to what anyone thinks...it's legal. Police ride the streets every day, see us buy and sell on a daily basic...and they turn a blind eye. why? because they get PAID.

    2. why is cough syrup legal ?
    I can remember the times (even now) when the drug store would have to restock 'robitussen, vick's 44 and several other cough syrups 4-5 times a week. people was/is drinking it down like water. who has that many colds in one week? but they don't enquire about it, why? because they get PAID.

    there are countless of things that are sold to us everyday that is indeed killing us even quicker than cigarettes. and like cigarettes and everything else when it comes to the old "dollar bill" humanity takes wings and fly.
    but that's just my opinion
     
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    queenstwana, excellent points and let's add cow's milk to your list of things being sold every day that aren't good for us to consume. I would even question the quality of air we breathe and the water we drink thanks to manufacturing companies and the car industry.

    Do you think there is a scale scientists use to measure and set "safe" ranges to consume products without instant death resulting? I'm sure test results show long term effects are harmful when exposed to certain conditions and maybe the Food and Drug Administration willfully engages in misleading advertisements to fool the public into thinking it's okay so that companies that manufacture certain products can make their profit and hope no one finds out. I recall reading an article some years ago written by a heart specialist who wrote that if people really knew what eating ice cream does to the arteries in the heart, they wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. But think about what not eating ice cream would do to companies that manufacture the product.

    Now I know this might have been a frivolous claim, but what about the person that tried to sue McDonald's for making them obese and developing serious health problems as a result. She claimed fast food companies should have a "warning" label on their packaging similar to what appears on cigarette packs because to consume it could be hazardous to your health.

    Look at the tobacco industry and what happened here in America. And you know what? I saw a report that claimed that when Americans started suing tobacco companies for wrongful death claims, they diverted their interests to international markets and increased their sales by targeting Asians who are known to be heavy smokers. At the same time, appearing to be sympathetic with the American consumer by launching their "be aware when you smoke" publicity campaign. Money makes some people lose their minds, doesn't it?

    Queenie :spinstar:
     
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    thought provoking topic

    hi sister destee :spin:

    u pose an interesting ?, 1 which can b addressed on many levels. i'm going 2 direct most of my comments 2 a couple which i didn't c mentioned yet n ur discussion.

    gov regulation, how much is enuf?

    part of the issue of legality revolves around the ? of gov intervention & how much ur willing 2 tolerate. almost everyday we engage n activities that place our health, spirituality, & emotional stability n jepardy 2 some xtent. stop & think about all the activities u perform n 1 week which involve some risk/danger? how much invasion of ur privacy, or individual rights r u willing 2 sacrifice for their reduction or elimination? a study by the national highway commission n 2002 suggested highway fatalities could b reduced by 20% f highway traffic was reduced by 1/3rd, or, 15% f speed limits were lowered to 45 mph, yet, no changes were implemented. y? b/c no political mechanism existed 2 introduce those measures w/o subsequent political castration.

    think about the traffic load reduction 4 a moment. wld u b willing 2 wait at a highway entrance where a gate would only lift 2 admit 1 car, each time another vehicle over the designated stretch of highway exited? by waiting u wld b helping 2 save lives, possibly including ur own. as 4 speed limits, there hv been more attempts 2 raise the speed limit than lower it, & those attempts hv been, n spite of documentation of the dangers, on the whole, more successful as well. i mention this only as an example.

    good health, who's responsible?

    i sure hate u had 2 mention that about ice cream sister queen, just when i got my freezer packed w the stuff! get my lawyer on the phone, lol. i'm prob going 2 step on a lot of toes by saying this (won't b the 1st time), but, when it comes 2 safeguarding ur health, it's on u. i don't think it comes as a surprise 2 any1 that there is an inexhaustable supply of harmful substances commonly available, which would b prudent 2 avoid, or at least reduce the ingestion of. but isn't it also tru, that many of us hv chosen a lifestyle laiden w detriments 2 our health & well being? what % of the population wld u guess engages in vigorous cardio oriented wkouts for 30 min or more, 4 - 5 times a wk? how many ppl do u believe spend 1/5 of the time they spend watching tv, planning out a week's worth of healthy meals 4 the family or themselves?

    ur right 2 ? the logic of leaving ciggarettes legal, but what other consumables or activities shld we also make illegal? ingestion of alcohol might take a little longer, but immoderate consumption over years has killed a segment of the population. did u know that, statistically at least, swimming is the most dangerous sport n the world? more ppl die from drowning each year than perish from participation in any other recreational activity. there r certain positions 4 coitus that make cramping, internal bleeding, and soft tissue injury more likely than not. since this is a pg site, i won't devulge the assorted injuries i hv 1st hand knowledge of resulting from the use/misuse of certain adult 'toys'.

    obviously, i'm jus scratching the surface here. the bottom line 4 me, & no, i'm not a smoker & nvr hv been, is, the gov's nose is already much 2 far up my u kno what already. legislation will nvr substitute 4 intelligent moderation.

    nice discussion topic :toast:
     
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    Alkebulan
    what a way to go...5 points to you :jumping: for being right on point. I can clearly see you've been doing a lot of homework...as we all (or most) know that..."politics and religion" are bed parteners, and together in bed...they are awesome :bazooka:
    Hi Queen...
    about the Ice-cream?...I agree totally. Gives me a hunch you've read the very good and insightful :book: called "African Holistic Health" if so, that's a very good thing. And to all that read this...It's a MUST- HAVE :book: for our people. If you think Ice cream is bad...read about peanut butter, lipstick just to name a few. Oh Alkebulan, you were so on point. I'm sure that you will agree with me when I say that: "ANYTHING WHITE WILL KILL YOU"...over a period of time. Everyday products that we use in the kitchen as we cook for our family in the name of love...which is in reality "the name of death"
    how many times do we go in the kitchen (out of love) and fry up some finger licking down-home deep south chicken? most people (sadly including myself) use WHITE flour, but flour is not white...it's bleached as with rice and grits. there are countless of food products that we intake each and everyday that...in time, break down our immune system...oh darn!! I'm getting :mad: again because it gets so much deeper than that...and know this as a fact...all the things that I just mentioned above about the immune system?...the correct name for it is: Aquired Immune Deficency Sydrome...yes it's that big...A-I-D-S that shuts the door in the mist of life.
     
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    You don't know what you don't know . . .

    Alkebulan and Queenstwana, you're both making some very good points which are raising this thread to another level.

    You don't know what you don't know, but when you think you know, it's best to check it out by doing more research.

    So what if your cakes are more dense and less light and fluffy because you use unprocessed flour as opposed to bleached flour. But who makes cakes from "scratch" anymore? It's much easier to grab a box of cake mix off your grocer shelf, right?

    So what if your breads are made with whole grains which makes them heavier, don't you think we'll eat less if they were? But who makes their own breads anymore? Brown and serve and the next best thing since sliced bread is found in our kitchens.

    Denser cakes and heavier breads made at home are scoffed at now and frowned upon by almost everyone who knows anything about cooking. Pound cakes in a box are filled with air and leave you far less satisfied after eating a slice. There was a time that you had to take a drink of some liquid behind each bite of your grandmothers pound cake recipe and eating a second slice right away was out of the question.

    Natural grains ground and milled the "old-fashioned" way were better for us. What is the nutritional value of yams, beans, honey, soy, garlic, olive oils, onions, and flat breads? Eating grains is good for us but the difference is in how the grains are processed. How is simolina wheat produced and could it be better for us as a flour than what we usually find on American grocer shelves?

    Staying away from a debate about whether to eat meat or not but for those that do, certainly quantity and quality of daily consumption is important here too. Eating certain types of meats can add nutritional value in our daily diets. BBut look at how meat is being mass produced and sold to the consumer? Mad cow, bird flu, swine flu, fish with high levels of mercury and low in Omega3. If we're going to eat it, shouldn't we know what we're eating?

    Here's one link that I found the information to be interesting and helpful. It confirmed some of what I already knew, i.e., the value of home grown over store bought; but I also learned something I didn't know, i.e., farm raised versus natural environment caught fish. It's food for thought:

    http://www.endonurse.com/articles/3c1feat3.html

    Peace,
    Queenie :spinstar:
     
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    THE AIDS RIDDLE AND MORE

    IN HAVING INVESTIGATED THE ISSUE OF AIDS, IT SADDENS ME TO SAY THAT AIDS IS NO ACCIDENT. WHEN I WROTE MY FIRST BOOK, I WAS DOING EXTENSIVE RESEARCH INTO AIDS BECAUSE I KNEW SO MANY BROTHERS THAT HAD IT. FIRST WE MUST DEAL WITH THE WORD ITSELF.

    A=ACUIRED..I=IMMUNE..D=DEFICENCY...S=SYNDROM. Understanding that, the first question we must ask ourselves is: How does ones immune system become deficient to the degree of aquiring illinesses that are life threatening? Before answering that, lets deal with the idea that this was supposed to be an accident or an African disease from the monkeys there.

    In 1976 president Jimmy Carter made a historical speech entitled: Global 2000. This speech was of such major importance that the hairs of the European world literally stood up on the back of their necks. It was in the historic speech that he unveiled to the European world that they were fast becoming a minority and that by the year 2000 or shortly after, that the Black and Hispanic population would begin outnumbering them.

    Of greater importance was the IMPLICATION that something obviously had to be done on their part immediately...and something was.

    From 1976 a series of events would begin taking place in our communities and the African world at large. First would come the influx of cocaine. A drug which was once reserved for rich white America would now find its way to our doorsteps. With it would come guns of all sorts, along with a stronger impact of materialism and violence, which in turn produced a new sense of alienation among our people.

    In time the media began focusing in on our communities as we were being criminalized in the face of the world at large. Soon after, new laws would come into fruition, guaranteeing lengthy prison sentences for our young during their child producing years. Meanwhile America pledged a war on drugs, when reality states that "A HOUSE DIVIDED CANNOT STAND." The truth of the matter is that the government itself is behind the import and making of cocaine.

    As it turns out, without the aid and chemicals from companies like Getty, Mobile and Exxon just to name a few, there would be no way to convert the coca plant into cocaine.

    In 1988 every major tv station and newspaper around the world had broadcast and printed the emergence of a new virus aimed at the annihilation of African people. Only in America was this news never broadcast or printed until the Amsterdam news paper in New York did a reprint of one of the original prints from abroad. Already stories were circulating in an attempt to socially castrate us by implying that this was an African or Black disease...that this was a gay disease and that it was a disease of drug users.

    With our communities not having a nation wide paper or media as other do, we were subjected to myths surrounding the virus that had come to be called Aids. More that that, the diliberately created death trap called Aids was swiftly upon our communities reaping its intended destruction. While our communities in America were being devastated, the World Health Organization was busy in Africa giving out small pox vaccines....vaccines that turned out to be mysteriously responsible for the spreading of Aids to 75 million Africans on the contenent.

    With the spiritual forces of our sister in full bloom, all speculation concerning if it was a black or homosexual disease went out of the window. In her book entitled; "The Isis Paper", Francis Cress Welsing reveals the existence of a book entitled: "A survey of CHemical and Biological weapons, by John Cookson and Judith Nottingham> On pages 110 and 332 of this book, you will find the entire disease mentioned. What's really frightening and most revealing about this book is that it was published in 1969. We can safely say, based on the 1969 book, that Aids was no accident and most of all that it's being used for our extermination.
     
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    Great question, Destee. Yet people want sugar to be illegal when it's great for baking!:lol: While cigarettes have absolutely no such purpose but to get people hooked.:10500:
     
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