Black Spirituality Religion : Who Were the Moors

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  1. river

    river Watch Her Flow MEMBER

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    We know the Arabs enslaved us and brought us Islam. Why do Black Muslims equate the Black Moors with the Arabs in their attempt to uphold Islam as the Black man's religion? what is the relationship between the Arabs and the Moors. What is the difference between the religion the Moors practiced and the religion Mohammed gave us?
     
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    Great topic and questions River.

    I hope those who respond explain what they know about the Moors and the countries they conquered. Especially Sicily. Please include period dates, and any information on allies they may have had and that kind of stuff. I heard they were fearsome. :danger: ( in a Awesome, and Overwhelming way. ).
     
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    What do you mean equate Moors with Arabs? Can you clarify this question for me?

    Here is some basic info about the Moors:
    "Early in the eighth century Moorish soldiers crossed over from Africa to the Iberian peninsula. The man chosen to lead them was General Tarik ibn Ziyad. In 711, the bold Tarik, in command of an army of 10,000 men, crossed the straits and disembarked near a rock promontory which from that day since has borne his name--Djabal Tarik (`Tarik's Mountain'), or Gibraltar. In August 711, Tarik won paramount victory over the opposing European army.

    Wasting no time to relish his victory, Tarik pushed on with his dashing and seemingly tireless Moorish cavalry to the Spanish city of Toledo. Within a month's time, General Tarik ibn Ziyad had effectively terminated European dominance of the Iberian peninsula. In the aftermath of these brilliant struggles, thousands of Moors flooded into the Iberian peninsula.
    Tarik himself, at the conclusion of his illustrious military career, retired to the distant East, we are informed, to spread the teachings of Islam."

    SOURCES
    Golden Age Of The Moor, Edited by Ivan Van Sertima
    The Story Of The Moors In Spain, by Stanley Lane-Poole

    http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/moors2.html

    "Like Spain, Portugal was to be culturally influenced by the Moors. Its association with Africa dates as far back as the fourth and fifth centuries when Africans arrived in southern Europe. But it was in 711 A.D. that they marched in as conquerors under the command of Tarik. To reinforce what has been said earlier these Moors, as the early writers chronicled, were "black or dark people, some being very black."

    After the invasion of 711 came other waves of Moors even darker. It was this occupation of Portugal which accounts for the fact that even noble families had absorbed the blood of the Moor."
    http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/portugal.html

    Musa ibn Nusayr, Arab governor of North Africa, joined Tarik in Spain and helped complete the conquest of Iberia with an army of 18,000 men.
    I am not sure which sect they belonged to, if that is what you are asking, but this is no different than asking the difference between the Methodist and Baptist.
     
  4. I-khan

    I-khan Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    From my knowledge the early Moors were a mix between Arabs and African converts to Islam,this man can explain it better than I can.


    Moors in Spain
    by John Henrik Clarke & Phillip True, Jr.
    During the Arab invasion of Morocco, there was a great general known as Gibril Tarik. The African Tarik, now governor of Mauritania, entered into friendly relations with Count Julian, governor of Ceuta who was on very bad terms with his master, Roderic, the King of Spain. Count Julian urged the African Tarik to invade Spain.

    In 711 A.D., General Tarik, accompanied by 100 horses and 400 African soldiers, crossed over into Spain on an exploratory mission. Tarik's small army ravaged several Spanish towns and returned to Africa laden with spoils. Later that same year, Tarik took an army of 7000 Africans, crossing from Africa to Gilbraltar (named after him), defeating King Roderic and conquering most of the Iberian Peninsula. Thus began the Moorish domination of Spain, which was not fully ended until 1492.

    The Moors built magnificent cities in Spain. Cordoba, in the tenth century was much like a modern metropolis. The streets were paved, and there were sidewalks for pedestrians. At night it was said that one could travel for ten miles by the light of lamps along a continuous strip of buildings. This was several hundred years before there was a paved street in Paris or a street lamp in London. The population of the city was over one million. There were 200,000 homes, 800 public schools, a number of colleges and universities, and many royal places surrounded by beautiful gardens.

    The Tanneries of Cordoba and Morocco City were the best in the world. Cordoba was the most wonderful city of the tenth century. It was served by 4,000 public markets and 5,000 mills. Public baths numbered in the hundreds. This amenity was present at a time when cleanliness in Christian Europe was regarded as a sin.

    The mineral wealth of the land was not disregarded. Copper, gold, tin, silver, lead, iron, quicksilver, and alum were extensively mined. The sword blades of Toledo were the best in Europe, and the factories in Murcia turned out the finest of brass and iron instruments.

    Education was universal in Moorish Spain, available to the most humble, while 99% of Christian Europe was illiterate—not even the kings could read or write. In the tenth and eleventh centuries, public libraries did not exist in Christian Europe, while Moorish Spain had more than seventy, of which the one in Cordoba contained over six hundred thousand manuscripts. There were more than seventeen great universities in Moorish Spain, while Christian Europe had only two universities of any value.

    Scientific progress in astronomy, chemistry, geography, mathematics, physics, and philosophy flourished in Moorish Spain. Scholars, artist and scientists formed learning societies, while scientific congresses were organized to promote research and to facilitate the spread of knowledge. A brisk intellectual life flourished in all Islamic dominated societies.

    The moors also introduce the manufacture of gunpowder into Europe, which their enemies later adopted, using this explosive to drive them back to Africa.


    http://www.nbufront.org/html/MastersMuseums/JHClarke/WorldHistoryOverview/Chapter18.html
     
  5. Moorfius

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    Who are the Africans, Egyptians, Moors , Negros and now Africans in America????

    Hotep

    The socalled names given to the so-called Black Origenal People of the earth are not our true names but only names that were given by indoeuropeans to identify the so-called Black People of now so-called Africa in their recordings of what they saw outside of Europe. The socalled Origenal Black peopel of the area called them self among others (KMT) Kemet...we are still Kemet or Kemites not black, colord, negros, moors, ethiopeans, abbassenians, egyptians etc. We are only confused when we read about our ancestors being called by these different names through out our history by "White People" or europeans...including the indoeuropen Arabs who are not socalled Afracans eaither. Catagoricly across the board...all socalled Black People of Africa who were seen by europeans called them "Moors" before the "Slave Trade" and after the slave trade begain by the Portugese Spanish europeans...they started to call "Us" Negros and forgot the Moor as a name except in their history books leaving the now ignorant so-called Africans who were brought into "Slavery" to think they are 'Negros'! Islam was spread by the sward by the socalled Islamic Arabs invading socalled Africa. Today there are more socalled Black African "Muslims" in socalled Africa than there are "Arabs" in Arabia...and as always with the indoeuropeans the most socalled holy places are all outside of socalled Africa and will never have a socalled Black African Muslim, Christian, Jew or otherwise as overseers of these places because that will mean they are not in "Control" of the "Western Religions" and the system of "White superimacy" that uses these socalled Religions to control the "Masses" of socalled Black Africans and all others by the Altra rich and powerful evil and wicket indoeuropeans who always goes to "War" to see who is going to control the masses for their selfish greed and world domination...hence "World Wars 1-2 and now 3". When the socalled African and all others stop looking in the "Wrong" places namely the "Fabricated" religions of the "West and the East" and return to the success of the Kemetic ancestors Spirituality given to all by the Creator...then and only then will the days be numbered for the control of western religions (that time has come) controling the "Minds" of the Earths Origenal people with "Fales" docterins of fabricated pleagerized distorted Lies that are given in the place of "Right Knowledge" or MAAT.

    Ase`

    Note: When falsehoods or Lies are mixed in with the "Truth" ...then it is no longer pure and not fit to guide in "Right Knowledge" or Spirituality...and those who follow those fabrications or Lies are "Lost" with out exception.
     
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    http://www.africawithin.com/moors/moors_and_arabs.htm

    Moors and Arabs
    by Yvonne Clark


    When the Romans entered West Africa in 46 B.C., they saw Africans and called them Maures, from the Greek adjective Mauros, meaning dark or black. It is from Mauros and the Latin term Marues that the word Moor is derived. Since the inhabitants of North Africa were black, the Romans and later the Europeans called them Moors. It is no coincidence that the land inhabited by the Moors was called Mauritania and Morocco, meaning "Land of the Blacks."

    In the beginning of the seventh century, the Arab prophet, Muhammad, began to preach the word of Islam. Consumed with religious fervor, the Arabs sought to spread Islam and conquer the world. By 708, the Arabs had overrun North Africa. Consequently, Moors in large numbers accepted Arabic as the national language and converted to their conqueror's religion, Islam. Interestingly, hundreds of years later, Africans who had been enslaved by Europeans would again convert to their conqueror's religion, Christianity.

    After the fall of the Roman Empire (fifth century), Spain was held by a barbaric white tribe, the Visigoths. Though they were Christians, their brand of Christianity was cruel and unjust. For this reason, Spain's Jews, serfs, and slaves looked favorably upon the arrival of a new civilization in which they would be able to live free of persecution.

    Tarik, a great African chief, was given the rank of general in the Arab army and sent to raid Spain. On April 30, 711, Tarik landed on the Spanish Coast with 7,000 troops. His troops consisted of 300 Arabs and 6,700 native Africans (Moors). An ancient source, Ibn Husayn (ca. 950, recorded that these troops were "Sudanese", an Arabic word for Black people.

    The Moors were unstoppable, and Visigothic Spain ceased to be. The few resisting Visigoths fled to the caves of the Cantabrian Mountains. Later in the century, the cave dwellers would venture out of the Cantabrian Mountains and reclaim parts of northern Spain.

    The Moors of Africa were the real conquerors. When the Arabs arrived, the hardest part of the job had been done. Instead of treating the Moors fairly, the Arab chiefs assigned themselves the most fertile regions. The dissatisfied Moors were not long in coming to blows with the Arabs. (The History of Spain by Louis Bertrand and Sir Charles Petrie - published by Eyre & Spottiswood, London, 1945, page 36). Ultimately, the Moors acquired two-thirds of the peninsula, which they named Al-Andulus.

    Al -Andulus was obliged to pay tribute to the Arab Caliph (King) of Damascus. As Al-Andulus acquired its own identity, its bond with the Caliph began to weaken. In 756, Al-Andulus proclaimed itself an independent state. Thus, its only links to the Arabs would be the Islamic faith and the Arabic language.

    The Moorish architectural remains in Cordoba, Seville, and Granada prove conclusively that these cities were more prosperous and artistically more brilliant than any Christian cities in Europe at the time. The Moors of Al-Andulus held the torch of leaning and civilization when the rest of Europe was plunged in barbaric ignorance.

    If Moorish Spain had been an accomplishment of the Arabs it would have been called Arab or Arabic Spain. Instead it bears the name of its creators, the Moors, i.e., Moorish Spain. Moorish culture was black in origin, bright in Achievement, and powerful in its influence on the rest of Europe.
     
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