Black People : Who Stole The Soul

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  1. OldSoul

    OldSoul Permanent Black Man PREMIUM MEMBER

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    THE BRIDGE: Who Stole The Soul
    Divided Soul By Darryl James

    *Part of our Soul as a people can be found in what we can create when we come together. But with marriage on the decline and the genders nearly at war with public propaganda, our proverbial Soul is now divided.
    For example, men once lead the Black community. Now, women have ostensibly displaced them, but not really. And there is no way for anyone to lead when all bets are off and many paradigms have been turned on their heads.
    For the first time in our history, more Black men are claiming that there is no racism and therefore, no need to deal with the problem of race or racial issues. To them, anyone who can not get ahead is “choosing” to be left behind.
    For the first time in our history, more Black women are now asserting their status as women above their status as Black people as though that will get them above racism, when really, it just leaves fewer of us focused on Black issues. And it leaves more of us divided.
    You can say anything negative about Black men and many people will readily agree. Even if it is false.
    We are blamed for interracial marriage (even amongst Black women), the infection of Black women with everything, anti-intellectualism, the decreasing marriage rate of Black women, poverty, wild children on the street and global warming. People claim that there are more of us in prison than college and that most of us are deadbeat dads.
    But say anything about Black women and dead-brained @ssholes will come out of the woodwork to claim that you hate all women. Even if what you say is true.
    With no accountability, we’ve seen many Black women become over-sexualized yet undereducated about sex. We’ve seen more of them prepared for life alone and fewer prepared for marriage, while many of them think that being single mothers automatically makes them Strong Black Women.
    We’ve seen many of those single mothers prepare their daughters to work hard and live independently, while preparing their sons for nothing. And in the midst of fewer marriages, many Black mothers and fathers have either adopted a false permissive parenting style or no parenting style at all while selfishly pursuing a hedonistic lifestyle foisted above the children they made because they thought parenting would make them look good, not because they really wanted to be parents.
    We’ve seen such soulless parents produce a generation of Soul dead children who are now adults with no idea what is good and so pursue nothing and get awarded anyway.
    Those soulless parents have produced a generation of children who think that two dead rap stars are heroes, who think that sex is free and hard work is for suckers and who think that drug dealing and violence are the natural pursuits of Black men and that sexual objectification and avarice are the natural pursuits of Black women.
    Where we previously would have had an ability to police our own and so make necessary community corrections, too many of us have adopted the majority’s standards and now rely on people outside of our community for ways and means to move our community. As though they really care. That’s why many Black women supported Hilary Clinton because she is a woman, and many Black men supported her because her husband is a “friend” of Black people. Her husband, Bill Clinton, who presided during a time when Black college enrollment decreased while Black prison enrollment increased.
    A president who joined his wife in making nearly slanderous racial remarks and making certain that the presidential campaign was focused on race. And still we celebrate the denigration of our Soul by anyone who dares to do so, including ourselves...
    We will not become white with privilege and we will no longer be what we once strove to be—self-determining and self-sufficient proud Black people.
     
  2. Ionlyspeaktruth

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    :terrific::terrific::terrific: Great post!
     
  3. Each1teach1

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    While I agree with some of the points made in the latter part of this post I think that we are once again on the merry go round when it comes to gender roles in modern african american life. Whenever I hear a black man try to speak on black femism I am always drawn back to Michell Wallace's article "the search for sisterhood". It seems that most of you fail to understand that their has been two seperate feminist movements in this country since the latter part of the 1960s, the white feminist movement and the black feminist movement. Black women have the double wammy of not only being women but black women in America. Though I dont identify myself as a black feminist I do see the issues that effect black women in our community in dealing with black men, white men and the world in general. Black men fail to realize what black feminist are trying to say, what they are about and the fact that they are NOT apart of or share views and goals with white femist due to the racism within their ranks even amoung women. If one really wants to understand black feminism then I will recomend the book as I have before and hope that a black man will read it and be informed the next time he attempts to speak on black feminism, athough the original author may never see this post.

    "All the Women Are White, All the blacks Are Men, But Some of Us are Brave" edited by Gloria T. Hull, Patricia Bell Scott and Barbara Smith
     
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    While im at it other questions need to be addressed.

    How have black women "displaced" black men in our communities?

    When did this occur?

    Why?




    personally I think its an insult to say that black women have "displaced" black men as if we are (once again) the culprit or soul source of their oppression. The word "displacement" is often used to discribe what has happend to the people throughout africa who now reside in IDP (Internally Displacement People) camps because of civil war! To hear this continually comming from black men is an an assault on the co-victim of white supremacy! It makes no sense at all yet it continues to be thrown about without the speaker (s) even understanding these words which they speak nor the depth of the accusation.

    Lets end this, begin the healing and we should start by addressing these questions esp men, first within themselves and then maybe on the forum.
     
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    Bow Down, Black Man!

    Oldsoul - great post.

    each1 - Here is more from the same author re black feminism. Rings true too!

    http://www.eurweb.com/story/eur38660.cfm

    *It is a thing of immeasurable ugliness that the Black male image is besieged to great proportions, yet we are supposed to join in and rage against ourselves, ostensibly, in support of the Black woman’s empowerment.

    We are asked, in essence, to bow down to the Black woman.

    It would be one thing if we were bowing down in praise to the beautiful women who uplift and stand with Black men to create loving partnerships and families. However, in many cases, Black men are asked to bow down to Black women in an act of self-deprecation and self-destruction.

    We are asked to ignore our own pain in deference to the pain of Black women, allegedly all caused by us.

    Some sisters are even offended that we speak of our issues with Black women, even though the air is loaded with their complaints about Black men.

    It is as American as apple pie to deride Black men, but let me say it now: I will not participate in the decimation of the Black male image.

    Black men do not have such sophisticated vehicles as Essence and Oprah to rage against our adversaries, lament our woes, or declare our power and might—real or imagined. We have few arenas to discuss any of our issues outside of politics and sports.

    While so-called Black feminists rage against Black men for the oppression we supposedly dole out, we are still the last to be hired and the first to be fired; yet, we are the only group without a vehicle. There is no Black man’s movement, or even a masculinist movement at large for us to take part in.

    ...

    Black women have not cornered the market on pain. We are both in pain and both in need of understanding. Once we stop comparing oppression sets and just embrace each other, there won’t be a battle of the oppressed to see who is the most downtrodden.

    It’s a thing of balance. If you hear us, we will hear you and then we can go about the business of making things better for us all.


    http://www.eurweb.com/story/eur38660.cfm
     
  6. Each1teach1

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    just a quick note that the author of this article is not the author that I mentioned just to avoid any confusion.
     
  7. Jazzytude

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    And your point is???

    The souless is the ones who don't have the belief that all we need is us ....THE BLACK WOMEN AND THE BLACK MAN TO HANDLE OUR OPPRESSORS!
     
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    black people.....

    black men and black women are one. there is no separation, not really. her pain is our pain. his pain is our pain.

    the fallacy is thinking that there are two disparate groups, there is not.

    all those who entertain conversations that pit brother against sister are counter revolutionary.

    black people have to teat each other better. it's that simple.
     
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    Whatever

    Counter revolutionary is turning your backs on your own...if you don't want your women then dont claim unity!!!!!!!!!!!!!.UNDERSTAND

    Unity ...........Don't say... I love BLACK WOMEN but continue to choose women of other races.

    No matter how yall try to suga coat that to us it looks like treason!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!........

    DON'T SAY YOU MY LEADER AND BELIEVE THAT WE CAN'T OVER COME OUR OPPRESSORS TOGETHER.......

    See us talking about this aint counter revolutionary....but you or anybody trying to stop or hinder this dialog is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...............

    I can show you what seperating is....but it won't be pretty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    there are choices in life. you can chose to argue, fuss and fight or you can chose to get on with the struggle against the real enemy of black people.

    the system of global white supremacy oppresses us all.

    anything that distracts from that simple reality is counter revolutionary.
     
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