Black People : Who Do You Work For ... (who hands you the money) ... Black People or White People?

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Who do you work for?

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  1. Destee

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    Peace and Blessings Family,

    I've thought and thought on how best to present this thread or question, because of course, i want the best possible results in the end. I want us to be able to see what we are doing to our own selves, and/or perhaps, what has been done to us. So please bear with me as i get this out.

    Who do you work for ... Black People or White People?

    That is the question.

    I'm talking about the money it takes for you to survive. The money it takes for you to live. The money it takes for your lights, gas, water, and shelter, life's basic necessities. Who hands you that money each week, month, etc.?

    I would guess that the overwhelming majority of us, work for white people.

    I've created a poll above, so we don't have to guess at this number, please vote.

    While we criticize some of us that do this, Oprah, Bill, Condeleeza, Clarence, and other such big names, catering to their bosses whim, in order to receive their pay ... i'm wondering about you. Is there any real difference between you and them, or any of the others we may criticize?

    Are the majority of us not all in the same boat?

    For the few that can say, i work for Black People, then you are probably starving, like me.

    It is being taught, shown, and enforced upon us in some invisible way, that to work for Black People, means you will starve, so don't even try that just come on and work for us. Long before i committed myself to this community, i was told that Black People won't support me. It seems to be an understood reality. I was told that you need something other than Black People, to depend on. Even being told this beforehand, i wasn't discouraged. I had to see for myself, because i believe(d) otherwise.

    By working with and for white people, you will at least be guaranteed a meager existence. For some, they will receive more than a crumb from the white man's table, but instead, a few crumbs. Some will be able to boast and brag, about their big houses, multiple cars, great retirement, and imagined ease of life (for you will never live with the ease of your employer). Along with this goes the rule that you don't bite the hand that feeds you. So no matter how upset, angry, or dissatisfied you may be, you will never speak of such too loudly, to your employer personally, or where they can hear it, if you want to continue eating in the manner you've become accustomed.

    Now if you have the nerve and the gall, to quit working for white people, and work for Black People, they have another lesson waiting for you. One which i've become intimately familiar with. You will starve. So it will only be a matter of time before you give this route up, unless you're willing to die for it.

    So the choice is yours, and it seems we are all making that choice, perhaps unaware of the legacy we're leaving for our children. It's one thing for our enslaved Ancestors to have worked for them. It is altogether another, for us to still be doing it.

    How can our babies ever know what it is like to be united, unified, a force to be reckoned with, when all we can offer each other is starvation? Our children, and their children, are now forced to play their game, their rules, their everything ... because we can't seem to get it together, in even a collectively small way. If we can't do this now, for our babies, there's no sense in thinking our babies will do it for their babies.

    What reason do our young people have, to work for us? Is it no surprise that even after they go to college, they seek to work for white people or do things that put them in a position to receive white people's money? They want the trappings that working for them brings. Of course they do. It's what we've taught (shown) them to want and strive for.

    We have no jobs to give our young people, yet we complain about the things they do to get money so they can survive. We tell them, go get a job from the white man, even though we know they will not be as fair and equitable to our children, as they are to their children. Our young people know this too, and are sick of it. It may be why they are lashing out, doing unspeakable things, because they know it is not right (and don't know what else to do, for they have no other examples to follow). They may be saying, you might have treated my Daddy like a slave, but you won't be treating me that way. The babies can't see as far down the road, that in fact, if they go against the grain, a greater slavery will be their end, prison.

    When a Sister or Brother wants to work for Black People, they are told by Black People, to try something else. Do something different, because you will starve. In most cases, those saying such things, do so because they love us and don't want to see us suffer and beg. This is our reality. If we're not being told to do something different, we're being talked about by the other Sisters and Brothers, looked at like some sort of side-show freak. Sisters and Brothers saying to themselves, what is wrong with her or him, why don't they just go out and get a job from the white man (like the rest of us) and quit crying to us about their woes. For the small Black Business Owner that tries to cater to us, we say, why are your prices not like the white man's prices. Why isn't your service like the white man's service. Why do you think we'll come to you, when we can go to him. We'll come to your place, but we're not buying. Black businesses can hardly stay alive, let alone pay other Black People, but they say we spend billions a year. While there are some Black businesses that have not had this experience, they are the exception to the rule, and in most cases their primary clientele, is white. Either way, the end result is the same.

    We are collectively perpetuating the system that is our demise.

    We need many examples of us going against this grain, for our children's sake. Black People working for Black People.

    Please vote in the poll above (it's anonymous), and share your thoughts below.

    Much Love and Peace.

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    Destee
     
  2. Da Street So'ja

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    actually i work for neither

    i work for the federal reserve banking system

    lol

    but seriously

    i would love to work for a black owned company

    but i've mostly been paid (if that's what you want to call it) by white people

    now we seem to be catching on to what i've been talking about for years

    this game is a game that even white people have a hard time at

    white man are #1 in gun suicide deaths

    why are the killing themselves?

    doesn't this place benefit them

    they are killing themselves for two reasons

    thinking they are privilege

    and not realizing the ONLY color that matters in Amerikkka is GREEN baby

    GREEN

    until we make this OPEN enterprises truly OPEN and accessible to ALL

    it will never be right

    but balance has a way of making things just

    and the time is here

    just sit back get your popcorn

    and enjoy the show you are about to see

    in 2008
     
  3. Destee

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    Brother DSS ... i don't care why they're killing themselves. This is not about them. This is about us.

    Black Men aren't killing themselves. They might kill you or me, but they aint hardly kill'n their own selves.

    That is not our problem.

    White is the only color that matters to them, which allows them to control all the other colors (green included). That is why i believe it is called, white supremacy.

    I'm not interested in anything, at this point, that includes ALL. My focus is entirely on Black People. We are not in a condition to make "ALL" anything. We can't make / help our own selves or Collective Family do or be better (evidenced by our collective condition). What we look like worrying about 'ALL"?

    It will never be right for us, until we begin to collectively love our own selves and each other, properly.

    Thanks for your response! :grouphug:

    Much Love and Peace.

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    Destee
     
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    yes yes yes

    sista D

    i just brought up that point just to show how sick this is

    and what we've got ourself in

    but it all starts under this banking system

    how do we survive?

    and don't starve as you say

    how can we prosper

    and we it be allowed?

    the past makes you wonder

    as much as things change.........................well you know the rest destee

    and we i said "ALL"

    that includes us

    we can't live on an island in this present day

    so everybody has to be involved

    they way it is now at the expense of others can't continue

    loved your comment
     
  5. Destee

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    Brother DSS ... i'm understanding you, i know we're more together than apart.

    But it's not about us trying to live on an island. It's more like this ... i live in my house, my neighbor in theirs. My house is a filthy mess, but i am going over to clean my neighbor's house. What kind of sense does that make? That is totally out of order. We need to be in order of the natural balance of things. We need to first clean our own house, then go and help our neighbor clean theirs.

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    I've worked in the Black community going on nine years now, it's a wonderful feeling working directly with my people. I'm a Designer and an Artist and I create anything from Business signs, clothing designs to media press kits.

    I love what I do and I love the people I work for. I don't always enjoy the rate of pay, but in an African marketplace if people are not haggling for your product that means they don't want it. I enjoy feeling wanted and even chased after for my product. I can personally say I work for Black people, and the majority of Black people I work for own and control their own businesses. Now, there are some here and there who do work for White companies. From time to time however I work "with" Asians because they dominate allot of the markets I have to access. It's difficult to get anything wholesale these days without them.

    I learned a great deal about "Black on Black Business" in Brooklyn and Harlem. Sometimes we are afraid that our people will either not do business with us, or that they will take advantage of us because we are Black. You know, everyone wants a "hook up" or a family discount. This is true, however once you establish a professional attitude with the "right" people, things usually go fine. The "wrong" people are the ones you shouldn't be doing business with anyway.

    Before working directly with Black people, when I didn't have a business I was selling on the phone for a big timeshare company. Supervisors were always on the floor watching you and taking notes. Managers were always calling you into their office to "rate your performance." And sometimes your best co-worker one week would be your overseer the next. I was never cut out to work for "The Man." But I guess we all work for them indirectly right? Everyone works for the Government one way or the other.

    That being the case, why have middle men? I wish more of us would learn the value of entrepreneurship. Yet another thing is that, some Black people who employ other Blacks have become "The Man" too, and can crack a meaner whip. We need more Black suppliers and distributors too.
     
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    "Who do you Work For?"

    The answer is not about what race is the person who signs my paycheck; it's about how do I spend the money I do earn.

    I work for my family.

    Even if every dollar I made came from the hand of another black person, if I spent that money frivolously and didn't support my family then I would have no legit claims to "working for" black people generally, or my family specifically.

    It doesn't matter if your money is made off black consumers or not, as long as you're accepting payment via the u.s. dollar you are still dealing with a capitalist system.

    Yes, Black people must support black business.

    But black business cannot offer inferior services or unsustainable business models or consume all revenue for personal expenses instead of investing back into the business...not and expect to survive.

    What happens to a white business that does this?

    They go out of business.

    They can't say, "white people didn't support my business even though I was working for them."

    Why? Because all you usually have to do is look down the street and you'll find a white competitor with a smiliar product or service doing just fine.

    Our problem is not who we work for, it is that in order for black people to support black business we have to offer SUPERIOR service, product or value than a black person can get anywhere else.

    Now, we can lament about the reasons for this all we want, but the reality is what it is and won't be changing anytime soon.

    I support black business as it is critical to our development as a people.

    But as a business owner and budding entreprenuer myself, I have to deal with the world the way it is and not the way I WISH that it was.

    There are plenty of black business people who provide jobs for other black people. And there are even some black business that make their money primarily from black people.

    But those business will NOT be businesses offering the same service, or the same product, at the same price, as competitors. It is what it is, so we either deal with reality or we don't.

    And I disagree, working for a business not owned by black people is in no way equivalent to human chattel slavery of the sort experienced by our ancestors.

    Getting a job is not being a slave, neither is starting a business where you have to spend every waking moment working to keep that business afloat.

    A slave has the fruits of her labor stolen and is not compensated with anything other than what is required to keep that slave living and breathing to work another day.

    So rather than get a job or create a job, some young people today would rather rob and kill other black people to acquire quick $$$.

    That is not a reaction against so-called "white supremacy" and is a self-destructive behavior that has no precedent in the legacy of african slavery.

    Slaves did not do this. Slaves built and maintained families.

    In spite of who they "worked for", they took care of themselves (the black family remained intact for 100 years after 1865).

    If more of us acted like the best of our slave ancestors we'd be a lot better off than we are today.
     
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    The African American Self-Perpetuating Cycle of Self-Destruction.

    Destee,

    You hit the nail on the head when you said "We are collectively perpetuating the system that is our demise." I call this "The African American Self-Perpetuating Cycle of Self-Destruction." Our issues as a races are far too complicated to consider from the single social perpective of who we earn our living from.

    I am sure, that like me, you are interested in SOLVING our problems rather than just talking or complaining about them. As of this writing, there is no plan in place robust enough to solve our tangible problems. Furthermore, racism, is a distractor from our tangible problems and will keep us focused on hating/disliking whites rather than truely confronting our own tangible problems.

    I will give you a perfect example of this. On average 6342 black men between the ages of 16 and 34 are killed each year, by black men ages 16 to 34. (Total soldier killed in Iraq and Afghanistan during both wars combined have been 4646) This is an average of 17 black men murdered by black men each and every day. But, because it is a black man doing the murder, there is no outrage, Al and Jessie, stay home, we do not protest in the street. BUT, let one white person kill a black, or a white police officer kill a black, "oh snap, no he didn't, grab your signs, lets walk the streets".

    I am not suggesting that we ignore racism, but that we address ALL enemy of our race. I don't care if the enemy is black or white. I don't care if Don Imus or "50 cent" call a black woman a nappy headed prostitute, they are both the enemy of the race. We have an enemy within that we are giving free tickets....in fact in some case, we are paying their way to the tune of millions upon millions of dollars. If we are so distracted by racism that we cannot confront our internal enemy, we cannot transition from victims to victors. If we can confront internal and external enemies equally, then we are on to something.

    NOW, back to my "African American Self-Perpetuating Cycle of Self-Destruction." Well, to see the document, go to http://www.thedream2008.com then go to the "Files, Video's, and Music" menu and open the pdf file named "Visio-CRM African American Self-Perpetuating Cycle of Self-Destruction" for a "flow chart" of our comprehensive problem graphically depicted. I would love to discuss it with you. Considering your passion, which I appreciate greatly, it should generate a lot for us to talk about.

    For the record, I did answer your poll. I do work for a white owned company that has close to 3k employees and I only personally know of one other black person. I have heard rumors of two to three more, but have not seen them...(the company is spread over 11 states). Yes, the employer will always make more than the employee. It works the same for white employees of the white employers. This is not about cleaning their house while mine is a mess. It is about how capitlism works. In America, we are all free to choose our way. That is why one 24 year old might CHOOSE to sell crack in the street and claim he is just doing what he must to survive (he is the enemy) while another is Ephan Taylor the Multi-Millionair and youngest black CEO of a publicly traded company. They made different choices. One choose to blame racism for forcing him to sell poison to his people for a quick dollar while the other choose to use his spare time responsibly, make wise investments, be the employer rather then employee, and not make excuses as to why it couldn't be done. We all have the ability to make such choices.

    One thing I have noticed about these young men who are "doing what they must to survive", they are most likely to conceive children, and least likely to provide for them financially and emotionally. Rather than invest their quick dollar in businesses, they invest in rappedly depreciating assest such as 22" wheels, $150 gym shoes, and gold teeth (even gold depreciates installed in a persons mouth :) They are the least likely to invest in a home, land, or any other type of appreciating asset. We must name this activity and lifestyle as an internal enemy, teach our children the value of education, and unity. We must stop doing self-destructive things! We cannot do self-destructive things then EXCUSE it away, by claiming they are just doing what they must do. This is not TRUE. They can do better than sell their own people poison to earn themselves a quick dollar.
     
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    Brother MetaSaience ... thank you for sharing your experience working for/with Black People. It is experiences such as you've described, that make me believe. When i started my business, it was Black People that sustained it, Black business owners. I absolutely loved working with us, and still do to this day, even though my path has changed some. Then, like now, Black People are actually looking for other Black People to do business with, to commune with, to heal with. This is why i believe, because i have seen it.

    Unless things have changed a lot in 10 years, working for white people is detrimental to the overall health of Black People, in my opinion. Yes, i know there are probably some low-down Black employers, mimicking what they've seen done in regard to business management ... but i don't believe it's our nature to be that way. The more of this we can showcase, provide examples of, good working experiences with other Black People, the better it will be for us. I know i always imagined, that if people were working with/for me, i'd be the kind of employer that i always wanted. One that would appreciate my contribution properly.

    We need more experiences like yours, and mine, and they need to be built upon. We have it within our own means, to take it to the next level, allowing us to work for each other on the most basic of levels and beyond. Once we amass a collective of this, we will have given our children something to build upon.

    Again ... thank you for sharing!

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    Destee
     
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    Mother Destee,

    I'm not sure if you've experienced this, but I can really sit back and observe White people for what they are now that I don't work for any of them. When I go to the store and see them, or the gas station- there's a sense of freedom I experience, like a force field. Now if I had to see White people every single day and work for them, then I would be a different camper. I've gone months without seeing a single White face.

    Now I live in a mixed community, Black, East Indian and South American people- so sometimes I see White faces. My Queen works for White people, and we have a totally different end of the day. She comes home every day stressed out. If I'm stressed out it's because I didn't make allot of money that day. If she's stressed it's because a White person was nipping at her heels. I keep pushing her to go work for herself, even offered the startup money. But I've found out that some of us, no matter how conscious we are, are just "used to" working under White people. Even the stress seems normal to us.

    Sometimes I understand, because bills have to be paid and people have to eat. Every now and then, a White person will show up and start begging me to come work for them. "You'd be such an asset to my company." To which I reply "I know, because I'm an asset to my own."

    This is another great conversation to have before the Euro year 2008 pours in like cement. This new concrete will either trap us, or provide a stable foundation for us to walk. Find out what our people need and find a way to provide for them. Sounds easy enough right?

    Mother Destee, thank you for understanding what we need, a way to express ourselves, communicate and sometimes- just vent. My wish for you is for your actions to never be in vain, and all that you do for the community maintains you financially. As well, this wish is for all of us.
     
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