Black People : Who are you?

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  1. skuderjaymes

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    The 13 voices in my head are taking a vote on that, and will get back as soon as possible.
    It could be awhile though. One only speaks Estonian, and finding a translator has been difficult.
     
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    I was going to start thread to continue a subject started in another thread, but this seems like a good thread to put it in so I'll start here.
    This is continuation of a topic from here What Does This Picture Say to You (2)

    Correction, I never wanted you to say you were black. I said I saw mixed people as black, therefore they are black to me. Question, what makes you different than Halle Berry? Obama? Kidada Jones? Mariah Carey? You may identify more with Kidada Jones & Mariah Carey because of skin color (they are so light they can nearly pass) but all of them are mixed and have a white mother and black father. It may be easier for darker skinned biracial folks to claim blackness than it is for lighter/whiter skin - but should skin color be the determining factor for who is 'black' or not? That's not a rhetorical question and I pose that to anyone - because it's a very good question that even us who are fully black struggle with. We don't know who is our 'group' and who is not. And I mean by Black American standards, not anyone else.

    So I don't confuse myself about who is black and who is not - I narrowed it down to - anyone who has a black parent is black, regardless of skin color. Should you call yourself otherwise, so be it.

    StephiA, I think your perceptions are shaped more by the fact that you lived in all white environment, along with the fact that you so very light enough to pass. I understand this, so your saying you're 'mixed' or 'light skin' does not bother me because that is what has shaped you experiences. And this piece of information is interjected where you feel necessary, not imputed on any subject where it would stand out alone and leave people questioning 'why she had to put there in there? Does she think she all that 'cus she light?' I also don't get the impression that you think you are better/superior because you are light enough to pass. You seem to be struggling to find out who you are or can identify with just a little... something a little beyond being 'mixed' and 'light skin/nearly white.'

    However, you should know that yes, being light enough to pass for white or near white will endow you with some forms of light/white skin privilege. That's just the fact of the matter that is there and will not go away (yet). This is not new and really isn't something you can control... how others will treat you because your skin color... but do note injustices about such and you may want to speak up or grievance any discrimination if you can. For instance, whites who feel comfortable to say racial joke around you, not considering that you may indeed be 'black' (in my book), then you may want to note you find such things offensive because you have a black father or close black relatives. If you notice like rental discrimination that some people may not want to rent to darker skinned folks but they rented to you - that might be something you grievance. You are not obligated to do any of this, but it would be nice. No matter the color, or even the race, fighting racism and white surpremacy is something we should all be aware of and do something about if it is in our means to do so.


    My question remains that was put to Nameless and now you - how can a black person 'pretend' to be black?

    Why is your actual skin color a disadvantage here?
    Because you partake of white or light skin privilege?
    Because you don't identify or can't relate to being black?
    What is black and blackness to you?
     
  4. StefiA

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    @medusanegrita

    "However, you should know that yes, being light enough to pass for white or near white will endow you with some forms of light/white skin privilege. That's just the fact of the matter that is there and will not go away (yet). This is not new and really isn't something you can control... how others will treat you because your skin color... but do note injustices about such and you may want to speak up or grievance any discrimination if you can. For instance, whites who feel comfortable to say racial joke around you, not considering that you may indeed be 'black' (in my book), then you may want to note you find such things offensive because you have a black father or close black relatives. If you notice like rental discrimination that some people may not want to rent to darker skinned folks but they rented to you - that might be something you grievance. You are not obligated to do any of this, but it would be nice. No matter the color, or even the race, fighting racism and white surpremacy is something we should all be aware of and do something about if it is in our means to do so"

    Was just going to comment re a couple of the things that came up in that other thread by copying acroos some things I'd said before - the first is a comment I posted on a board about a YouTube video I'd watched and the second is part of a PM conversation I was having with a mixed girl in the States

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9evkxEdfocY

    An interesting story, especially to me. My black ancestry is much more recent than Maurice's - I'm a quadroon, but able to pass for white - in fact able is the wrong word really - basically white people just assume I'm white or light latina and I get treated that way by them - so I do get to overhear some things in conversations that they probably wouldn't say in front of someone who looked black and its interesting to see their reaction when I tell them I'm not white. Like him I do identify as non-white but prefer biracial or mixed to black / African American. It's kinda strange coming from a family of darker people who wouldn't pass for white - I do tend to tell people soon after meeting them that I'm mixed, but that doesn't stop people judging me as white when they meet me for the first time, but that isn't something I appreciate - not much I can do about that though unless I carry a big sign around saying 'Hey I'm not really white, so stop being so nice to me'.

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    Originally Posted by StefiA
    I know what you mean cause friends of mine get the same thing, but that sorta situation wasn't what I was meaning really - what I was meaning was like what happened this afternoon when I was in a mall and overheard two guys talking about the black couple who were talking to an assistant and they were saying like 'these f*cking ****** can't even talk proper English' and I felt like saying something about them being racist, but I was too scared in case one of them might hit me

    Originally Posted by XXXXXX
    Yes it was a good idea for you to not say anything. Wow

    Originally Posted by StefiA
    Yeah, exactly - that's what I meant by 'my safety switch' - I always feel sorta bad not doing/saying something in those situations, not sticking up for darker folk who don't have the advantage I can use if I want - but in my head I know that being a lightly built girl I just can't go in guns blazing the same as if I was like some 200lb guy.
     
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    Be interesting if the broad range that is allowed for blackness, was reverse and the same was allowed for whiteness; and instead of passing for whiteness... one would be passing for blackness instead. And if you too light, hair to straight.... there was no way you could be black and you would not be claimed.... because then you would be tainting black blood with whiteness and we have to have a way to keep blackness pure. If your phenotype did not fit into blackness... then you were white, not black.

    Is't that currently how it is for whiteness? But I guess then everything would have to be reverse maybe. Maybe we would need a system of black surpremacy and domination.


    Funny thang is.... some 'white' black people are already pretty much rejected out of the black community in this day and age. You marry somebody black, and they say you're in IR.... and you're black yourself.

    Well I passed my paper bag test... and I knows who I is.
     
  6. StefiA

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    @medusanegrita

    Now for the second bit to answer what you wrote here....
    Why is your actual skin color a disadvantage here?
    Because you partake of white or light skin privilege?
    Because you don't identify or can't relate to being black?
    What is black and blackness to you?


    Because no matter what I ever do in life I will always be seen first by my color - if I screw up or say something inappropriate people will just assume its because I'm really just white after all and that I'm trying to be all superior or on some secret mission to screw things up. Because in my life here in the real world I don't think anyone will ever actually accept me as anything else than some snow bunny - with the exception being when I'm actually with my father or one of my sisters - nobody would ever take me seriously as an African American even in America, let alone here. Because apart from black music I never had a black upbringing or got told much about AA history or learnt to speak the same way black folk do. I may still make it to LA next year, but how are black folk going to react to someone who looks like me, who sounds like some English middle-class girl claiming in any way to be part of their group or culture - they're just going to have a laughing fit at the dumb wigger white girl. Now I honestly believe if I looked like my sisters that wouldn't be the case - they could 'pass' for AA so long as they kept their mouths closed and even then people would just think of them as maybe English black folk.

    To me to be black you have got to look at least a bit black, some people do say they can see a little mix in my features, but I've only ever got that said to me by white folk - its just too little I think for black folk to notice - just too much glare from the color maybe. Then in addition you need to have a black culture, to know stuff about black history, food, people etc etc - and I'm just way lacking there too

    My honest opinion is that black folk might have things tough, very tough in many cases (though there's probably middle-class black folk living lives not much different to mine) - but the one great advantage you have is that you know who you are - me? apart from human, what can I actually claim to be - for the reasons above I can't claim to be black, I honestly feel it would be insulting to black folk for me to do that - I can't claim to be white either cause unless I lie about my family to white folk I'm not white - that one drop rule doesn't work in reverse
     
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    appearances can be deceiving because in the realm of knowledge of the "illusion" and the manipulation of light things appear as the "color" they actually reject

    for example, a lemon appears yellow because it actually rejects the color yellow

    no one's skin is actually "black" or "white", all formed elements are combinations of acceptance and rejection which is a cause for balance

    i don't identify with being black

    i am black

    i don't have to prove to anyone that i am that which i say that i am

    black is the State of eternity, meaning eternal being

    i'm everything the world rejects and this has been the ultimate blessing in my experience

    so i keep my "identity" open because GOD is the driver of this vehicle, and with that comes my protection

    I am Love unto myself, and Law unto myself, and it is the condition that I accept because I desire GOD, and when you are aware from this place (within yourself) things respond to you and not the other way around

    I reject just enough to maintain my connection
    and I accept just enough to maintain my awareness

    I govern myself, and am influenced by my black experience, but GOD told me not to suffer in it, and I don't and won't

    the only thing I partake in is GOD's truth, as realized thru my own (I)

    maybe this is not the response that is acceptable to the "I want a hook up" attitude, but but justice, peace, and love can in no way be biased, or it is in justice toward that which created me to be, myself

    One Love