Black Spirituality Religion : Who are the choosen people?

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  1. BaduX

    BaduX Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Do you think that black people were the choosen people, the original Hebrew Jews?
     
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    I'm not sure....well, that's not what I have been taught....but a majority of what I've been taught has been turned on its head....

    ....but who else has been taking captive and disperesed throughout the "four corners of the earth"...???...

    ...who else has been enslaved for 400 years...???...I've always been told that that prophecy was fullfilled by the Ancient Hebrews while in Kemet (Egypt)....yes, they were in Kemet 430 years, but they were only enslaved for about half that time.....
     
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    So I believe that we were the original. But does anyone think that the Jesus practiced a form of Islam?
     
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    So what do you all believe about the Jews? A people also dispersed for over 400 years, who are also descendents of Abraham, who are now coming together as stated in Ezekial 28:25, Ezekial 11:17. How do they fit in the picture if we are the original?
     
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    DreamFunk Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    What do you mean by this?

    A majority (90% ???) of "Jews" are not actually descendents of Abraham....they are descendents of the Khazras, who were a Turkic tribe that converted to Judism around 740 AD....Have you every wondered why Jews look so much like Turks...???...This is why....

    Check out this book:
    The Thirteenth Tribe
    ...its also at Amazon.com
     
  6. goraddy

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    It depends on how u define "Hebrew"...

    Who did "God" make first? the evidence shows that black people were here first.

    As for the "original" Hebrews - this is a complex situation. The was oppression and slavery in Ancient Kemet a couple of times.

    A) When the "Hyksos" or Asiatics enslaved adn raised hell in Kemet. However,they couldn't take over Upper Kemet. So if one looks at this, they could say that blk people are the "Hebrews" of the bible.

    B) After the Hyksos were kicked out - the remaining people were not treated well. Especially during the reign of Ramses II. The Hyksos orginate from Turkey and close to the home of the modern day "Jews" - Ashenaz. So one could say that blk ppl are not the Hebrews of the bible.

    They have dug out all the graves around the pyramids and other significant structures and can't find proof of a Kemetic Pharoah enslaving any foreigners. But they do have records of a kemetic Pharoah(s) roughing up those foreigners who causes so much damage to them.

    Also remember, that historically and biblically - Joshua was told to kick out the Canaanites out of Canaan. The bible tells u that Canaan belonged to the Black Man - HAM. So if u define Hebrews as the native people of the land of IS-RA-EL ; u could make a case that the Hebrews are black.

    but based on the bible's Exodus' story - we are not the hebrews. the story has been corrupted.

    Peace
     
  7. soul_doctor73

    soul_doctor73 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    I wrote this in reply to a question on a different board. I believe the subject is suitable to address the question posed here.

    The history of our ancestry shows the prosperity we once enjoyed as a people. Now we have nothing but a semblance of it. The 'curse' you speak of that passed to the Canaanites is something of an irrelevant point. Moses explained to the Children of Israel the 'blessings and the curses' of the Covenant with their Lord God. After the descendants of the Israelites would stray from God, Moses prophesied what would come upon them as the curses. The 28th chapter of Deuteronomy covers both the blessings and curses in detail.

    What the curses reveal is the horror of our slave history. How we got here, pretty much who was responsible as the ‘eagle’, how we would fare right up until then end, after they dispersed to the for corners of the world, how they are gathered again and taken to the lands of their Forefathers. The Roman Canon teaches that Jesus fulfilled that prophecy, but the prophecy is specific and literal, and research reveals the lie.

    The times we find ourselves in reveal the truth. The prophecy foretells how Israel will be scattered to every nation, and be seen as a byword, a proverb, and a shaking of the head. Everywhere you look you find blacks among the nations, under foreign rule. In African the situation is worse, because the land is marked with the disobedience of Israel, the wealth belongs to foreign nations, and the power rests in foreign hands. Just as God swore it would. There is no single ‘united’ nation of blacks. There are many black ‘nations’, but they are only relatively modest in terms of world influence. None of them recognize the God of Israel as their own.

    But there are those who are aware of their heritage, aware of the prophecy, and they recognize themselves as Children of Israel. They believe God, the Lord of Israel. Some of these children have fallen to worshiping false gods since our ancestors first turned away from the Lord God of Israel, maintaining the curses of the covenant that currently plague us. We are suffering the punishments of former generations of ancestors. Four hundred years since our ancestors first offended God. Four hundred years since we have been enslaved to our enemies. God declared by the Prophets of the Old Testament how his punishments are meted out. But the New Testament has confused them.

    Why blacks don’t accept the Old Testament as a people? They have no idea that they are supposed to. Christianity has blinded them. As you note, blacks are the majority of Christians, and all of them read the New Testament as doctrine have forgotten the curse.

    Think about it, we have been dispersed to all the nations, most by slavery. Africa is ravaged by poverty and still under the influence of those who first subjugated her. Blacks are the exploited minority of every nation they live in, only in Africa are they the majority and still suffer at the hands of other nations. It was only a matter of time before someone would take notice and Markus Garvey did, after which instead of turning back to the Holy One of Israel, they turn to Ras Tafari or Jesus, and worship them instead.

    The hereditary curse of Canaan is not the curse of the Covenant of Israel. The Twelve Tribes of Israel were scattered long, long ago. When the Temple of God was destroyed by the Romans in 70 ad, what little remained of Judah and Benjamin were scattered into oblivion. The curse of Canaan might pass to those who call themselves ‘Jews’. In modern times, the ‘Jews’ encompass a religion and a general line of descendants from the line of Jacob. It doesn’t account for the Jews of the fourth tribe of Judah. Or the fact that the Israel *and* Judah are to be gathered from all corners of the world. ‘Israel’ was the Ten Tribes who split from Judah and Benjamin after Solomon’s death, and his son Rehoboam’s ascension to the throne. The ten tribes disappear into the nations in slavery soon after that, and only Judah, together with Benjamin, remain as a nation. The Prophets continued to refer to Israel, the remain ten tribes, along with Judah in prophecy so they are destined to be gathered from the dispersion along with the ‘Jews’ scattered after the Revolt in 70 ad.

    During Solomon’s reign, he born a son from the Ethiopian Queen Makeda, known as the Queen of Sheba in the Old testament. The Kebra Nagast relates the events that took place during the 6 months the Queen of Sheba stayed in Israel. When the KJ bible was being translated, it was to be included, but a last minute ‘decision’ by the clergy left this part of Israelite history in the dark.

    As certain as God lives, there are no coincidences. Things don’t just ‘happen’, for no apparent reason. The Ark of the Covenant ends up in Ethiopia with the firstborn nobles of Israel, who were pledged to Solomon’s son Menyelek, whom he proclaimed king of Ethiopia. The blessings and the curses of the Covenant with the Holy One of Israel was extended to Menyelek and Ethiopia in the lifetime of Solomon.

    The blessings have long ago expired, and the curses continue to rage since we turned to false gods. The land is marked, the people are marked, and our generation is marked.
    God has not forgotten Israel, though Israel has forgotten herself.
     
  8. BaduX

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    they found a skeleton of an african head...sayin that blacks may have been somewhat the first people...
     
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    Everyone should read the 13th Tribe as posted by DreamFunk. It will OPEN YOUR MIND!
     
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    Thank you for this!....It was relevant and eloquently stated! :toast:


    I don't exactly agree with it all; but I like where you're comin' from! :)