Black People : White Anthropologists Say they were Here Before the Indians

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  1. river

    river Watch Her Flow MEMBER

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    Now I HAVE heard everything. These supposed to be respectable anthropologist are reaching for straws in their pathetic attempt to absolve themselves from their cosmic debt
    http://www.trussel.com/prehist/news168.htm

    !!!Camped on an ice island to wait out an Atlantic storm??!!!POLEEEEEEEEEEASE.

    Now let's see when did the Native Americans arrive here and when did the Europeans arrive inn Europe
    http://www.native-languages.org/iaq8.htm

    If Europeans came here 18,000 years ago they would have had to come here before they went to Europe so where did they come from? Let's see, we know all civilization began in Africa. So the Europeans left Africa and came to the Americas before they went to Europe. But a funny thing happened on the way to the Americas. Somewhere on the Atlantic ocean they lost their color. Hmm maybe trying to cross the ocean in a tiny boat made of animal skins will do that to you.
     
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    River, correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding of the article is, not that Europeans were the first to inhabit America. The article is saying that, Europeans had colonized America long before Christopher Columbus (another white man) set out on his voyage to America. In other words the article is saying that Christopher was not the first white man to so call "discover" America.

    "LONDON — Stone Age Europeans were the first trans-Atlantic sailors. Columbus and the Vikings were mere ocean-crossing latecomers, according to a leading American anthropologist. Dennis Stanford, of the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, says Neolithic fishermen and hunters sailed the Atlantic in tiny boats made of animal skins 18,000 years ago and colonized the eastern United States."


    Also, it looks like the person who wrote this article is making an arugement that just as Asians colonized ancient American, Europeans also played a colonizing role in ancient America as well. It's almost as if the author of the article is presenting a who colonized America first arguement, between Asians and ancient Europeans and Christopher Columbus.


    "The theory that prehistoric Europeans colonized America was first put forward in the 1950s by archaeologist Frank Hibben, but was discredited by evidence supporting the notion the continent was populated 20,000 to 15,000 years ago by Asian migrants who walked across the land bridge then linking Siberia with Alaska, and who then trekked south through the continent.

    Stanford does not disagree Asian folk colonized ancient America, but argues current genetic and archaeological evidence shows an influx of Europeans must also have taken place. The prime candidates for these migrants are the Solutrean people who lived in Spain 23,000 to 18,000 years ago and later colonized parts of France and Ireland."





    Not only that, I think the title of the article says it all...

    "Evidence grows N. America's first colonizers were European"



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  3. Bootzey

    Bootzey Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    They lied.

    The colored or Caucasian man is the devil (1:14). The devil is the father of lies (John 8:44).
     
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    stone age white americans my @ss...
    native americans have caucasian traits? really?
    this is nothing but illogical propaganda....

    one love
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    A Fool will tell you Anything that is Foolish*

    MA`AT HOTEP

    It is said by our great wise men and women..."That a Fool is a person who "Never" changes...but a wise man and woman...changes often".

    We know today that the "Fools" who have oppressed Us have...never changed. We have been the ones who have 'Changed'! All of the Crazy-Laws that they have come up with over the centuries are still on their "Racist-Books"...but we will not allow them to enforce them on us today...even though they would certainly love to. So...all they do is try and re-arrange their racist thinking and come at us from a different direction until we discover that and stop them again. We are the ones who make 'Change'!

    What is a fool? A fool is one who speaks with out knowledge of what he / she is saying. A fool is one who only repeats what another fool has said with no understanding of anything. A fool is a person who don't know and don't want to know because they are comfortable with the "Rut / Box" they are in and have sold their Spirituality for a mind controlling "Religion" that tells them how to go "Sleep-Walking".

    A fool will go to war as soon as what he / she said is challenged by any who don't agree with their "Ignorance". Only a fool uses "Fear and Intimidation" to make them self appear invincible and superior to every one else. A fool is one who only is concerned with pleasing his or her own pleasures at the expense of all else...even though it will cause their own self destruction in the end.

    A fool is a person who does not learn from their own mistakes and "Errors"! Who needs a fool? The white race has no cultural history what so ever that they did not steal from the original black people of the "Earth"...this is "Fact"!
    All of them will lie at the drop of a hat for no reason...as long as it suits their racist / insane purpose to maintain control and protect the "System of White Supremacy" from its inevitable...extinction!!


    Children of the black so-called African,...Know that the so-called "White Race" has only "Stolen Your Black Cultural Legacy" from you and then put them self in your place in history but in reality...they have nothing what so ever to offer "Us"...even unto this vary day and time.

    We must know that a fool in charge will get people killed...as we have witnessed. A fool teaches others to be fools like them self. Let the fools say what they will...but that does not mean that we have to listen to them speaking in crazy "Tungs"...that even they...don't understand !!

    Ase`
     
  6. river

    river Watch Her Flow MEMBER

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    Yes sista Astrology,

    This is another episode in the competition between Asia and Euromerica.

    Notice how the article has everybody coming out of Asia (the so called Orient) with no reference to Africa at all.

    I wonder why they suddenly want to be the first when they have never had any respect for the first. "He who laughs last laughs best."

    Although they left us out of this article I know we are in their designs somewhere.
     
  7. Astrologer4U

    Astrologer4U Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Of course they left us out...LOL Like they really had anything to do with the Olmec Ancient ruins...



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    Mayan Pyramid

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    Here are some pyramids in Asia as well


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    pyramid in china

    http://www.crystalinks.com/pyrchinastep.jpg



    I could go on and on about where pyramids and colossal heads are located but I would never be ever to locate pyramids or great colossal heads in Europe. It's no coincidence that those Europeans, who got into their boats made of "animal skins", didn't bother to build up any pyramids in Europe, before they left.


    Here is the thing though, we know that they leave us out of His Story, we been knowing this for a very long time. It is our job to counteract their lies. We need to keep producing books and getting our story out there.



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  8. Blackbird

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    The assumption that Caucasoids arrived in the Western Hemisphere before or at around the same time as First Nation people is not a new one. There was a group in the Newfoundland and Nova Scotia area, presently extinct, that Europeans said were European. This group was called the Beothucks. Also another group called Mandan was supposedly the descendents of a Welsh king called Madoc. The Mandans live currently, for the most part, on or around Fort Berthold reservation in North Dakota with the Hidatsa and Arikara peoples. But these cunning white folks state that the Mandan have a lighter skin and hair color on average than their surrounding neighbors and their language, before it was formally classified as Siouan, was believed to contain residuals and cognates of the Welsh language.

    Even the Olmecs that many Afrocentrists like to reference were not safe from classification as white folks. Actually, a seminal work that put many Afrocentrists on the possible Black origins of the Olmecs also pointed to a Greek or white Phoenician influence that brought with them enslaved Africans or Hellenized Africans.

    As a Black man with strong native roots I take with a grain of salt the claims of both Eurocentrists and Afrocentrists. There has been a long history to appropriate for other groups what may have been simply a native Indian history. This message was brought to you by Paruasemana (Ten Bears) via Tuhwi (Raven aka the Blackbird).
     
  9. Mad Skillz

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    I disagree with your use of the word "Afrocentric". Afrocentrism is a mature social science. Afrocentricism did not begin recently, but this field of study is over 200 years old and has been well researched during this period unlike Eurocentrism. To study the history of Blacks WORLDWIDE Afrocentric scholars have had to master many languages.

    The book "Unexpected Faces in Ancient America" by Alexander Wuthenau reveals artifacts and verifiable evidence of a black presence in the Americas. Wuthenau is one of a few objectionable whites who have written about this subject, thus does not make him Afrocentric. In Wathenau's book he details anthropologists who present solid evidence of petrogyphs in Mexico with an African connection. Wuthenau cites in his book Smithsonian scholars who believe West Africans may have traded with and influenced (note: I said influenced not discovered) various Indian tribes in the Americas who came from West Africa during the reign of Emperor Abukari II.

    One must take into consideration African blacks are older than any other group of people - not by a few thousand years but TENS OF THOUSANDS of years. Thus, it's completely logical to believe that the oldest race of people on the face of the earth voyaged to the Americas before other people evolved, migrated and adapted to their current geographical environment. Moreover, in regard to the article which is poorly written and fails to cite any references to back up it's theories, Europe was the last continent to be inhabited by homo sapiens. Anthropologist believe contemporary whites, or people with pale skin from Europe, are relatively new which are no older than 10-18 thousand years old, liberally. If accurate this contradicts and debunks this article of the first Americans being white. Do you not see how desperate white folk can be? In all honesty scientist truly don't know when or where white people came into existence which is why you have pseudo "scholars" artificially placing the origins of Caucasians everywhere from Africa, India, and everywhere in between while having whites "discover" unexplored lands immediately out of new born infancy. This is a ruse whites have exploited to brainwash people to believe the world begins and ends with them. IT DOES NOT!

    Yes, people should take this article with a grain of salt. But lumping Afrocentrism with Eurocentrism and dismissing any possible presence of blacks in the Americas in light of the evidence that is available today is not excusable. The late great Dr Ivan Van Sertima is just one of a dozen or so scholars who have written extensively about the black presence in the Americas. I'm confident you have read his books, BlackBird. Perhaps if you read his material once again and examine how Dr Van Sertima arrived at his conclusions your negative opinion of Afrocentrism may change.

    Peace!
     
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    I can understand your position. A few years back, I would have been a willing advocate, but I have not seen anything conclusive enough to keep me solid with the Black-Olmec claim.

    I wanted to add that Professor von Wuthenau, whose work I read about 12 years ago, also saw Japanese and "Aryan" features on the Olmec heads and concluded that the "New World" was a intersection of Old World races in the pre-Columbian age. So his overall perspective was definitely not Afro-centric because he saw more than an African presence in the New World.

    I was privy to read Dr. van Sertima's (R.I.P.) works and anthologies when I worked three years at a local Black book store and facilitated African History study groups there. I was a big fan and still am; it was him, along with Dr. Marimba Ani and Jan Carew, that piqued my interest in anthropology, both physical and cultural.

    Lately, eventhough in the early 90's I was fervent disciple of it, I have come to see Afrocentrism as an ideology out of control and unchecked, virulent in its footprint as Eurocentrism is. It has become imperialistic, claiming for itself every greatness any civilization of mankind has ever accomplished. Hey you - yellow man - your China would not have been it were not for the all-Black Shang dynasty. Yo ho - red man - you would been still throwing atlatls if the Nubians and Mande West Africans didn't come to civilize y'all Mongolians. See the trend....

    Tuhwi (The Raven aka Blackbird)
     
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