Black Muslims : Where is Allah

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    "He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. How can He have children when He has no wife? He created all things and He is the All-Knower of everything."
    Surah 6 -ayat 101


    "If someone says, 'Where is Allâh' The answer for him is that Allâh existed when there was no 'where,' no creation, nothing! And He is the Creator of everything!" This is confirmed as the true position of the Imâm by al-Tahâwî's article in his "Exposition of the Doctrine of Ahl al-Sunna wal-Jamâ'a" that "This is the religion of the Muslims. Anyone that does not guard himself against negation [of the Divine Attributes] or likening [Allâh to something else], has gone astray and missed transcendence. For our Lord - Glorified and Exalted! - is only described in terms of oneness and absolute singularity. No creation is in any way whatsoever like Him. He is beyond having limits placed on Him, or having boundaries, or having parts, limbs, or organs! Nor is He contained by the six directions as all created things are."
     
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    The Mighty Allah

    An explanation of the Islamic concept of God is given under the six beliefs. This portion of the site will focus on the greatness of Allah (God). Firstly, it needs to be understood that Allah Himself, is the One being capable of doing justice to His Greatness. We, as humans, are incapable of praising Allah as He deserves to be praised. His Greatness is beyond our words and beyond the scope of our imagination and comprehension.
    Allah revealed in the Quran that, “And if whatever trees upon the earth were pens and the sea (was ink), replenished thereafter by seven (more) seas, the words of Allah would not be exhausted. Indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise.” [Luqman, 31:27]
    This verse was further explained by Ar-Rabee’ ibn Anas when he said, “The parable of the knowledge of all of mankind, in comparison to the knowledge of Allah, is that of a drop of water in comparison to all of the oceans.
    Ibn al-Qayyim described Allah’s greatness by saying the following, “He governs the affairs of the various kingdoms and He commands and forbids, creates, sustains, gives death, gives life, gives power, strips power (to and from whom He wills) and alternates the night and day.
    So, what’s the conclusion? Allah is The Supreme Being. Without his permission and consent, neither leaf nor raindrop can fall; no wind can blow and no river can flow. His Infinite Knowledge encompasses everything, and with Him, no secret is a secret. Nothing can escape His Wisdom and Intelligence. His Power to give and take is Limitless. His Mercy and Forgiveness know no bounds, and his Wrath and Anger is Unmatched, but Just and Fair.

    http://sunislam.org.uk/islam/the-mighty-allah/
     
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    "We, as humans, are incapable of praising Allah as He deserves to be praised. His Greatness is beyond our words and beyond the scope of our imagination and comprehension".

    :thinking: I think you are right.
     
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    Now and again human beings are prompted to ask themselves some of life’s truly profound questions. In the quiet darkness of the night, when far off stars twinkle in the vast, majestic sky, or in the cold, hard, light of day when life rushes past like a speeding train, people of all colours, races and creeds wonder about the meaning of their existence. Why are we here? What does this all mean? Is this all there is?

    On magnificent days filled with sunshine and iridescent blue skies, people turn their faces towards the sun and contemplate its beauty. In the deepest winter or the wildest storm, they ponder the strength inherent in the forces of nature. Somewhere in the deep recesses of the mind, the concept of God arises. The wonders of creation are a call to the heart and the soul. The gentle touch of a snowflake, the smell of freshly cut lawn, the soft patter of raindrops and fierce wind of a hurricane are all reminders that this world is full of wonder.

    When pain and sadness threaten to engulf us, human beings are again prompted to contemplate the meaning of life. In the midst of suffering and grief, the concept of God arises. Even those who would consider themselves far from religion or spiritual belief find themselves looking skywards and pleading for help. When the heart constricts and fear swamps us, we turn helplessly towards some sort of higher power. The concept of a God then becomes real and meaningful.

    In the midst of pleading and bargaining, the sheer vastness of the universe is laid bare. The reality of life is filled with awe and wonder. It is a rollercoaster ride. There are moments of great joy, and periods of immense sadness. Life can be long and monotonous or it can be carefree. As God arises and His majesty is clear, more questions begin to take shape. One question that inevitably comes to mind is – where is God?

    Around the world and down through the ages people have struggled to come to terms with the question of where God is. The human inclination is to search for God. The ancient Babylonians and Egyptians built lofty towers in their search for God. The Persians looked for Him in fire. Still other, such as the indigenous people of North America and the Celtic people looked for God in the glorious signs of nature around them. Buddhists find God in themselves, and in the Hindu religion, God is believed to be in every place and in everything.

    The quest for God can be confusing. When posing the question where is God, the resulting answers can also be confusing. God is everywhere. God is in your heart. God is where goodness and beauty exist. What happens however, when your heart is empty and your surroundings are dismal, dirty, and ugly? Does God cease to exist? No! Of course not! Amidst this confusion, the Islamic concept of God is a beacon of light for those stumbling in the darkness.

    What Muslims believe about God is clear-cut and simple. They do not believe that God is everywhere; they believe that God is above the heavens. The human need to turn our faces towards the sky in times of trouble and strife is an inherent answer to the question, where is God? God tells us in the Quran that He is the Most High (Quran 2:255) and that He is above all His Creation.

    “He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days and then rose over the Throne (in a manner that suits His Majesty). He knows what goes into the earth and what comes forth from it, what descends from the heaven and what ascends thereto. And He is with you (by His Knowledge) wheresoever you may be. And God is the All-Seer of what you do.” (Quran 57:4)

    Prophet Muhammad was known to point towards the sky when referring to God. When making supplication to God he raised his hands towards the heavens. During his Farewell sermon, Prophet Muhammad asked the people, “Have I not conveyed the message?” and they said, “Yes!” He asked again, “Have I not conveyed the message?” and they said, “Yes!” He asked a third time, “Have I not conveyed the message?” and they said “Yes!” Each time, he said, “O God, bear witness!” - at the same time pointing up to the sky and then at the people.[1]

    God is above the heavens, above His creation. This however does not mean that He is contained by any sort of physical dimensions. God is close, very close, to those who believe in Him and He answers their every call. God knows all of our secrets, dreams, and wishes, nothing is hidden from Him. God is with His creation by His knowledge and power. God is the Creator and the Sustainer. Nothing comes into existence except by His will.

    When Muslims marvel at the wonders of the universe they are secure in the knowledge that God, the Most High, is above the heavens, and comforted by the fact that He is with them in all their affairs. When a Muslim is struck by loss or grief, he does not question God’s wisdom, or ask the question, ‘where was God when I was sad, or grieving or suffering?’ Humankind was created to worship God, (Quran 56:51) and God said many times that trials and tribulations would be part of our life experience.

    “And He it is Who has created the heavens and the earth in six Days ...that He might try you, which of you is the best in deeds.” (Quran 11:7)

    In their darkest night, or their darkest hour humankind instinctively looks towards the sky. When their hearts beat heavily and fear threatens to overwhelm them, people turn to God. They raise their hands and beg for mercy, forgiveness, or kindness, and God responds; For He is the Most Merciful, the Most Forgiving and the Most Kind. God is distinct and separate from His creation, and there is nothing like Him. He is All Hearing and All seeing. (Quran 42:11) Hence when we ask the question where is God, the answer is undoubtedly, He is above the heavens and above all His creation. We also say that He is not in need of any of His creation and all of creation needs Him..






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    “Life’s greatest tragedy is to lose God and not to miss him.”


    --F.W. Norwood

    Atheists might assert that they don’t acknowledge the existence of God, but the view of some Christians and all Muslims is that at some level even the confirmed Atheist affirms God’s presence. The innate but neglected awareness of God typically surfaces in Atheist consciousness only in times of severe stress, as exemplified by the World War II quote “There are no Atheists in a fox-hole.”[1]

    Undeniably there are times -- whether during the agonizing days of a lingering illness, the seemingly eternal moments of a violent and humiliating mugging, or the split second of anticipating the impact of an imminent car crash -- when all mankind recognize the reality of human fragility and the lack of human control over destiny. Who does a person beseech for help in such circumstances other than The Creator? Such moments of desperation should remind every person, from the religious scholar to the professed Atheist, of the dependence of mankind upon a reality far greater than our own meager human selves. A reality far greater in knowledge, power, will, majesty and glory.

    In such moments of distress, when all human efforts have failed and no element of material existence can be foreseen to provide comfort or rescue, Whom else will a person instinctively call upon? In such moments of trial, how many stress-induced appeals are made to God, complete with promises of lifelong fidelity? Yet, how few are kept?

    No doubt, the day of greatest affliction will be the Day of Judgement, and a person would be unfortunate to be in the position of acknowledging the existence of God for the first time on that day. The English poet, Elizabeth Barrett Browning, spoke of the irony of the distressed human appeal in The Cry of the Human:

    “And lips say “God be pitiful,”

    Who ne’er said, “God be praised.”

    The thoughtful Atheist, full of skepticism but fearful of the possibility of the existence of God and a Day of Judgement, may wish to consider the ‘prayer of the skeptic,’ as follows:

    “O Lord--if there is a Lord,

    Save my soul--if I have a soul.”[2]

    In the face of skepticism blocking belief, how can a person go wrong with the above prayer? Should Atheists remain upon disbelief, they will be no worse off than before; should belief follow a sincere appeal, Thomas Jefferson had the following to say:

    “If you find reason to believe there is a God, a consciousness that you are acting under His eye, and that He approves you, will be a vast additional incitement; if that there be a future state, the hope of a happy existence in that increases the appetite to deserve it…”[3]

    The suggestion can be made that if an individual doesn’t see the evidence of God in the magnificence of His creation, they would be well advised to take another look. As Francis Bacon is noted to have commented, “I had rather believe all the fables in the legend, and the Talmud, and the alcoran (i.e. the Quran), than that this universal frame is without a mind.”[4] He went on to comment, “God never wrought miracle to convince atheism, because his ordinary works convince it.”[5] Worthy of contemplation is the fact that even the lowest elements of God’s creation, though perhaps ordinary works in His terms, are miracles in ours. Take the example of as tiny an animal as a spider. Does anybody really believe that such an extraordinarily intricate creature evolved from primordial soup? Just one of these little miracles can produce up to seven different kinds of silk, some as thin as the wavelength of visible light, but stronger than steel. Silks range from the elastic, sticky strands for entrapment to the non-adhesive drag-lines and frame threads, to the silk for wrapping prey, making the egg sac, etc. The spider can, on demand, not only manufacture its personal choice of the seven silks, but reabsorb, breakdown and remanufacture--self-recycling from the component elements. And this is only one small facet of the miracle of the spider.

    And yet, mankind elevates itself to the heights of arrogance. A moment’s reflection should incline human hearts to humility. Look at a building and a person thinks of the architect, at a sculpture and a person instantly comprehends an artist. But examine the elegant intricacies of creation, from the complexity and balance of nuclear particle physics to the uncharted vastness of space, and a person conceives of…nothing? Surrounded by a world of synchronous complexities, we as mankind cannot even assemble the wing of a gnat. And yet the entire World and all the Universe exists in a state of perfect orchestration as a product of random accidents which molded cosmic chaos into balanced perfection? Some vote chance, others, creation




     
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    Peace to all and may Benevolence be your guide...
    All gratitude and praise is for The Most High, the provider of life and intellect. The Most High is neither a Person, Place or Thing and is beyond any form of comprehension.
    This knowledge is not influenced by the view of a Christian, Muslim or Israelite, nor is this knowledge influenced by any secret society, cult or denomination. This knowledge is influenced by All of the Scriptures and related literature COMBINED, ABSENT of Religion.
    Question; What is the difference between our Lifegiver and our Creator? Answer; Beyond 76Trillion years ago.
    THE MOST HIGH the provider of life and intellect, through thought processes designed and implemented the State of "NOTHINGNESS", which lasted Trillions of years based on our perception of time. Then designed and implemented the state of "SOMETHINGNESS" which is Darkness and the Mental state of exsistence (intellect or thought), within the state of darkness that existed Trillions of years, evolved Mental Entities named Ethereins. These mental entities are without form and are of pure energy with 720 degrees of Intellect, 360 degrees of Benevolence and 360 degrees of Malevolence, communicating through mental telepathy and other mental capabilities. All of this was prior to the beginning of light and the physical state of existence. THE MOST HIGH The provider of life and intellect , designed and implemented the original HYDROGEN Atom, which included LIGHT and ALL PHYSICAL MATTER. Then...as all of the scriptures combined reveal...the original HYDROGEN ATOM was placed amidst the state of "SOMETHINGNESS / DARKNESS". It took Trillions of years for the ORIGINAL HYDROGEN ATOM to reach it's ultimate stage of development...then exploded outward in every direction... THE CATACLYSM (Big Bang) which was the initial beginning of LIGHT AND ALL PHYSICAL MATTER THROUGHOUT THE UNIVERSE. THE CATACLYSM OCCURED 76 TRILLION YEARS AGO!...hurling great masses of gases into space in every direction, in the succeeding stages of development, further explosions and fragmentation's produced smaller bodies throughout the Universe. These like Trillions of other smaller bodies whirled at tremendous speeds and eventually began to settle in various places throughout the Universe, occording to the force that was behind their outward thrust.
    Life forms developed in the midst of these developing stages, Trillions of years before our solar system was completely developed! These heavenly bodies (galaxies) did not settle in a rigid manner, they continued to revolve at a slower rate, maintaining certain positions in relationship to each other, and these positions were based on the forces of gravity and attraction. One of the sparks that was hurled from an already burning mass (our sun), became our solar system of originally 10 planets, rotating around our burning mass (our sun) like electrons rotating around a nucleus...therefore this by no means was an accident. My Teacher Dr M.Z. York, taught from all of the scriptures and related literature COMBINED...The Bible, The Qur'an, The Raatib, The Book Of Light, The Egyptian Book Of The Dead, The Writings of Confucius, The Book of Arishkegal, The Akkadian Tablets, The Gilgamesh Epics, The Enuma Elish, Tablets Of Anzu, and the Sumer Tablets...that reveal in the beginning stages of the development of our solar system, other sparks or solar systems cooled Billions of years prior to our solar system's development. Therefore developing physically and intellectually Billions of years sooner. At this point it would be safe to say, we are on the TAIL END of existence and on the lowest level of Intelligent Thought.
    All seen and unseen derives from THE MOST HIGH THE PROVIDER OF LIFE AND INTELLECT, which stands to reason that ALL GRATITUDE AND PRAISE IS FOR THE MOST HIGH, It's from where ALL derives... Next Bulletin: What is the name of the MOST HIGH?... to be continued...
     
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    Peace Michael:

    This is the Islam Study Group. You may want to post in the Spirituality forum or another forum. Muslims follow the guidiance of the Quran and Sunnah of our beloved Prophet Muhammad [saws] of Arabia[who was sent to all mankind and is the last and final Prophet and Messenger] and not Dr. York. [I am very familiar with Dr. York and even knew one of his ex wives]. I will not post the negative info I have but there is no way I can support this man or his teachings.

    Also all [real and true] knowledge and wisdom comes from Allah.
     
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