Black People Politics : When it Comes to Politics, Are We More Racist Than We Think?

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  1. Keita Kenyatta

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    I found this article quite interesting just on the simple fact that "we as Black people" some how think that it was "our vote" that got Obama elected in 2004. The numerical facts reveal that the Afrakan vote only accounted for 1 percentage point in that election. Lets use logic here. If we as a people are only 13% of the population and then we deduct our people who are not of voting age, who can't vote due to be criminalized and who simply don't vote for whatever reason....how is it that we are so very very blind to think that the remaining numbers actually had an effect on the vote??? In other words, what was the other 87% doing and how does 13% of anything over ride 87% of anything??? WAKE UP !!!!

    People are usually reluctant to admit their real feelings in surveys, but there's no doubt that our experiences and our prejudices play a part in the way we vote. In order to figure out whether racial bias affected Barack Obama's results in the 2008 presidential election, Seth Stephens-Davidowitz, a doctoral candidate in economics at Harvard University, passed over easy-to-manipulate surveys and looked at data from another source: online searches.

    Related: My 3-year-old has race issues. Where did she learn to think that way?

    When most people are searching for information online, they're likely to be alone and less likely to censor their thoughts, he explains. "You may have typed things into Google that you would hesitate to admit in polite company," he writes in a New York Times article. "I certainly have. The majority of Americans have as well: We Google the word 'porn' more often than the word 'weather'."

    He chose a common racial insult that starts with "N" and looked for searches that used the singular and plural forms of the word. "The most common searches including the epithet… return websites with derogatory material about African-Americans," he writes in his study. "The top hits for the top racially charged searches are nearly all textbook examples of antilocution, a majority group's sharing stereotype-based jokes using coarse language outside a minority group's presence."

    That held true for searches from 2004 through 2007 (searches for "n**ga" led mostly to rap lyrics, which he disregarded for this study). "I used data from 2004 to 2007 because I wanted a measure not directly influenced by feelings toward Mr. Obama," he writes in the New York Times.

    But from 2008 on, he discovered, "Obama" was one of the most prevalent search terms in racially tinged online searches.

    Related: Obama's team suggests racism behind proposed Write ad campaign

    After gathering information on the racially charged search queries, Stephens-Davidowitz took a look at voting data from around the country and compared each area's 2008 results, when Obama was running for president, to voting results from 2004, when all of the candidates were white.

    Though many people believe that our first African-American president won the election thanks in part to increased turnout by African-American voters, Stephens-Davidowitz's research shows that those votes only added about 1 percentage point to Obama's totals. "In the general election, this effect was comparatively minor," he concludes. But in areas with high racial search rates, the fact that Obama is African American worked against him, sometimes significantly.

    "The results imply that, relative to the most racially

    http://shine.yahoo.com/work-money/comes-politics-more-racist-think-185600847.html
     
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    Excellent point.
     
  3. Keita Kenyatta

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    Here's the absolute truth to this post. Once we understand numbers as we should have from school, we will see that our measly numbers in this country don't mean ish as it regards the voting process. If we can ever get over this external truth, then maybe...just maybe we will begin to turn that energy into ourselves as a people instead of them as a people.
     
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    I know brother Info has a thread on the fraudulent voting process which enhances your point.

    The 2012 presidential election winner has been decided already. Mitt Romney is a bigger fool than Bush. His vice president selection will be interesting. This is no accident.

    If Obama "wins" I could see something happening which galvanizes the country towards his favor. Based on military actions again.

    President Mitt. If you don't know, he's the 21st century Ronald Reagan.
     
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    1. No, 'We, as black people', don't.
    For one, I don't share a brain with any of you people...sorry. *laugh*
    ...and I don't recall hearing any black person in my personal life saying, 'We got Obama elected'.
    Did someone on here just say that...or?
    But...if you do? That's your world...*shrug*
    You speak for yourself and the folks within your sphere...the goings-on in your neck of the woods, obviously.
    Keep it at that.

    2. It matters not to me, the racists of the world? "Oh, I hate n///ers!" Really...? *shrug*
    THAT is what you might call a 'personal problem'.
    If other black folks want to exert personal energy playing 'thought police' and getting all bent out of shape over crazy nonblacks? Hey - knock yourselves out. Personally, I can think of better ways to waste time....

    3. Black people didn't put Obama in office. The hispanics did... (Another media/politician-created 'voting bloc'.) Thought everyone knew that.


    4. I took the liberty of altering that quote to make it more correct. *laugh*
    ...Ref to my correction: It isn't a great shock considering the mass spoon-feeding that typically has to happen whenever new legislation is proposed. Back in, like, 2008-2009? I ran into so many people just railing about socialism and ridding the country of social programs...not realizing that medicare and social security (that they took part in and actually supported) were, in fact, types of 'social programs'.
    Then I had someone online (a Peter Schiff fan :rolleyes:) tell me that the govt's screwing it up by not allowing the country to operate on pure laissez-faire principles. <-- what?

    Anyway -- so, those who'd assume that black folks are racist for voting for Obama...aren't racist. Just ignorant.

    I'm not about to sit up here and crunch any numbers...or take this guy's word for it. The majority of 'everyone' doesn't vote... and this should be taken into acct before I figure out how relevant the 1% quote really is.

    ...but the truth is? I don't feel encouraged to do so.
    a. Voter turnout increased across the board...and the black vote did NOT represent the largest hike.
    b. Black folks voted for Obama en masse because he's a democrat. The Dems never rec'v less than 90% of the vote (and no - we aren't the only Dem constituency. The Jews are the second largest...actually. Like 70-80% of their voting pop votes for democrats)...AND if it were all about 'race/ethnicity'...? Everyone would be falling all over themselves about Alan Keys and Michael Steele...
    They're not. What does that tell everyone?
    c. The black community has been throwing been throwing white Dems in office for years. Common knowledge.

    I know that research is important and blah, blah, blah...but does he really need to conduct a long exhaustive study and a write a f'in' dissertation about Google searches to prove what common sense dictates...and what anyone who took a 'basic' 8-16 week Am Govt 1400 course SHOULD already know?

    Well - whatever....*shrug*
     
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    Brother Keita ... "more racist than we think" ... ??

    I've heard that Black Folk can't be racist ... as that requires power and control over another race.

    You're confusing me.

    Love You!

    :heart:

    Destee
     
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    I didn't write the headline of that article although I am guilty of keeping it as it was written. You are right...we can't be racist. However, if you read what I focused upon, you will see that it was in the numbers area regarding the idea that we incorrectly think that we got Pres. Obama elected when we did not. Our numbers mean nothing in the face of it all and would be better used to focus upon ourselves as opposed to an external reality that serves us no good.
     
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    If our numbers didn't mean anything there wouldn't be voter purges and suppression attempts. There wouldn't be so many think tanks dedicated to trying to get Black people to vote conservative. There wouldn't be so much investment by conservatives to get Black voters to support them through religious leadership.

    Here are some exit poll numbers:
    http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p1

    The majority of White people did not vote for Obama. It was younger white voters (especially college aged) along with Blacks, Hispanics, and other minorities (including Asians) that got him elected.
     
  9. Keita Kenyatta

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    Your link didn't work but it doesn't much matter because you're obviously missing some crucial information simply by virtue of you even thinking that "THE VOTING PROCESS IS SOME LEGIT ISH". One of the things we need to remember is that; you can't win a game you didn't create or don't control. I don't like playing devils advocate or any of that ish you be into. Either come straight with your ish when addressing me or not at all player.
     
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    Will you actually be addressing the numbers or the facts? I don't really give two squirts of piss about these attempts to make things personal, especially by the Messiah complex crew. Either get on topic with some facts, a good argument, or just don't bother.

    The link works. I'm not a babysitter, so I'm sure you can either figure out how to get it working or to get to the same data from another source that will provide you pretty much the same break down.

    The fact of the matter is that if the Black vote didn't matter there wouldn't be so many people in a rush to take it away. If you have a bone to pick with your options at the poll, that's fine. Plenty of people do. If you're making an argument that the Black vote is completely worthless, rich conservative obviously disagree.
     
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