Black Spirituality Religion : When did God get to be a man?

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    I love this site and my brothers here, so let me pose this question: When did God/Creator get to be a man/male ? Sure, according to the book of the dead we would take this to be true, since it is the oldest book in the world. But before there was even such a physical land called kemet/tawi/egypt/tamerry, (for our people have history of that region when there was nothing there but water), what was /is the oldest representation of what we now call God ? Since nothing in life is ONE sided, there was never a time when God existed without the Goddess.

    For the sake of this conversation we'll call it the masculine/feminine principle. Darkness was in the beginning and represented the feminine aspect. It was this aspect or principle that gave birth to the sun, the stars, the planets and all else...which takes us to "from the darkness came the light". Science has long postulated that the male was produced from a break off of the XX chromosome. Ours is XY with the remaining stem at the bottom missing that would have made it XX. For the Gods and Earths, X=24, which cancels out to 6, plus another X which cancels out to 6. 6+6=12, which cancels out to 3. In man, X=24 which cancels out to 6, and Y=25 which cancels out to 7. 7+6+13, which cancels out to 4. Only by adding the feminine number of 3 with the masculine number of 4 do we equal the number of God which is 7, therefore finding G to be the seventh letter of the alphabet.

    What need to be checked out is the war or conflict that the patriarchy had with the matriarchy before there was even a first dynasty in Kemet...and to know what the results were. This of course would take us back to the civilization of Anu, what later became Kush/Abysinnia/Ethiopia...which was the holy land of the people of Kemet. Since the two oldest writings in the world, now called sebillian 1&2 can't be decyphered, there's obviously a lot of history and speculation that we must weave together. I believe and according to Dr. Yosef Ben Yochannan, the oldest known Creator is called GODDESS BES.

    There is more, but this is enough for now.

    Love ya

    Keita Otiba Kenyatta
     
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    Peace, Brother Kenyatta. The following is from the link I have provided below:

    It is unfortunate that little is known about the period from 40,000 - 17,000 BC. However, it is easy to draw conclusions based on earlier and later events. The growing barrenness of the Sahara would obviously cause many of the settlements to die of starvation, and once again survival of the human race in this area depended on the Nile. Naturally, some industries would survive and new ones would be created. These new industries show many similar trends, especially that of the miniaturization of tools, possibly as a desire to conserve resources. Most of the data about this period in time comes from the famous site of Kom Ombo. Kom Ombo is located on the east bank of the Nile in the southern area of Upper Egypt. Archaeologists know that this site is from the Upper Paleolithic because of the existence of "burins," small, stubby, pointed tools made of flakes and characterized by long, narrow flakes forming a point. The discovery of burins in Egyptian archaeological sites prompted Edmund Vignard, the discoverer of Kom Ombo, to label it a new industry: the Sebilian.

    Sebilian tools are manufactured from diorite, a hard, black, igneous rock that was plentiful in the area. The Sebilian industry is divided into three distinct stages, based on the artifacts created and the techniques used to make them. Sebilian I, also called Lower Sebilian, is essentially a modified Levallois industry with retouched points and the first burins (small, knobby points). Sebilian II and III are true microblade and burin industries, and by this time diorite had given way to the more durable and workable flint. But even with these developments, Sebilian artifacts appear technologically conservative and backward when compared with some of the Upper Paleolithic industries in Europe.

    http://www.crystalinks.com/egyptgods.html

    In all due respect to Dr. Ben, according to the link below Bes was a guardian god of Egypt; a dwarf-god, grotesque in appearance and benign in nature. A god of a far different order from the serene and poised figures of the official pantheon. He was a plump, bandy-legged, hairy, rude dwarf with a wicked gleam in his pop-eyes. His tongue resolutely stuck out at the follies of mankind. Bes was a foreign god, an import from the land of Punt (Libya). He was a swaggering, jolly, mock-gallant pigmy, fond of music and clumsy, inelegant dancing...

    He was a popular proletarian god who was adopted by the middle classes; he was considered a tutelary god of childbirth and, strangely enough, of cosmetics and female adornments. Bes chased away demons of the night and guarded men from dangerous animals. His image was carved on bedpost, bringing a touch of coarses geniality into the boudoir. He eventually became a protector of the dead and, amazingly, competed with even the refined and magnificent god Osiris for the attentions of men. Bes' only clothing appears to have been a leopard skin tied round his shoulders and an ostrich feather stuck in his uncombed hair...

    http://www.touregypt.net/ebph3.htm
     
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    From the Egyptian Book of the Dead:

    “God is one and alone, and none other existeth with Him – God is the One, the One who hath made all things – God is a spirit, a hidden spirit, the spirit of spirits, the great spirit of the Egyptians, the Divine spirit – God is from the beginning, and He hath been from the beginning. He hath existed from old and was when nothing else had being. He existed when nothing else existed, and what existeth He created after He had come into being.

    He is the Father of beginnings – God is the Eternal One, He is eternal and infinite and endureth forever, and yes – God is hidden and no man knoweth His form. No man hath been able to seek out His likeness; He is hidden to the gods and men, and He is a mystery unto His creatures. No man knoweth how to know Him – His name remaineth hidden; His name is a mystery unto His children. His names are innumerable; they are manifold and none knoweth their number – God is truth and He feedeth thereon. He is the king of truth, and He hath established the Earth thereupon – God is life and through Him only man liveth.

    He giveth life to man, He breatheth the breath of life into his nostrils – God is father and mother, the father of fathers and the mother of mothers. He begetteth, but was never begotten; He produceth, but was never produced; He begat himself and produced himself. He createth, but was never created; He is the maker of His own form and the fashioner of His own body - God Himself is existence, He endureth without increase or diminution, He multiplieth Himself millions of times, and He is manifold in forms and in numbers – God hath made the Universe, and He created all that therein is; He is the Creator of what is in this world, and of what was, of what is, and of what shall be.

    He is the Creator of the Heavens, and of the Earth, and of the deep, and of the water, and of the mountains. God hath stretched out the Heavens and founded the Earth – what His heart conceived straightway came to pass, and when He hath spoken, it cometh to pass and endureth forever – God is the father of the gods; He fashioned men and formed the gods – God is merciful unto those who reverence Him, and He heareth him that calleth upon Him. God knoweth him that acknowledges Him; He rewardeth him that serveth Him, and He protecteth him that followeth Him.”

    ("The Egyptian Book of the Dead: The Papyrus of Ani," transliteration and translation by E.A. Wallis Budge, pp. xcii-xciii)
    I disagree. Everything in the Universe proceeds from something and is succeeded by something. That something is God, which precedes and succeeds everything. God is – when nothing else is, and God was – when nothing else was. Humans alone have developed the realization that their life was finite; that they would all die. This resulted in the development of primitive religious beliefs. Societies which relied mainly on hunting by men naturally developed hunting gods to worship. Those in which gathering was more reliable generally created vegetative goddesses. The importance of fertility in crops, in domesticated animals, in wild animals and in the tribe itself were of paramount importance to their survival. The female life-giving principle was considered divine and a great mystery. Some goddess statues still survive from this era...

    It is important to realize that many of these findings by archeologists and historians are speculative in nature. For example, the interpretation that the old European culture stressed the female as divine is largely based on the number of carvings of a female shape found from this era. Some point to the relative lack of equivalent male statues as evidence of a goddess culture. Others suggest that the female statues might have been the old European culture's equivalent of modern-day erotic photographs.

    This "old European" culture lasted for tens of thousands of years in what is now Europe. They generally lived in peace; there is a notable lack of defensive fortifications around their hamlets. As evidenced by their funeral customs, males and females appear to have had equal status. Many historians and archeologists believe that: (1) Their society was matrilineal; children took their mothers' names. (2) Life was based on a lunar (not solar) calendar. (3) Time was experienced as a repetitive cycle, not linearly as we think of it.

    Many in academia believe that the suppression of goddess-worship in Western Europe occurred a few thousand years BCE, when the Indo-Europeans invaded Europe from the East. They brought with them some of the "refinements" of modern civilization: the horse, war, belief in male Gods, exploitation of nature, knowledge of the male role in procreation, etc. Goddess-worship was gradually combined with worship of male Gods to produce a variety of Pagan religions, among the Greeks, Romans, Celts, etc. Author Leonard Shlain offers a fascinating alternative explanation. He proposed that the invention of writing "rewired the human brain, with profound consequences for culture."

    Making remarkable connections across a wide range of subjects, including brain function, anthropology, history, and religion, Shlain argues that "literacy reinforced the brain's linear, abstract, predominantly masculine left hemisphere at the expense of the holistic, iconic feminine right one. This shift upset the balance between men and women initiating the disappearance of goddesses, the abhorrence of images, and, in literacy's early stages, the decline of women's political status. Patriarchy and misogyny followed."

    Further south, as Christianity and eventually Islam evolved, the pagan religions were suppressed and the female principle was gradually driven out of religion. Women were reduced to a level inferior to men. The God, King, Priest and Father replaced the Goddess, Queen, Priestess and Mother. The role of women became restricted. A woman's testimony was not considered significant in Jewish courts; women were not allowed to speak in Christian churches; positions of authority in the church were limited to men. Young women are often portrayed in the Bible as possessions of their fathers. After marriage, they are generally viewed as possessions of their husbands. Jesus rejected a millennia of religious tradition by treating women as equals. Women played a major role in the early Christian church. Later, epistle writers who wrote in the name of Paul started the process of suppressing women once more.

    A feminine presence was added to Christianity by the Council of Ephesus in 431 AD, when the Virgin Mary was named "Theotokos" (Mother of God). But her role was heavily restricted and included none of the fertility component present in pagan religions. A low point in the fortunes of women was reached during the very late Middle Ages, when many tens of thousands of suspected female witches (and a smaller proportion of males) were exterminated by burning and hanging over a 300-year interval. Today, respect for the "Virgin Mary" as a submissive mother is widespread, particularly in Roman Catholicism...
     
  4. Aqil

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    What is the source of your information? According to genetic science the normal female chromosome pattern is XX, and the normal male pattern is XY.
    According to the renowned numerologist and occultist Cheiro:

    0 is the number of God. It has no beginning, no end. It may be joined but never allows penetration. All life comes from the zero...and will rejoin the zero, the sum total of life and death. The zero is the God-force - the number of God.

    1 is the number of man...
    2 is the number of woman...
    3 is the number of creation...

    4 is the number of the Universe, representing the four quadrants of the Heavens. It is the number of Islam. It is the number of the square and the base of the pyramid. The number 4 also represents the complete cycle of life and death...beginning with (1) conception, (2) birth, (3) life and (4) death...

    5 is the number of religion...the combination of woman (2) and creation (3)...

    6 is the number of procreation, represented symbolically by the 6-point star, or the "Star of David." It symbolizes the male-female element coming together to generate the Cosmos. The upright triangle of the 6-point star represents the male element - the inverted triangle represents the female element. The word "sex" is derived from the six...

    7 is the number of spirituality...
    8 is the number of equilibrium...
    9 is the number of Nature...
    10 is the most perfect number; the number of God and man together...

    (Btw, the letter "G" is the 7th letter of the English alphabet, which was derived from the Greek alphabet.)
     
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    Mikyia wo (Greetings) Kenyatta and Aqil,

    A couple of observations. The "Egyptian Book of the Dead" is definitely not the oldest set of texts coming out of Kamit. There is a difference between what are commonly called coffin texts, pyramid texts, the book of the dead, etc. Many writers (especially the first "egyptologists") lumped many of the different kinds of texts together and called them all versions of the "book of the dead". This is inaccurate. Today that mistake is usually no longer made. Nevertheless, these "scholars" made this mistake with the pyramid texts over a century ago. The pyramid texts are the oldest extant texts laying out the cosmology of our Ancestresses and Ancestors in Kamit. The "book of the dead" came later.

    From the very beginning, and anyone who has reviewed the pyramid texts will see this, there was/is always the balance of male and female. In other words, the Supreme Being was always recognized and experienced----and continues to be recognized and experienced----by Afurakanu/Afuraitkaitnut (Africans) as Two Halves of The Divine Whole. The Great God and Great Goddess. [This is true in ancient Kamit and in contemporary Afuraka/Afuraitkait (Africa)] You will find the names of Amen and Amenet (God and Goddess) in the earliest texts (pyramid texts) of Kamit. Amen/Amenet together function as One Divine Unit---the Supreme "Being".

    In the temples of Khemmenu (Hermopolis) as well as Ta Apet (Thebes) you will find Amen and Amenet again. You will hear such terminology as the "cosmology of Hermopolis" the "cosmology of Thebes" the "cosmology of Heliopolis" which is erroneous, as europeans believed that these were "competing" cosmologies. In reality, each "cosmology" was an aspect of our knowledge and all were/are in harmony with one another.

    When Amen and Amenet are mentioned in Khemmenu (Hermopolis) as part of the Ogdoad (primordial Eight Deities responsible for the creation of the Universe) you'll find them with 3 other pairs of Deities:

    Nnu and Nnut (Nanu and Nanut)
    Kek and Keket (also called Ka and Kait)
    Heh and Hehet

    Each primordial pair is one male God and one female Goddess.

    The primordial blackness from which Creation becomes is manifest through the God Kek and the Goddess Keket (Ka and Kait). I.e., the primordial blackness is not a feminine principle---it is the balance of male/female--Two Spirits/Divinities functioning together as One.

    Amen and Amenet's names literally mean "hidden", "concealed". Amen and Amenet are the Great Hidden Father and Mother of Creation. The Great Hidden Being.

    Now the quote from Aqil (inside *****):


    From the Egyptian Book of the Dead:

    **************“God is one and alone, and none other existeth with Him – God is the One, the One who hath made all things – God is a spirit, a hidden spirit, the spirit of spirits, the great spirit of the Egyptians, the Divine spirit – God is from the beginning, and He hath been from the beginning. He hath existed from old and was when nothing else had being. He existed when nothing else existed, and what existeth He created after He had come into being.

    He is the Father of beginnings – God is the Eternal One, He is eternal and infinite and endureth forever, and yes – God is hidden and no man knoweth His form. No man hath been able to seek out His likeness; He is hidden to the gods and men, and He is a mystery unto His creatures. No man knoweth how to know Him – His name remaineth hidden; His name is a mystery unto His children. His names are innumerable; they are manifold and none knoweth their number – God is truth and He feedeth thereon. He is the king of truth, and He hath established the Earth thereupon – God is life and through Him only man liveth.

    He giveth life to man, He breatheth the breath of life into his nostrils – God is father and mother, the father of fathers and the mother of mothers. He begetteth, but was never begotten; He produceth, but was never produced; He begat himself and produced himself. He createth, but was never created; He is the maker of His own form and the fashioner of His own body - God Himself is existence, He endureth without increase or diminution, He multiplieth Himself millions of times, and He is manifold in forms and in numbers – God hath made the Universe, and He created all that therein is; He is the Creator of what is in this world, and of what was, of what is, and of what shall be.

    He is the Creator of the Heavens, and of the Earth, and of the deep, and of the water, and of the mountains. God hath stretched out the Heavens and founded the Earth – what His heart conceived straightway came to pass, and when He hath spoken, it cometh to pass and endureth forever – God is the father of the gods; He fashioned men and formed the gods – God is merciful unto those who reverence Him, and He heareth him that calleth upon Him. God knoweth him that acknowledges Him; He rewardeth him that serveth Him, and He protecteth him that followeth Him.”

    ("The Egyptian Book of the Dead: The Papyrus of Ani," transliteration and translation by E.A. Wallis Budge, pp. xcii-xciii)*********************

    This is not a quote from the "book of the dead". The late egyptologist Dr. Brugsch took a number of quotes from texts of all ages in Kamit and put them all together to produce the quote above. Dr. E. Wallis Budge reprinted this collage of quotes. Dr. Brugsch was attempting to prove what he believed was indo-european-style monotheism in egypt. He mistranslated a number of references and threw them together to "prove" his point. He also hid identical references to female Deities.

    For example, you will read "God is One". The term in Kamit being referred to is "UA" (One). What is hidden by Brugsch, but is well known today, is that many Gods and Goddesses use this epithet in the texts of Kamit in all periods. Ra is called Ua (One). Ptah is called Ua/One. Hapi is called Ua/One. Ausar is called Ua/One. The Goddess Neith is called Ua/One. The Goddess Mut is called Ua/One. This can go on. The sentiment is similar in english when brothas say, "you 'da man" "you are THE Man". We are not saying that this man is the only man in existence. We're saying that he is the man/chief in/of a particular situation. The same sentiment ran through this epithet when applied to Deities (Goddesses and Gods) in Kamit, as well as today, as those of us who practice Afurakani/Afuraitkaitnit (African) Ancestral Religion (be it Akan, Yoruba, Ewe, Igbo, etc.) continue to use such metaphors when referring to the Deities (Male and Female). After all, Akan, Ewe, Yoruba, Igbo, etc. cultures and languages are direct descendants of Kamit and Keneset (Nubia). We still worship the same Deities, many by the exact same names, as we did in ancient times.

    Finally, Bes is a God, the head of a pantheon. He is One of the Children of the Supreme Being---Amen/Amenet but He was never considered the Supreme Being. Many misconceptions about him are taken from Gerald Massey's work.

    Also, Afurakanu/Afuraitkaitnut (Africans) including those of Kamit and Keneset never had what the whites and their offspring did with respect to patriarchy/patrilinealism, nor did we have absolute matriarchies. One term that was created by Oba T'Shaka is "Twinlineal". He uses that term because he wanted to describe our societal structures more accurately. See his "Return to the African Mother Principle of Male-Female Equality".

    The stories about fights between patriarchy and matriarchy; the cult of Ausar (Osiris) vs. the cult of Ra, etc. are absolutely false. These conflicts were manufactured in the minds of european egyptologists, who couldn't understand the multiplicity of Divinities in Afurakani/Afuraitkaitnit (African) Ancestral Culture.

    The concept of monotheism, a great male deity who is alone, etc. is nothing more than the product of the inferior mind of the european.


    Ma asomdwoee-Hetep (Peace),
    Ra Nehem

     
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    Peace Brother Ra Nehem...and once again thank you for your enlightening discourse. I would like to respond to your following statement:
    Yes, you are correct. Although the passage I quoted is contained in The Egyptian Book of the Dead, it comes from its lengthy introduction. The quoted passage in my thread comes from a chapter in the introduction titled, "Ideas of God." The chapter before the quoted passage begins on p.xci, and it reads as follows:

    "From the attributes of God set forth in Egyptian texts of all periods, Dr. Brugsch, de Rouge, and other eminent Egyptologists have come to the opinion that the dwellers of the Nile Valley - from the earliest times - knew and worshipped one God, nameless, incomprehensible, and external. In 1860 de Rouge wrote: 'The unity of a supreme and self-existing being, his eternity, his almightiness, and external reproduction thereby as God; the attributing of the creation of the world and of all living beings to this supreme God; the immortality of the soul, completed by the dogma of punishments and rewards: such is the sublime and persistent base which, not withstanding all deviations and all mythological embellishments, must secure for the beliefs of the ancient Egyptians a most honorable place among the religions of antiquity.'

    Nine years later he developed this view, and discussed the difficulty of reconciling the belief in the unity of God with the polytheism that existed in Egypt from the earliest times, and he repeated his convictions that the Egyptians believed in a self-existent God who was One Being; who had created man, and who had endowed him with an immortal soul. In fact, de Rouge amplifies that Champollion-Figaec (relying on his brother's information) wrote in 1869: 'The Egyptian religion is a pure monotheism, which manifested itself externally by a symbolic polytheism.'

    M. Pierret adopts the view that the texts show us that the Egyptians believed in One infinite and eternal God who was without a second, and he repeats Champollion's dictum. But the most recent supporter of the monotheistic theory is Dr. Brugsch, who has collected a number of striking passages from the text. From these passages we may select the following:

    'God is one and alone, and none other existeth with Him – God is the One, the One who hath made all things – God is a spirit, a hidden spirit, the spirit of spirits, the great spirit of the Egyptians, the Divine spirit – God is from the beginning, and He hath been from the beginning. He hath existed from old and was when nothing else had being. He existed when nothing else existed, and what existeth He created after He had come into being.

    He is the Father of beginnings – God is the Eternal One, He is eternal and infinite and endureth forever, and yes – God is hidden and no man knoweth His form. No man hath been able to seek out His likeness; He is hidden to the gods and men, and He is a mystery unto His creatures. No man knoweth how to know Him – His name remaineth hidden; His name is a mystery unto His children. His names are innumerable; they are manifold and none knoweth their number – God is truth and He feedeth thereon. He is the king of truth, and He hath established the Earth thereupon – God is life and through Him only man liveth.

    He giveth life to man, He breatheth the breath of life into his nostrils – God is father and mother, the father of fathers and the mother of mothers. He begetteth, but was never begotten; He produceth, but was never produced; He begat himself and produced himself. He createth, but was never created; He is the maker of His own form and the fashioner of His own body - God Himself is existence, He endureth without increase or diminution, He multiplieth Himself millions of times, and He is manifold in forms and in numbers – God hath made the Universe, and He created all that therein is; He is the Creator of what is in this world, and of what was, of what is, and of what shall be.

    He is the Creator of the Heavens, and of the Earth, and of the deep, and of the water, and of the mountains. God hath stretched out the Heavens and founded the Earth – what His heart conceived straightway came to pass, and when He hath spoken, it cometh to pass and endureth forever – God is the father of the gods; He fashioned men and formed the gods – God is merciful unto those who reverence Him, and He heareth him that calleth upon Him. God knoweth him that acknowledges Him; He rewardeth him that serveth Him, and He protecteth him that followeth Him.'"


    "The Egyptian Book of the Dead: The Papyrus of Ani," transliteration and translation by E.A. Wallis Budge, pp. xcii-xciii.

    "Because, however, polytheism existed side by side with monotheism in Egypt, M. Maspero believes that the words 'God One' do not mean 'One God' in our sense of the words; and Mr. Renouf thinks that the 'Egyptian nutar never became a proper name.' Whether polytheism grew from monetheism in Egypt, or monotheism from polytheism, we will not venture to say, for the evidence of the pyramid texts shows that already in the Vth Dynasty monotheism and polytheism were flourishing side by side. The opinion of Tiele is that the religion of Egypt was from the beginning polytheistic, but that it developed in two opposite directions: in the one direction gods were multiplied by the addition of local gods, and in the other the Egyptians drew nearer and nearer to monotheism." (Ibid. pp.xcii-xciii)

    Dr. Cheik Anta Diop states the following in his great book, Civilization or Barbarism:

    "A third component of Egyptian cosmogony is, historically speaking, at the origin of the revealed religions (the Judeo-Christian in particular). In fact, Re is, in the history of religious thought, the first God, autogenous (who was not created; who has neither father nor mother).

    On the other hand, Seth, jealous because he is sterile, kills his brother Osiris (who symbolized vegetation - from the discovery of agriculture to the Neolithic period). The latter rises from the dead to save humanity (from famine!). Osiris is the god of redemption.

    In any case, Osiris is the god who, 3,000 years before Christ, dies and rises from the dead to save men. He is humanity's god of redemption; he ascends to Heaven to sit at the right hand of his father, the great god, Re. He is the son of God. In The Book of the Dead, it is said 1,500 years before Christ: 'This is the flesh itself of Osiris.'

    Doniysus, Osiris's replica in the northern Mediterranean, will say 500 years before Christ: 'Drink, this is my blood; eat, this is my flesh.' And one can see how the degradation of these types of beliefs can lead to the notion of the sorcerer who eats people in Black Africa.

    Egyptian cosmogony also states: 'I was one; I became three'; this notion of trinity permeates all of Egyptian religious thought, and is found again in the multiple divine triads such as Osiris-Isis-Horus, or Re, in the morning, at noon, at night.

    The term 'Christ' is not an Indo-European root. It came from the Pharaonic Egyptian expression, 'kher sheheta': 'he who watches over the mysteries,' and was applied to the divinities - Osiris, Anubis, etc. It was applied to Jesus only in the 4th century, by religious contamination. A ray from Heaven descends upon the heifer (symbol of Hathor), who then 'begets' the god Apis: without any possible doubt that this is the prefiguration of the immaculate conception of the Blessed Virgin."

    (Cheik Anta Diop, "Civilization or Barbarism," 1981, Lawrence Books, p.312)

    Hotep.
     
  7. Ra Nehem

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    Mikyia wo (Greetings) Aqil,

    I have the same book that you are referring to. What I stated about Dr. Brugsch also applies to the "egyptologists" Maspero, Pierret and other of that time period. Even european "egyptologists" today admit that their forerunners (including Dr. Breasted and Budge) continuously attempted to force their mindset onto what our Ancestresses and Ancestors were thinking, thereby mistranslating what is in the texts. There are numerous examples of this. I mentioned the mistranslation of "UA" meaning "One". There are also the mistranslations of the notion of "Not born of any"...."alone". These very epithets were also applied to the ancient Goddesses----which these crackas knew about, yet dismissed. The Goddess Mut (meaning "Mother") Who is the "Wife of Amen" is also described as "One" and "Not born of any".

    They also mistranslate metutu (hieroglyphs) that represent androgyny or are gender neutral as "He". The term Neter [Ntr] (ntoro in Twi-Akan) is the general term for "God". It can mean the Great God (Amen) or any male children of the Great God and Goddess. I.e., Ausar is a Neter, Ptah is a Neter, etc. Yet, the term Netert means Goddess. It has always been used in Kamit and Keneset from the earliest times. It can refer to the Great Goddess (Amenet) or any female children of the Great God and Goddess. I.e., Auset is a Netert, Sekhmet is a Netert, etc.

    The Goddesses and Gods (Children of the Great God and Goddess--Amen/Amenet) collectively are called Neteru.

    The european "egyptologists" were to biased to recognize or conceive of the fact that we have always, from the earliest times up until this very hour recognized the Great Mother and Great Father as Two Distinct Entities Who function as One Divine Unit. (Mawu and Lisa in Ewe, Nyamewaa and Nyame in Akan, Komosu and Chukwu in Igbo, etc.)

    Dr. Diop has been known to reveal bias as well. He was a Muslim. Many scholars have questioned his views on various subjects when his religious beliefs interfered with the facts. We are nevertheless most grateful to him for proving (through anthropology, archaeology and molecular biology) that the people of ancient Kamit and Keneset were our people.

    An example of his bias is when he states, "the moors were arabs". In Golden Age of the Moors, Dr. Van Sertima and others refute this claim at length.

    You quoted Dr. Diop's statements regarding Ra. From the earliest times, even in the most ancient presentation of the cosmology in Kamit--the pyramid texts--you will not only find Ra. You will find Rait (Rah-ette, also spelled Rat) right next to Him. Ra and Rait are again Two Halves of a Divine Whole. They are the Great Spirit of the Supreme Being. Rait had temples all over Kamit from the earliest times. The europeans glossed over Her because of their bias towards patriarchy, but the people of Kamit did not. They honored Her regularly for thousands of years. The same goes with Amenet and Her numerous temples in Kamit.

    Dr. Diop doesn't mention Rait, yet Her name appears in the documents he is quoting from. This is part of the religious bias. He also makes the mistake of citing Ausar and Auset as representing Adam and Eve. Many people have read that Adam comes from Adm or 'dm and it has been translated as "reddish" or "ruddy" or something connected. This is because the name Adam (Adm) is a corruption of the name of the God/Neter Atem (spelled Atm or Tm/Temu/Tem) in Kamit. Atem (Atm/Atum/Tem) is portrayed as a power operating through the solar orb as the Sun is setting. When the Sun becomes RED at sunset, Atum's Spirit is said to be operating therein. "I am Khepera in His rising, Ra at Noontide and Atem in the evening".

    Atem and Ausar are Two separate and distinct entities that Dr. Diop confounded. Many scholars today know better. But this is just an example of how his religious bias influenced what he would leave out of his translations of texts.

    Finally, Ra and Rat are still worshipped today---by the same names---in many Afurakani/Afuraitkaitnit (African) cultures. The 'r' in Ra and Rait is a rolling 'r'. Ra with a rolling 'r' and Da sounds identical when pronounced. This is why the Ewe people (in Togo, Benin, Ghana) who practice the state religion--Vodoun (Voodoo) honor Da and Huelousou Da (Da and the wife of Da----Ra and the wife of Rat, the 't' sounding silent). They still have priests and priestesses of Ra/Da and Rait in Ewe performing the same rituals, using the same symbolism as we did in ancient times (e.g. the serpent with the tail in It's mouth).

    We must look at the source texts and the actual languages and cultural practices of Kamit, or else we will succumb to the biases of christian, jewish, muslim interpretations of our Ancestral wisdom which will always be skewed. The pyramid texts, coffin texts, pert em heru (book of the dead) and the various stelea, temple inscriptions, etc. can be viewed by any of us. We must go to the sources. We will also find that the derivative cultures (including languages) of Keneset and Kamit today (Akan, Ewe, Yoruba, Igbo, Dogon, Bambara, Goromantche, Zulu, etc.) are still practicing our same Ancestral Religion which has continued, unbroken for over 42,000 years.

    Ma asomdwoee-Hetep (Peace),
    Ra Nehem

     
  8. Aqil

    Aqil Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Peace Brother Ra Nehem...and thank you for the clarifications. In re: to your following statement:
    What is quite evident is the fact that there are many common misrepresentations of the divinities in Egypt. In your commmentary you say, "Yet the term 'Netert' means 'Goddess.'" In relation to that I found this dialogue quite interesting, as it lists and explains several of the misrepresentations:

    Egyptians had a confused religious system with an indefinite number of neteru (gods/goddesses).

    There are an indefinite number of divinities (neteru), because the Divine has an endless number of aspects/attributes.

    There were "minor and major neteru" (gods/goddesses).

    A neter/netert (god/goddess) may have a minor role under certain conditions, however that does not make the neter/netert (god/goddess) minor. Neteru (gods/goddesses) are the forces of nature, and no one force is superior to others. A certain natural force can be more prominent, depending on the time and place of its action. For example, the heat of the sun has a major role on a midsummer day, and a minor role on a cloudy/rainy/snowy midwinter day.

    A neter/netert (god/goddess) may have contradictory aspects.

    "Contradictory aspects" can be interrelated. Take for example the aspect of motherhood, as represented by a netert (goddess). A mother can be tender and can be ferocious, depending on the circumstances. These are not contradictory qualities. Normally, a mother will be tender to her child, but if her child is threatened, she becomes ferocious and will attack the outside threat.

    A neter (god) may be represented in different forms or shapes.

    The nature of neter/netert (god/goddess) may vary under changing conditions. In human terms, the nature of water is present in different forms: as a vapor in humid air; as a liquid in rain; and as a solid in an ice cube.

    There were always power struggles between the different "cult centers."

    There were neither "political/religious struggles" nor "cult centers" in ancient Egypt. Western academic egyptologists - who claim such nonsense - are projecting the history of the church onto the ancient Egyptian history. The neteru (gods/goddesses) have complementary functions to each other. Since each neter/netert (god/goddess) represents a function, he/she can be found in any temple/tomb/text. A neter/netert may have a prominent (but never exclusive) role at any temple. All temples were of equal importance, and the Egyptian Pharaohs performed the ritual services throughout Egypt at all the temples.

    The Egyptians gave a neter/netert (god/goddess) different names.

    Names in ancient Egypt were not just labels. A name was like a short resume or synopsis of the principle. For example, the neter (god) Re is described in the Unas Funerary (Pyramid) Texts: "They cause thee to come into being as Re, in his name of Khepri." Khepri is not just another label/name for Re...Khepri means "coming into being."

    There was a shift in power among the neteru (gods/goddesses), associated with "historical events."

    The neteru (gods/goddesses) are the forces of nature. There are cyclical variations in nature. Therefore, some neteru (gods/goddesses) were more prominent than others in certain times, not because of "political shift," but because of a shift in the zodiac ages.

    Egyptians categorized these neteru (gods/goddesses) into popular and sacred, local and regional, cosmic, universal, major, minor, ...etc.

    This is totally unfounded. Neteru (gods/goddesses) represent the different energies/powers that act and interact in the creation and maintenance of the Universe. Each situation determines which neter/netert (god/goddess) has a major or minor role.

    Egypt went through an "evolution" of religious beliefs, where the nature of the neteru (gods/goddesses) changed over the centuries; they intermingled with outsiders' beliefs, assimilating some divinities (gods/goddesses), but also creating new ones.

    This is sheer nonsense, fabricated by western academic egyptologists, who ignore the facts of the time. ALL early historians of the Greek and Roman times confirmed that the Egyptians are remarkably traditionalist to a fault. For example, Herodotus (5th century BC) stated in The Histories - Book Two, section 79, "The Egyptians keep to their native customs and never adopt any from abroad." In Book Two, section 91, Herodotus states, "The Egyptians are unwilling to adopt Greek customs, or, to speak generally, those of any other country."

    What are your opinions on this?
     
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    Mikyia wo Aqil,

    There is truth to excerpt you posted, but only if the author of the excerpt understands that the Neteru (Goddesses and Gods/Children of the Great God and Great Goddes) are not only forces in Nature but Divine Conscious Spiritual Entities functioning through Nature. In other words, the Deities(Neteru/Abosom/Orisha/Arusi) are Conscious, living, thinking Beings that wield Divine Power in Creation just as we are conscious, living, thinking beings that weild power in creation, albeit to a much, much lesser extent.

    I mention this because "metaphysicians" who are non-Afurakani/Afuraitkaitnit (African) don't have a relationship with the Deities. Since they can't experience and interact with these Beings like we can, the whites and their offspring reduce the Deities to "principles", "functions", "representations", i.e., "symbolic manifestations". They have never experienced direct communication with the Deities in order to verify The reality of Their existence as Conscious living Beings Whom existed in Creation before humans (Afurakanu/Afuraitkaitnut[Africans]) were created.

    Ma asomdwoee-Hetep,
    Ra Nehem

     
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    Wow!

    It's a lot to digest; but this is an informative thread!

    In so few posts, this covered a lot of ground!